• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 22:36
CET 04:36
KST 12:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation12Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
Zerg is losing its identity in StarCraft 2 Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ What happened to TvZ on Retro? SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Clair Obscur - Expedition 33
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2012 users

MLG raises $11.3m in additional funding - Page 8

Forum Index > SC2 General
349 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 18 Next All
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
March 14 2012 00:07 GMT
#141
And yet Sundance will still say they don't make enough money the moment they charge for something else.
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
March 14 2012 00:12 GMT
#142
Of that 11.3 million, I wonder how much is from event/PPV revenue..
sLBoGoRoH
Profile Joined January 2012
Netherlands126 Posts
March 14 2012 00:14 GMT
#143
Glad to see esports growing
CableSCES
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States367 Posts
March 14 2012 00:18 GMT
#144
Glad to see MLG will continue on. Their gauntlet championship competitions have continued to be the most hyped events, especially for BarCrafts, which can only continue to help eSports grow bigger and bigger -- so I hope they stay successful.

I hope the Arenas continue to be successful as well, considering that they've announced 2 more before Anaheim. It can only serve to add more revenue to the eSports river.
Saving SoCal eSports one sponsor at a time: MSI, JINX, Tt eSPORTS, HyperX, Red Bull ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Biggun69
Profile Joined December 2010
187 Posts
March 14 2012 00:20 GMT
#145
Drug money?
HejaBVB
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany125 Posts
March 14 2012 00:22 GMT
#146
On March 14 2012 03:40 Josh_rakoons wrote:
This is awesome in every respect... Glad to see PPV worked out.


The money doesn't comes from the PPV, lolz!
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 00:31:20
March 14 2012 00:29 GMT
#147
On March 14 2012 09:07 Assirra wrote:
And yet Sundance will still say they don't make enough money the moment they charge for something else.


They didn't make any money, this isn't income, this is equity investment.

Theoretically an equity investment shouldn't have any impact on their bottom line, so if they weren't making enough money before, then they aren't now.



Well, from a Finance perspective, Weighted Average Cost of Capital = Debt portion * Weight + Required Return for Equity Investors * Weight. I don't believe the Market Debt / Equity ratio has changed (not looking at Book Value here) so the WACC, required return for the company, should be the same.
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
March 14 2012 00:30 GMT
#148
Wouldn't this influx of investor money have been considered when budgeting the 2012 season? These new higher prize pools and payed flights were probably done while expecting this influx. I don't think this is just money falling from the sky.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
March 14 2012 00:32 GMT
#149
On March 14 2012 09:30 SiguR wrote:
Wouldn't this influx of investor money have been considered when budgeting the 2012 season? These new higher prize pools and payed flights were probably done while expecting this influx. I don't think this is just money falling from the sky.


This isn't free money to give away, theoretically equity investments are infrastructure support payments that should help MLG be able to market itself better, improve operations, etc. that will help grow the business. I'm not sure increasing prize pools will be a worthwhile investment unless MLG thinks it will attract bigger names / sponsors.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 14 2012 00:39 GMT
#150
On March 14 2012 09:22 HejaBVB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 03:40 Josh_rakoons wrote:
This is awesome in every respect... Glad to see PPV worked out.


The money doesn't comes from the PPV, lolz!

Its not money brought in from the PPV, but the successful PPV could very well be why they received more money from investors who like that a sustainable tournament was ran.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
March 14 2012 00:41 GMT
#151
On March 14 2012 09:29 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 09:07 Assirra wrote:
And yet Sundance will still say they don't make enough money the moment they charge for something else.


They didn't make any money, this isn't income, this is equity investment.

Theoretically an equity investment shouldn't have any impact on their bottom line, so if they weren't making enough money before, then they aren't now.



Well, from a Finance perspective, Weighted Average Cost of Capital = Debt portion * Weight + Required Return for Equity Investors * Weight. I don't believe the Market Debt / Equity ratio has changed (not looking at Book Value here) so the WACC, required return for the company, should be the same.

I doubt you get investor's if the situation was as dire as Sundance makes it sound.
Either that or he has to best way to convince people ever.
Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
March 14 2012 00:43 GMT
#152
On March 14 2012 09:41 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 09:29 FairForever wrote:
On March 14 2012 09:07 Assirra wrote:
And yet Sundance will still say they don't make enough money the moment they charge for something else.


They didn't make any money, this isn't income, this is equity investment.

Theoretically an equity investment shouldn't have any impact on their bottom line, so if they weren't making enough money before, then they aren't now.



Well, from a Finance perspective, Weighted Average Cost of Capital = Debt portion * Weight + Required Return for Equity Investors * Weight. I don't believe the Market Debt / Equity ratio has changed (not looking at Book Value here) so the WACC, required return for the company, should be the same.

I doubt you get investor's if the situation was as dire as Sundance makes it sound.
Either that or he has to best way to convince people ever.


Investor says "you are negative for the financial year (which ends this month i believe, financial quarters are weird). Get positive by the end of it or we won't invest in you anymore"

That is a dire situation. If they don't go positive -> no investment -> company fails. I doubt it was that serious but people investing now doesn't mean it wasn't serious before.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 14 2012 00:48 GMT
#153
I don't know about this. It seems like having to give up equity in exchange for cash based off of a new model that was only just implemented is a little risky. Yes it worked and congrats but it certainly doesn't speak to the stability of the industry. Yes, they managed to get more funding but VCs are not going to throw away an investment that doesn't look terrible. They have already invested a lot and the presence of remaining shares suggests that it was probably current investors who stumped up more cash.

It would be great news if the funding was for something specific, such as a torunament setup or a specific playing venue or something concrete. If it just for normal cash flow, that's worrying. We can't really know without looking at the financials and the only people with access to this are those that invested. So overall I guess we should be happy, I just have this nagging feeling that they are getting pressured to produce which suggests an underlying fragility.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
mlspmatt
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada404 Posts
March 14 2012 00:53 GMT
#154
This is financing right? Not revenue?
Spaceneil8
Profile Joined February 2011
United States317 Posts
March 14 2012 00:54 GMT
#155
On March 14 2012 04:38 legaton wrote:
Sundance must sell a hell of a pitch, because it is hard to believe he's still able to secure more money for MLG. Since 2006, they have secured 67,6 millions in just 6 years!

2012-03-12 - equity + options - 11 300 698 dollars
2011-11-23 - debt + option -2 500 000 dollars
2011-08-12 - debt + option - 3 083 328
2010-12-30 - equity - 3 333 353 dollars
2009-08-31 - equity - 3 499 995 dollars
2008-12-31 - equity + option - 7 500 000 dollars
2007-06-18 - equity - 1 400 000 dollars
2006-11-20 - equity - 25 000 000 dollars
2006-07-31 - equity - 10 000 000 dollars

They have invested 11 millions per year for a generated revenue of what, 5 to 25 millions dollars?

It's 5 to 25 million per year, not total.
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
March 14 2012 00:54 GMT
#156
my 20$ seems worthless now ...
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
March 14 2012 00:56 GMT
#157
On March 14 2012 09:53 mlspmatt wrote:
This is financing right? Not revenue?


That's the scary part. What exactly do they need an extra 11million for? Nothing wrong with capital raising if you are planning on expanding something but if it goes to operational expenses, then we have a problem.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 01:02:23
March 14 2012 01:00 GMT
#158
On March 14 2012 09:48 Probulous wrote:
I don't know about this. It seems like having to give up equity in exchange for cash based off of a new model that was only just implemented is a little risky. Yes it worked and congrats but it certainly doesn't speak to the stability of the industry. Yes, they managed to get more funding but VCs are not going to throw away an investment that doesn't look terrible. They have already invested a lot and the presence of remaining shares suggests that it was probably current investors who stumped up more cash.

It would be great news if the funding was for something specific, such as a torunament setup or a specific playing venue or something concrete. If it just for normal cash flow, that's worrying. We can't really know without looking at the financials and the only people with access to this are those that invested. So overall I guess we should be happy, I just have this nagging feeling that they are getting pressured to produce which suggests an underlying fragility.

For sure MLG is being pressured to produce, but then again, they set up those expectations themselves of how quickly they think e-sports can grow and more importantly how much money it can generate.

But the money isn't invested for anything concrete. That's why investors give money to managers. They're trusting MLG to set up tournaments and venues that are more attractive and bring in more people, and in turn they will look at the financials later on in the year and make that judgment for themselves.

I don't think it's "good" or "bad" that MLG gave up stock in the company. It only matters how those board members use their power. If they focus MLG on profitability, then yes, some things will probably make you unhappy - things will cost more, players and consumers will get less, etc. But certainly you might prefer MLG to have a longer life than to go out in a blaze of generous glory where they give everything to the players and fans for nothing and then go bust.
vVvParadise
Profile Joined August 2010
United States43 Posts
March 14 2012 01:00 GMT
#159
We're actually about to talk about this and other topics on The Loser's Bracket podcast. Going to talk about MLG funding and the SEC filings behind it. We'd love everyone to join in.... if you'd like to, we'll be on the vVv Gaming Twitch TV channel.
Twitter: www.twitter.com/vVvParadise
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
March 14 2012 01:00 GMT
#160
On March 14 2012 09:07 Assirra wrote:
And yet Sundance will still say they don't make enough money the moment they charge for something else.


This is VC....
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 18 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
20:30
Best Games of SC
Serral vs Clem
Solar vs Cure
Serral vs Clem
Reynor vs GuMiho
herO vs Cure
PiGStarcraft513
LiquipediaDiscussion
OSC
19:00
Masters Cup #150: Group B
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft513
SpeCial 173
trigger 10
StarCraft: Brood War
yabsab 102
NaDa 91
Sexy 74
Noble 38
Icarus 3
Dota 2
monkeys_forever284
NeuroSwarm75
LuMiX0
Counter-Strike
fl0m2094
Other Games
summit1g12082
JimRising 438
Fuzer 121
ViBE107
Mew2King76
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick556
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Freeedom4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21849
Other Games
• Scarra854
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6h 24m
RSL Revival
6h 24m
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
8h 24m
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs TBD
WardiTV Korean Royale
8h 24m
BSL 21
16h 24m
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
16h 24m
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
19h 24m
Wardi Open
1d 8h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 13h
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL: GosuLeague
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
BSL: GosuLeague
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.