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gnatinator
Canada169 Posts
It means MLG will be giving up more control to outside investors for short-term cash. This isn't the first time. MLG is stuck in an endless circle of dependence on Venture Capitalist money. The layoffs and handling of the PPV is because of MLG's dependence on VC's. MLG will continue to liquidate community goodwill, because they aren't in control anymore. | ||
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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
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babybell
776 Posts
On March 14 2012 06:40 divito wrote: Lots of reasons; Riot is pretty much very involved in that community and supporting it. And the structure behind the community is vastly different. LoL doesn't have a lot of structure that an SC2/BW community has. The other reason is based on the flavour-of-the-month issue. Compared to SC2 (and BW if you'd like), what RTS choices are there? Now, what about MOBA choices? If I'm an investor, I want something that doesn't have competition and that isn't likely to disappear. The BW (and you could even include WC3 and older RTS games) and SC2 communities have longevity and structure where newer MOBA games have smaller amounts of both. What does it matter if Riot is behind the LoL community, if it continues supporting it what difference does it make in practice? And why are the long term effects of focusing on a game as a tournament organizer so important? I don't understand how damaging it would be for MLG to raise the publicizing, prize pool and stream quality for LoL and once Dota 2 goes into full swing, drop it entirely. | ||
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divito
Canada1213 Posts
On March 14 2012 06:51 Abrafred wrote: What does it matter if Riot is behind the LoL community, if it continues supporting it what difference does it make in practice? Depends. Primarily, it's not necessarily a bad thing; I probably shouldn't have made it sound as such. It would take a lot to explain either way. On March 14 2012 06:51 Abrafred wrote: And why are the long term effects of focusing on a game as a tournament organizer so important? Because my, or anyone's, company places value in the money used for sponsorship or investment and what we can get in return. As a brand, we want to form a long-term bond with the fans and our potential customers. When I was writing articles and news for eSports, I had the chance to speak with a lot of companies and their marketing, PR and a few other departments (depending on their size). And every single one of them had a fundamental reason as to why they weren't in eSports; the turnover was too high. Now what does that mean? Essentially, "turnover being too high" meant that games supported by organizations changed too frequently, they thought the demographic was unstable (though recent trends and research show this being eliminated or at least being alleviated), and they had little faith in some of the organizations and people that were running the show. Now, as an eSports supporter, I obviously thought there were some issues with a few pieces of their reasoning, but from a business perspective, I completely understood their rationale and can't fault them at all; it would not have been sound business decisions to get involved. It's something that a lot of companies do monitor, especially nowadays with the aspects of Youtube and "going viral." But there are plenty of hurdles we still have if we want to attract bigger companies, money and bigger exposure. But there are also those that like the niche-like aspect that eSports or competitive gaming occupies. | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
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funbooth
10 Posts
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
On March 14 2012 07:34 funbooth wrote: Now if only they offered a free stream too I wouldn't feel bad about supporting them. I would be paying 50$ per event if they were offering a free option for people, no free stream is a giant pet peeve of mine, not everyone has the means to take part in PPV. They offer a free stream for the winter championship. | ||
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funbooth
10 Posts
On March 14 2012 07:40 RageBot wrote: They offer a free stream for the winter championship. I was reffering to the arena that just happened, I haven't been following Sc2 much since then sadly. | ||
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Hnnngg
United States1101 Posts
On March 14 2012 07:42 funbooth wrote: I was reffering to the arena that just happened, I haven't been following Sc2 much since then sadly. Well guess what? You can watch the VODs free and everybody who was at the arena is seeded at the winter championship. | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
It's pretty good news, imo. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6313 Posts
On March 14 2012 06:25 Myles wrote: I'm pretty skeptical about any public statement regarding the event. There's every reason in the world for them to put out positive press. On the other hand, outside investment is about as concrete as it gets bar seeing the actual financial statement that I assume the investors saw. venture capital is a very risky business though so the investors expect to take big hits and catch it up with a few golden companies that make up for everything. Add to that that there are little real economical experts in the e-sports world and they might just have gotten a totally skewed view of the amount of potential growth and how much MLG can profit from it. It's good news that there are companies willing to invest sure but people have to be careful in seeing this as just a good thing. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On March 14 2012 06:09 feanor1 wrote: Still quite important to add that those numbers are for the event as a whole, and so include their other games, not just SC2. They even had LoL, which seems to bring quite a lot more online viewers for now, for some reason.You are confused Um MLG had 241k concurrent. That means 241k watching simultaneously. I not sure how many uniques. Yes they get 4 times amount of Homestory cup across all their games with the majority being SCII So I still would be hesitant to conclude that MLG gets significantly more SC2 viewers than any other major event. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On March 14 2012 03:39 Kyir wrote: Any chance Sundance will stop doomsaying now? Probably not because it makes him money  | ||
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Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
On March 14 2012 08:31 figq wrote: Still quite important to add that those numbers are for the event as a whole, and so include their other games, not just SC2. They even had LoL, which seems to bring quite a lot more online viewers for now, for some reason. So I still would be hesitant to conclude that MLG gets significantly more SC2 viewers than any other major event. They didn't have LoL, technical problems mean the games were not streamed at all. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:40 Rimstalker wrote: This is from personal experience? Working for a IT Startup in the US that was looking into VC capital, I can only say that in our case, it was very, very difficult, and in the end, the VC company we got the furthest with turned us down because of one board member being not convinced. How much money did you need? Where were you located? How many Silicon Valley reporters did you get to write positive reviews of your future product, for which you secretly paid them in products/money? How similar is your product to something that IPOed and threw of wads of cash for the first VC in? How many white Americans did you have vs 'other' category? Is your CEO a pure technical expert or is he also a good salesman? Working in a field that periodically serves the people who run VCs as far as I can tell its a blind crapshoot when VCs make investments but in general there are oceans of dollars desperate for a place to put them into. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On March 14 2012 08:36 Soleron wrote: Didn't know about that, but still probably the LoL fans were refreshing streams hoping it would be fixed or something. The shooters also bring non-negligible numbers.They didn't have LoL, technical problems mean the games were not streamed at all. And just as a side argument, suppose MLG was bringing significantly more SC2 viewers than any other SC2 event - why would that be? Are there really that many people who would watch MLG and not watch other SC2 events? Why would they do that? Hm. | ||
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CPTBadAss
United States594 Posts
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
It's cool they have this investment, and I hope they use it wisely and look at a long term investment in something that can grow and provide year on year profits, rather than something to milk while it's fresh and then dump when something newer and shinier appears. | ||
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