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Mike Morhaime "SC2 Proleague will open this year" - Page 39

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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
March 17 2012 22:28 GMT
#761
On March 18 2012 07:24 Linwelin wrote:
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On March 18 2012 07:22 snailz wrote:
its so sickening to read frustrated "bw diehards" aka loud-mouthed brat minority terorizing the 95% of other people on TL with their "opinions" - creating artifical but very noticable hatred/rivalry between "two" games and their respective communities - over and over again.

because they can, because "their" game was first, and because they were the TL that was. today's TL, for better and worse (mostly worse), wouldnt exist in this form and popularity without SC2. sorry.

i love broodwar, there are broodwar fans that love wings of liberty, so get fucking over it already, it is getting old. (pun intended)


Sc2 fans are not that much better you know


They are just as bad. -__-

So much cluelessness in this thread.
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
March 17 2012 22:29 GMT
#762
On March 18 2012 07:24 Linwelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 07:22 snailz wrote:
its so sickening to read frustrated "bw diehards" aka loud-mouthed brat minority terorizing the 95% of other people on TL with their "opinions" - creating artifical but very noticable hatred/rivalry between "two" games and their respective communities - over and over again.

because they can, because "their" game was first, and because they were the TL that was. today's TL, for better and worse (mostly worse), wouldnt exist in this form and popularity without SC2. sorry.

i love broodwar, there are broodwar fans that love wings of liberty, so get fucking over it already, it is getting old. (pun intended)


Sc2 fans are not that much better you know


i know, but the oldies and goldies should be pillars of this community (notice how i dont make distinction between the two), weeding out the provoking idiots that go "flash in sc2? omgzzz", not flaming with them. let alone inciting the flame first.

...
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
March 17 2012 22:30 GMT
#763
On March 18 2012 07:20 fabiano wrote:
I think it that IF players like Flash switch over, EVERYONE will be dissappointed because as much as Flash is an awesome player, I bet SC2 would crop all the skill difference between a god and a common pro player and Flash would be just another good pro.

I wholeheartedly hope that SKT, KT and co. only send their B-teamers to SC2, that should be enough to be a tip top SC2 team.


I think that the difference between BW top dogs who switch over (and other really good SC2 players) and "normal" SC2 pros will be quite noticeable - but there will never be an SC2 bonjwa. I can see long win streaks, though.
KTY
discomatt
Profile Joined March 2012
113 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 22:33:59
March 17 2012 22:31 GMT
#764
On March 18 2012 07:20 fabiano wrote:
I think it that IF players like Flash switch over, EVERYONE will be dissappointed because as much as Flash is an awesome player, I bet SC2 would crop all the skill difference between a god and a common pro player and Flash would be just another good pro.


Oversimplifying. In SC2, like most RTS games, more mirco means that it takes less army supply to achieve the same task. With less APM needed to macro, micro potential would increase.

Saying Flash wouldn't be dramatically better than someone with less accuracy and APM than him, simply because the mechanics of the game are different, is illogical.

If a top player will make way more money playing SC:BW than SC2, they will probably play SC:BW. If the player made the same choice with opposite monetary opportunities, you could make your argument with some substance behind it.


On March 18 2012 07:20 Forikorder wrote:
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On March 18 2012 07:18 Taku wrote:
On March 18 2012 06:39 Forikorder wrote:
has anyone considered BW pros want to switch over to SC2 to make more money?

Don't BW pros make much more money than SC2 pros? The only thing is that it's harder to break into the higher levels in Korean BW.

only becuase of the big salaries they get im sure if you compared to how much flash could make cleaning up every major forieng tournament it would be a large chunk of money


His salary alone comes close to the money he'd make winning every major tourney. Why risk it?
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5532 Posts
March 17 2012 22:31 GMT
#765
On March 18 2012 07:20 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 07:18 Taku wrote:
On March 18 2012 06:39 Forikorder wrote:
has anyone considered BW pros want to switch over to SC2 to make more money?

Don't BW pros make much more money than SC2 pros? The only thing is that it's harder to break into the higher levels in Korean BW.

only becuase of the big salaries they get im sure if you compared to how much flash could make cleaning up every major forieng tournament it would be a large chunk of money

"Only" seems to trivialize how important salaries are and how lucky we are that a decade-old scene is stable with salaried players and a professional team structure, rather than the conditions the very old school had to put up with.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Taiki
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway57 Posts
March 17 2012 22:32 GMT
#766
On March 18 2012 07:21 jmbthirteen wrote:
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On March 18 2012 07:13 Taiki wrote:
On March 18 2012 07:02 jmbthirteen wrote:
On March 18 2012 06:55 Taiki wrote:
Can someone actually explain to me how KeSPA makes money? I see everyone talking doing this will make KeSPA more money because of the larger foreign audience.

I have the impression that KeSPA is tasked with finding huge sponsors for BW events like OSL hence names, for example Jin Air Starleague. These events are also sent on TV by OGN. So exactly where in this process does KeSPAs money come from?

How is gom making money? By having foreigners buy subscriptions. OGN will be able to do the same.


Why would for example SK-Telecom a Korea centric corporation sponsor SC2 like they've sponsored PL this season? If no one sponsors PL, would OGN have a turnament which people can buy subscriptions from?

I'm not saying that x or y will/not happen. I'm just throwing my thoughts out there.

why does Hot Six, a Korea centric company, sponsor the GSL?


Who knows? Does Hot Six pour so much cash into GSL that it can be called Hot Six GSL?

They don't seem to be a large company considering the only thing I find when I google them are porn sites and a wiki page doesn't even seem to exsist.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
March 17 2012 22:32 GMT
#767
On March 18 2012 07:20 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 07:18 Taku wrote:
On March 18 2012 06:39 Forikorder wrote:
has anyone considered BW pros want to switch over to SC2 to make more money?

Don't BW pros make much more money than SC2 pros? The only thing is that it's harder to break into the higher levels in Korean BW.

only becuase of the big salaries they get im sure if you compared to how much flash could make cleaning up every major forieng tournament it would be a large chunk of money

and who would send him there? dont think KT (korean company) cares that much what he does in foreigner tournaments and rather have him play in korean leagues.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
March 17 2012 22:36 GMT
#768
On March 18 2012 07:32 rasers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 07:20 Forikorder wrote:
On March 18 2012 07:18 Taku wrote:
On March 18 2012 06:39 Forikorder wrote:
has anyone considered BW pros want to switch over to SC2 to make more money?

Don't BW pros make much more money than SC2 pros? The only thing is that it's harder to break into the higher levels in Korean BW.

only becuase of the big salaries they get im sure if you compared to how much flash could make cleaning up every major forieng tournament it would be a large chunk of money

and who would send him there? dont think KT (korean company) cares that much what he does in foreigner tournaments and rather have him play in korean leagues.


Good point. KTF doesn't care about the Western market.
KTY
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 17 2012 22:48 GMT
#769
His salary alone comes close to the money he'd make winning every major tourney. Why risk it?


because he wouldnt, if the entire BW scene shifts to SC2 and his salary remains the same then all it akes from him is flying out for a couple days to tear apart a tourny, assuming he can get a couple days without a match then it wouldnt affect his results at all and hed get alot more money
discomatt
Profile Joined March 2012
113 Posts
March 17 2012 22:57 GMT
#770
On March 18 2012 07:48 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
His salary alone comes close to the money he'd make winning every major tourney. Why risk it?


because he wouldnt, if the entire BW scene shifts to SC2 and his salary remains the same then all it akes from him is flying out for a couple days to tear apart a tourny, assuming he can get a couple days without a match then it wouldnt affect his results at all and hed get alot more money


Then the argument is moot cause the switch is already made.

If you read the discussion, he's asking why Flash wouldn't switch to make more money through winning every tournament with ease. If he had the choice to switch and still keep his salary, then there'd be something to argue.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5532 Posts
March 17 2012 22:57 GMT
#771
Forikorder, your point doesn't make sense when you apply it to the group. You are saying Flash would like it if KeSPA leagues switched to SC2 because he'd have a salary along with presumably the first place prize of every tournament that exists (although this isn't 2010 anymore). In this way he'd eke out a little bit more money than he would taking his salary and winning tournaments/getting performance bonuses as he already does right now. That just wouldn't apply to the group. If Flash is winning all the tournaments, where's the extra opportunity for other players? As a group there isn't more money for them in SC2 right now. SC2 leagues are saturated with players and they have top-heavy prizes. So it might make sense for a random player to switch to SC2 alone if he doesn't feel he can cut it and wants to try a different game.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
claybones
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States244 Posts
March 17 2012 22:57 GMT
#772
On March 17 2012 15:54 Dodgin wrote:
Big news.

Not sure how I feel about this yet...I love BW but at the same time I am excited by the thought of BW players playing SC2.


I know exactly what you mean. I want to see how they would change the SC2 meta game but at the same time I want to keep watching BW because I find it more entertaining. I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too.
branflakes14
Profile Joined July 2010
2082 Posts
March 17 2012 22:59 GMT
#773
I can't see this ending well to be honest, Starcraft 2 just never took off.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
March 17 2012 22:59 GMT
#774
On March 18 2012 07:36 Xxio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 07:32 rasers wrote:
On March 18 2012 07:20 Forikorder wrote:
On March 18 2012 07:18 Taku wrote:
On March 18 2012 06:39 Forikorder wrote:
has anyone considered BW pros want to switch over to SC2 to make more money?

Don't BW pros make much more money than SC2 pros? The only thing is that it's harder to break into the higher levels in Korean BW.

only becuase of the big salaries they get im sure if you compared to how much flash could make cleaning up every major forieng tournament it would be a large chunk of money

and who would send him there? dont think KT (korean company) cares that much what he does in foreigner tournaments and rather have him play in korean leagues.


Good point. KTF doesn't care about the Western market.


If there was demand for Flash to play outside of Korea, I think it would reach the point that it would be foolish for any team to say no to him going.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
March 17 2012 23:04 GMT
#775
On March 18 2012 06:14 Grampz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 06:08 Anyx wrote:
History, part 1 : BW is mechnically and strategically deep game. But there is a offspring : Starcraft 2. Starcraft 2 is huge simplifield on every level and on every aspect of the game. BW is replaced by SC2.
SC2 fan reaction : It is good, we do not want it complicated !!!

History, part 2 : LoL is overtaking over SC2. LoL is huge simplifield on every level and aspect of the game, compared to SC2.
SC2 fan reaction : It is not good, because it is simple !!!

Both parts of the history are basically the same. I just do not get, why SC2 fans are mad only about the part 2... they should be mad at both parts.

Because Sc2 is the SUCCESSOR to starcraft brood war. Brood war fans need to embrace this. Need to. LoL is going to take over brood war AND sc2 if not. What would you rather see? SC2 can only continue to get better, As it has shown. People need to give it a chance. And they will.

i dont need to embrace crap. you esports zealots are off your rocker. i like bw therefore i play and watch bw. end of story.
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
March 17 2012 23:10 GMT
#776
On March 18 2012 07:30 Xxio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 07:20 fabiano wrote:
I think it that IF players like Flash switch over, EVERYONE will be dissappointed because as much as Flash is an awesome player, I bet SC2 would crop all the skill difference between a god and a common pro player and Flash would be just another good pro.

I wholeheartedly hope that SKT, KT and co. only send their B-teamers to SC2, that should be enough to be a tip top SC2 team.


I think that the difference between BW top dogs who switch over (and other really good SC2 players) and "normal" SC2 pros will be quite noticeable - but there will never be an SC2 bonjwa. I can see long win streaks, though.


Pretty big statement that there will never be an SC2 Bonjwa. Dont agree with you but i can see why people have a hard time imaging it.
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
March 17 2012 23:13 GMT
#777
OSL champion vs. GSL champion
Pro League champs vs. GSTL champs

We'll call it "The Super Ultimate Grand Finals of Destiny Clash for the Universe Championship"
nicotn
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands186 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 23:18:06
March 17 2012 23:14 GMT
#778
On March 18 2012 07:36 Xxio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 07:32 rasers wrote:
On March 18 2012 07:20 Forikorder wrote:
On March 18 2012 07:18 Taku wrote:
On March 18 2012 06:39 Forikorder wrote:
has anyone considered BW pros want to switch over to SC2 to make more money?

Don't BW pros make much more money than SC2 pros? The only thing is that it's harder to break into the higher levels in Korean BW.

only becuase of the big salaries they get im sure if you compared to how much flash could make cleaning up every major forieng tournament it would be a large chunk of money

and who would send him there? dont think KT (korean company) cares that much what he does in foreigner tournaments and rather have him play in korean leagues.


Good point. KTF doesn't care about the Western market.


But they do care about money. Also how do you know if they do or don't have interest in? Do you work for them? Are you their ceo? Nope, so stop assuming stuff.
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
March 17 2012 23:16 GMT
#779
would good players play and I can watch?

Ok then awesome!
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
March 17 2012 23:16 GMT
#780
Current state of the game let alone the different tournament structures, tournaments, etc.? Bloody unlikely. There is no unification whatsoever.

Good thing Blizzard has two expansions to go to get it right, but there are other persistent problems out there too.
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