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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 17 2012 23:35 GMT
#801
On March 18 2012 08:29 Cassel_Castle wrote:
Doesn't make too much sense to me, just let players play whatever games they want and the sponsors will follow. Seems a bit cynical to say which games players and leagues should play in the name of esports.

KesPa is really the only one forcing people to not play SC2 , blizzard wasnt stopping anyone from playing SC2 if flash wanted to he could wait out his contract and join IM

only thing blizz did is prevent KeSpa from using SC2 in tournaments since KespA and Blizzard have usch a bad history
goding
Profile Joined March 2012
22 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 23:39:45
March 17 2012 23:37 GMT
#802
On March 18 2012 08:35 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 08:29 Cassel_Castle wrote:
Doesn't make too much sense to me, just let players play whatever games they want and the sponsors will follow. Seems a bit cynical to say which games players and leagues should play in the name of esports.

KesPa is really the only one forcing people to not play SC2 , blizzard wasnt stopping anyone from playing SC2 if flash wanted to he could wait out his contract and join IM

only thing blizz did is prevent KeSpa from using SC2 in tournaments since KespA and Blizzard have usch a bad history

KeSPA prevented OGN and MBCGame from having SC2 tournament. But players were free to leave their BW team to play SC2
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 23:41:51
March 17 2012 23:40 GMT
#803
On March 18 2012 08:37 goding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 08:35 Forikorder wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:29 Cassel_Castle wrote:
Doesn't make too much sense to me, just let players play whatever games they want and the sponsors will follow. Seems a bit cynical to say which games players and leagues should play in the name of esports.

KesPa is really the only one forcing people to not play SC2 , blizzard wasnt stopping anyone from playing SC2 if flash wanted to he could wait out his contract and join IM

only thing blizz did is prevent KeSpa from using SC2 in tournaments since KespA and Blizzard have usch a bad history

KeSPA prevented OGN and MBCGame from having SC2 tournament. But players were free to leave their BW to play SC2

That's basically the same thing though. They were saying the players could go and play a game without any history, structure or regulations and so without any guarantee they could make a living as a progamer off of it. The players that had something to lose wouldn't switch, of course.
Celestia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico376 Posts
March 17 2012 23:41 GMT
#804
SC2 IS CRAP! This is a sad, sad, day for E-sports /BW fanboy Troll.

User was warned for this post
goding
Profile Joined March 2012
22 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 23:45:26
March 17 2012 23:43 GMT
#805
On March 18 2012 08:40 howLiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 08:37 goding wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:35 Forikorder wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:29 Cassel_Castle wrote:
Doesn't make too much sense to me, just let players play whatever games they want and the sponsors will follow. Seems a bit cynical to say which games players and leagues should play in the name of esports.

KesPa is really the only one forcing people to not play SC2 , blizzard wasnt stopping anyone from playing SC2 if flash wanted to he could wait out his contract and join IM

only thing blizz did is prevent KeSpa from using SC2 in tournaments since KespA and Blizzard have usch a bad history

KeSPA prevented OGN and MBCGame from having SC2 tournament. But players were free to leave their BW to play SC2

That's basically the same thing though. They were saying the players could go and play a game without any history, structure or regulations and so without any guarantee they could make a living as a progamer off of it. The ones with something to lose wouldn't switch, of course.

How is it same thing? KeSPA didnt stop anyone from going to SC2. It was the players choice to either stay and earn a salary or leave and take a risk in SC2 where KeSPA had nocontrol over
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
March 17 2012 23:44 GMT
#806
On March 18 2012 08:43 goding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 08:40 howLiN wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:37 goding wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:35 Forikorder wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:29 Cassel_Castle wrote:
Doesn't make too much sense to me, just let players play whatever games they want and the sponsors will follow. Seems a bit cynical to say which games players and leagues should play in the name of esports.

KesPa is really the only one forcing people to not play SC2 , blizzard wasnt stopping anyone from playing SC2 if flash wanted to he could wait out his contract and join IM

only thing blizz did is prevent KeSpa from using SC2 in tournaments since KespA and Blizzard have usch a bad history

KeSPA prevented OGN and MBCGame from having SC2 tournament. But players were free to leave their BW to play SC2

That's basically the same thing though. They were saying the players could go and play a game without any history, structure or regulations and so without any guarantee they could make a living as a progamer off of it. The ones with something to lose wouldn't switch, of course.

How is it same thing? KeSPA didnt stop anything from going to SC2. It was the players choice to either stay or leave

I explained to you why I think it's basically the same thing, you can go and read it again.
goding
Profile Joined March 2012
22 Posts
March 17 2012 23:47 GMT
#807
On March 18 2012 08:44 howLiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 08:43 goding wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:40 howLiN wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:37 goding wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:35 Forikorder wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:29 Cassel_Castle wrote:
Doesn't make too much sense to me, just let players play whatever games they want and the sponsors will follow. Seems a bit cynical to say which games players and leagues should play in the name of esports.

KesPa is really the only one forcing people to not play SC2 , blizzard wasnt stopping anyone from playing SC2 if flash wanted to he could wait out his contract and join IM

only thing blizz did is prevent KeSpa from using SC2 in tournaments since KespA and Blizzard have usch a bad history

KeSPA prevented OGN and MBCGame from having SC2 tournament. But players were free to leave their BW to play SC2

That's basically the same thing though. They were saying the players could go and play a game without any history, structure or regulations and so without any guarantee they could make a living as a progamer off of it. The ones with something to lose wouldn't switch, of course.

How is it same thing? KeSPA didnt stop anything from going to SC2. It was the players choice to either stay or leave

I explained to you why I think it's basically the same thing, you can go and read it again.

So basically because KeSPA does not pay them when they are obviously playing non Kespa supported game it forces them to stay?
cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
March 17 2012 23:50 GMT
#808
On March 18 2012 08:37 goding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 08:35 Forikorder wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:29 Cassel_Castle wrote:
Doesn't make too much sense to me, just let players play whatever games they want and the sponsors will follow. Seems a bit cynical to say which games players and leagues should play in the name of esports.

KesPa is really the only one forcing people to not play SC2 , blizzard wasnt stopping anyone from playing SC2 if flash wanted to he could wait out his contract and join IM

only thing blizz did is prevent KeSpa from using SC2 in tournaments since KespA and Blizzard have usch a bad history

KeSPA prevented OGN and MBCGame from having SC2 tournament. But players were free to leave their BW team to play SC2


Kespa did revoke progamer licenses when people switched over. I remember Nada had his progamer status canceled and couldn't participate in Kespa events for 3 years.
Slayers Forever! Rip. :( - Not the eSports organizer, that's CableStarcraft.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
March 17 2012 23:52 GMT
#809
On March 18 2012 08:50 cablesc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 08:37 goding wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:35 Forikorder wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:29 Cassel_Castle wrote:
Doesn't make too much sense to me, just let players play whatever games they want and the sponsors will follow. Seems a bit cynical to say which games players and leagues should play in the name of esports.

KesPa is really the only one forcing people to not play SC2 , blizzard wasnt stopping anyone from playing SC2 if flash wanted to he could wait out his contract and join IM

only thing blizz did is prevent KeSpa from using SC2 in tournaments since KespA and Blizzard have usch a bad history

KeSPA prevented OGN and MBCGame from having SC2 tournament. But players were free to leave their BW team to play SC2


Kespa did revoke progamer licenses when people switched over. I remember Nada had his progamer status canceled and couldn't participate in Kespa events for 3 years.

source?
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
March 17 2012 23:52 GMT
#810
On March 18 2012 08:50 cablesc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 08:37 goding wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:35 Forikorder wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:29 Cassel_Castle wrote:
Doesn't make too much sense to me, just let players play whatever games they want and the sponsors will follow. Seems a bit cynical to say which games players and leagues should play in the name of esports.

KesPa is really the only one forcing people to not play SC2 , blizzard wasnt stopping anyone from playing SC2 if flash wanted to he could wait out his contract and join IM

only thing blizz did is prevent KeSpa from using SC2 in tournaments since KespA and Blizzard have usch a bad history

KeSPA prevented OGN and MBCGame from having SC2 tournament. But players were free to leave their BW team to play SC2


Kespa did revoke progamer licenses when people switched over. I remember Nada had his progamer status canceled and couldn't participate in Kespa events for 3 years.

wrong. look up guemchi.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
March 17 2012 23:53 GMT
#811
interesting that LoL is taking over a completely different genre, that would be like cs people fearing starcraft2 will take over their game.
As a sponsor i would think twice if i would want to invest into a game that is free 2 play, rendering alot of the audience useless for most products.
And if every sponsor would go after numbers no one would actually care about rts games, as rts games compared to other genres have a small playerbase.
Of course competition is bad for grabbing sponsors though. But personally i don't fear a game that has to be mainly sponsored by the creator over such a long time. Especially knowing what games are coming in the near future.
cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
March 17 2012 23:54 GMT
#812
On March 18 2012 08:52 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 08:50 cablesc wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:37 goding wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:35 Forikorder wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:29 Cassel_Castle wrote:
Doesn't make too much sense to me, just let players play whatever games they want and the sponsors will follow. Seems a bit cynical to say which games players and leagues should play in the name of esports.

KesPa is really the only one forcing people to not play SC2 , blizzard wasnt stopping anyone from playing SC2 if flash wanted to he could wait out his contract and join IM

only thing blizz did is prevent KeSpa from using SC2 in tournaments since KespA and Blizzard have usch a bad history

KeSPA prevented OGN and MBCGame from having SC2 tournament. But players were free to leave their BW team to play SC2


Kespa did revoke progamer licenses when people switched over. I remember Nada had his progamer status canceled and couldn't participate in Kespa events for 3 years.

source?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=158344

I think I remember some similar comments that Boxer made but I can't find the thread now.
Slayers Forever! Rip. :( - Not the eSports organizer, that's CableStarcraft.
BrosephBrostar
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States445 Posts
March 17 2012 23:58 GMT
#813
I wish OGN would steal Tasteless from GOM and have him cast BW again.
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
March 18 2012 00:06 GMT
#814
oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god... hopefully this will also see OGN reaching out to non koreans as much as GomTv has.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
March 18 2012 00:12 GMT
#815
On March 18 2012 07:59 branflakes14 wrote:
I can't see this ending well to be honest, Starcraft 2 just never took off.

Most think it has, what with the large amount of tournaments and such.

Don't be cynical. I'll just sit here and hope that whatever happens it's good for all of us.

Also, I don't really know why there is BW vs Sc2 going on in here..it's unfounded
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howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
March 18 2012 00:15 GMT
#816
On March 18 2012 08:47 goding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 08:44 howLiN wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:43 goding wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:40 howLiN wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:37 goding wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:35 Forikorder wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:29 Cassel_Castle wrote:
Doesn't make too much sense to me, just let players play whatever games they want and the sponsors will follow. Seems a bit cynical to say which games players and leagues should play in the name of esports.

KesPa is really the only one forcing people to not play SC2 , blizzard wasnt stopping anyone from playing SC2 if flash wanted to he could wait out his contract and join IM

only thing blizz did is prevent KeSpa from using SC2 in tournaments since KespA and Blizzard have usch a bad history

KeSPA prevented OGN and MBCGame from having SC2 tournament. But players were free to leave their BW to play SC2

That's basically the same thing though. They were saying the players could go and play a game without any history, structure or regulations and so without any guarantee they could make a living as a progamer off of it. The ones with something to lose wouldn't switch, of course.

How is it same thing? KeSPA didnt stop anything from going to SC2. It was the players choice to either stay or leave

I explained to you why I think it's basically the same thing, you can go and read it again.

So basically because KeSPA does not pay them when they are obviously playing non Kespa supported game it forces them to stay?

...No, what I'm saying is that by KeSPA not picking up SC2 they were essentially making BW the only sustainable game on a professional level, at least while SC2 didn't build its own scene. It doesn't matter whether KeSPA forbid players to leave or not, for the time being BW was the place to be if you wanted to make a living as a progamer. That's why I said only players with not that much to lose switched over, because the ones with something to lose didn't have any reason to make the switch, and still don't, because KeSPA is still the most successful and sustainable organization in competitive gaming.
bellz
Profile Joined June 2010
United States20 Posts
March 18 2012 00:24 GMT
#817
Some price competition with GOM will be nice -_-
-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
March 18 2012 00:25 GMT
#818
On March 18 2012 08:58 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I wish OGN would steal Tasteless from GOM and have him cast BW again.


He would never do that, because he doesn't live in a cave and realizes starcraft 2 is the future.
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
March 18 2012 00:31 GMT
#819
On March 18 2012 08:53 FeyFey wrote:
interesting that LoL is taking over a completely different genre, that would be like cs people fearing starcraft2 will take over their game.
As a sponsor i would think twice if i would want to invest into a game that is free 2 play, rendering alot of the audience useless for most products.
And if every sponsor would go after numbers no one would actually care about rts games, as rts games compared to other genres have a small playerbase.
Of course competition is bad for grabbing sponsors though. But personally i don't fear a game that has to be mainly sponsored by the creator over such a long time. Especially knowing what games are coming in the near future.

Thats actually what have happened. CS 1.6 is on a really heavy decline right now and this year will most likely be the last year of competition. Not that many tournaments with the game anymore and the few tournaments that still has the game don't put any focus on it because it doesn't attract sponsors or that much viewers any longer and therefore a shitty prize pool.

Sponsors like Intel, AMD and other PC companies put their money into SC2 instead because it attract alot of viewers and they can advertise their new GFX and processors that make a difference in a game like sc2, not so much in CS 1.6 since you can play it on like any PC out there today that is still alive.

And more and more pillar profiles in that community have retired recently and some teams have cut their CS division or is going to in the near future already. Teams just don't profit enough by paying salaries and shipping 5 guys around the world for almost no money to win.

And now when 2012 seems to be the year of League of Legends CS will get even less attention. CS would have died soon enough anyway but Sc2 2011 gave it a big fat push over the edge alright.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
BrosephBrostar
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States445 Posts
March 18 2012 00:39 GMT
#820
On March 18 2012 09:25 AegiS_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 08:58 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I wish OGN would steal Tasteless from GOM and have him cast BW again.


He would never do that, because he doesn't live in a cave and realizes starcraft 2 is the future.


Don't a lot of OGN commentators do multiple games? He could do both.
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