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On March 13 2012 23:16 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 23:05 Roblin wrote:On March 13 2012 22:00 Jibba wrote:On March 13 2012 17:04 Roblin wrote:On March 13 2012 16:25 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 16:21 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On March 13 2012 16:08 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 16:00 Assirra wrote:On March 13 2012 15:55 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 15:45 Assirra wrote:
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So what reaction do you want out of people exactly?
Improvements are being made and you want everyone to be mad?
That doesn't make much sense now does it. Nobody is happy it took so long, people are happy it will be patched at all.
Do people have to react?Does an improvement that is long overdue and simplistic, warrant such a praise? If people must react, they can express their frustration about the slow progression over something simple. Do people have to react? What kind of silly question is that? How exactly can you NOT react in some way or form? Something should go through your head when you read this, that something is what you call a reaction. Again, people aren't praising it because its this late, people are just happy it happens at all. Oh no i meant react as in posting, not the actual definition. On March 13 2012 16:00 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On March 13 2012 15:42 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 15:22 ArcLiTe wrote:
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I have a problem when I see people fall into a trap. They actually think we should be happy about this patch? This is nothing. And people go wepeeeee hurraaaay down the trap.
^This People being happy about this patch and other patches that should have been released sooner or at game release are ACTUALLY hurting esports in the long run. Think about it this way: If a significant amount of people are happy with a long overdue change, this encourages blizzard to do what they have always done; release patches that could have been released sooner, at a much later date. By showing discontent, it puts blizzard pressure to change their ways. And while im posting this i might as well post my disappointment that blizzard has not done what steam did with dota 2; incorporating LAN in a way that it doesn't hurt their sales. There's a difference with being happy with an improvement and being happy with the status quo. You're assuming that people are now just going "Hey! Now everything's fine." People aren't. People are happy that these much needed improvements are here, but - and this is key - we still want the other key improvements. No one here is saying "I'm completely satisfied." In short, the UI thread will be updated to not include the changes that Blizzard's offered, but it will still be there, and the movement will still be there. Also, people not being happy with the patch would "hurt esports" (god, do we really have to resort to this silliness of "X is hurting esports"???). If nobody was happy at all, Blizzard would see that, throw their arms up in the air and go "oh well, listening to them didn't accomplish anything, guess there's no point in doing these improvements, we might as well continue doing things just in terms of what we think gets $$$ instead of what we think these people are telling us. Of course, this is an extreme, but only running counterpoise to your extreme that you provided. But let's be real - no one here is adopting either extreme, and people, while happy with the improvement/the sign that Blizzard is listening, are not happy to the point of being satisfied. No i'm assuming people take abit of positivity out of this event but i worded the post wrong. People should be abit more aggressive on their stance. Critisizing the parts where they feel frustrated and nothing more, no compliments until these shenanigans get sorted out. All this gimmick by blizzard happened because the community let it happen ( by 'let it happen', i mean not being critical about it enough). By being aggressive as a community, it shows that we are not a pushover and want to be treated with certain level of standards. I agree that people should maintain their criticism, but I don't necessarily think these changes are due to the degree of aggressiveness. People have been feeling these sentiments since the launch of the game (perhaps even earlier, in the beta). If anything, emotion would fade over time by now, but at the very least, it doesn't make sense that people, out of any time, would be suddenly more angry now, and that this anger led to the UI thread/reddit/b.net posts. Instead, I think that the big change was due to the organization and unification of our frustration into a single and therefore far more potent movement. Those recent threads on b.net and the like. As long as we maintain the momentum behind those threads, I think we're on a good path. Ok when i say frustration, i dont mean anger, but discontent. And when i say discontent, i mean a feeling of injustice. And a feeling of injustice does not fade away over time. pity, then you will live a very, very unhappy life of feeling constantly cheated and expecting others to do everything for you. blizzard is doing what blizzard can This notion is completely absurd. It's like going to a restaurant and ordering a three course meal. The appetizer comes out sort of late, but it's ok. Unfortunately, it takes them an hour to bring you silverware so when you finally get a spoon, you're thankful for it? The reality is that people are leaving the restaurant, and many have already left. That doesn't just mean casuals. That means monobattle tournaments beat major championships. And with LoL taking over in a big way and DotA 2 on the horizon, it may not look good by the time LoV is out. You don't have to be displeased because of it, but being happy for the bare minimum isn't really rational consumer behavior when you've got other options who do everything so much better. so now, you big baby, we wait, and eventually mommy will come home from her shopping trip with some icecream, you can either take the lollipop for now or not. Blizzard does not exist in a vaccuum. We find a new game when theirs gets stale (and the type of features people are asking for are the things which promote longevity), which many people already have. Every company will always have diehards to eat up any scraps they get, but most people will just move on. Not everyone can have a Panglossian view of the world, and thankfully so.
I have to agree with jibba on this. It's quite sad really. Sc2 is by far the best game out right now (well, aside from BW but it only exists in korea) but because of blizzards greed and refusal to actually design their awful b.net 2.0 properly and support esports, it's losing out to much worse games. And I don't see things getting any better unless blizzard for some reason decides to fix b.net 2.0. It feels like it's already started, and if b.net stays the same I think SC2 will continue hemorrhaging players/viewers until there aren't enough left for sponsors to really bother with.
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Dam, I really want to be ble able to watch replay with other people.. I don't care much about the UI.
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I dont know if anyone has mentioned this - but where is my multiplayer replay games? I want to be able to view a replay without myself or a friend having to worrying about the following; Finding the replay in my saved folder, attaching it to e-mail, making sure my friend puts it in the right place, making sure we start the replay at the same time, among other things.
Talk about not seem less at all. Considering the popularity of SC2 and especially for the esports scene why have they not adopted the "replay game" option like they did in SC1? I still lol @ the casters who have to countdown to start replays at the same time. Why do they still have to do this!?! Come on Blizzard!
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On March 13 2012 23:27 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 23:16 Jibba wrote:On March 13 2012 23:05 Roblin wrote:On March 13 2012 22:00 Jibba wrote:On March 13 2012 17:04 Roblin wrote:On March 13 2012 16:25 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 16:21 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On March 13 2012 16:08 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 16:00 Assirra wrote:On March 13 2012 15:55 Cubu wrote:
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Do people have to react?Does an improvement that is long overdue and simplistic, warrant such a praise?
If people must react, they can express their frustration about the slow progression over something simple. Do people have to react? What kind of silly question is that? How exactly can you NOT react in some way or form? Something should go through your head when you read this, that something is what you call a reaction. Again, people aren't praising it because its this late, people are just happy it happens at all. Oh no i meant react as in posting, not the actual definition. On March 13 2012 16:00 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On March 13 2012 15:42 Cubu wrote:
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^This
People being happy about this patch and other patches that should have been released sooner or at game release are ACTUALLY hurting esports in the long run. Think about it this way:
If a significant amount of people are happy with a long overdue change, this encourages blizzard to do what they have always done; release patches that could have been released sooner, at a much later date.
By showing discontent, it puts blizzard pressure to change their ways.
And while im posting this i might as well post my disappointment that blizzard has not done what steam did with dota 2; incorporating LAN in a way that it doesn't hurt their sales. There's a difference with being happy with an improvement and being happy with the status quo. You're assuming that people are now just going "Hey! Now everything's fine." People aren't. People are happy that these much needed improvements are here, but - and this is key - we still want the other key improvements. No one here is saying "I'm completely satisfied." In short, the UI thread will be updated to not include the changes that Blizzard's offered, but it will still be there, and the movement will still be there. Also, people not being happy with the patch would "hurt esports" (god, do we really have to resort to this silliness of "X is hurting esports"???). If nobody was happy at all, Blizzard would see that, throw their arms up in the air and go "oh well, listening to them didn't accomplish anything, guess there's no point in doing these improvements, we might as well continue doing things just in terms of what we think gets $$$ instead of what we think these people are telling us. Of course, this is an extreme, but only running counterpoise to your extreme that you provided. But let's be real - no one here is adopting either extreme, and people, while happy with the improvement/the sign that Blizzard is listening, are not happy to the point of being satisfied. No i'm assuming people take abit of positivity out of this event but i worded the post wrong. People should be abit more aggressive on their stance. Critisizing the parts where they feel frustrated and nothing more, no compliments until these shenanigans get sorted out. All this gimmick by blizzard happened because the community let it happen ( by 'let it happen', i mean not being critical about it enough). By being aggressive as a community, it shows that we are not a pushover and want to be treated with certain level of standards. I agree that people should maintain their criticism, but I don't necessarily think these changes are due to the degree of aggressiveness. People have been feeling these sentiments since the launch of the game (perhaps even earlier, in the beta). If anything, emotion would fade over time by now, but at the very least, it doesn't make sense that people, out of any time, would be suddenly more angry now, and that this anger led to the UI thread/reddit/b.net posts. Instead, I think that the big change was due to the organization and unification of our frustration into a single and therefore far more potent movement. Those recent threads on b.net and the like. As long as we maintain the momentum behind those threads, I think we're on a good path. Ok when i say frustration, i dont mean anger, but discontent. And when i say discontent, i mean a feeling of injustice. And a feeling of injustice does not fade away over time. pity, then you will live a very, very unhappy life of feeling constantly cheated and expecting others to do everything for you. blizzard is doing what blizzard can This notion is completely absurd. It's like going to a restaurant and ordering a three course meal. The appetizer comes out sort of late, but it's ok. Unfortunately, it takes them an hour to bring you silverware so when you finally get a spoon, you're thankful for it? The reality is that people are leaving the restaurant, and many have already left. That doesn't just mean casuals. That means monobattle tournaments beat major championships. And with LoL taking over in a big way and DotA 2 on the horizon, it may not look good by the time LoV is out. You don't have to be displeased because of it, but being happy for the bare minimum isn't really rational consumer behavior when you've got other options who do everything so much better. so now, you big baby, we wait, and eventually mommy will come home from her shopping trip with some icecream, you can either take the lollipop for now or not. Blizzard does not exist in a vaccuum. We find a new game when theirs gets stale (and the type of features people are asking for are the things which promote longevity), which many people already have. Every company will always have diehards to eat up any scraps they get, but most people will just move on. Not everyone can have a Panglossian view of the world, and thankfully so. I have to agree with jibba on this. It's quite sad really. Sc2 is by far the best game out right now (well, aside from BW but it only exists in korea) but because of blizzards greed and refusal to actually design their awful b.net 2.0 properly and support esports, it's losing out to much worse games. And I don't see things getting any better unless blizzard for some reason decides to fix b.net 2.0. It feels like it's already started, and if b.net stays the same I think SC2 will continue hemorrhaging players/viewers until there aren't enough left for sponsors to really bother with.
Do an objective comparison of the UI feature sets currently offered by lol and sc2. You'll find that they're similarly deficient and people in both games are bitching about the same things.
Like it or not, the success of sc2 as an esport does not lie in bnet 2.0, but instead:
(1) Intrinsically how good of a game is sc2 in its ability to be competitive but also maintain a healthy, active casual playbase.
(2) What kind of community support springs up around both the game's strengths and missing features.
(3) How well both Blizzard and the community promote (and in particular, monetize) sc2 as an esport.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 13 2012 17:52 Roblin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 17:21 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 17:04 Roblin wrote:On March 13 2012 16:25 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 16:21 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On March 13 2012 16:08 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 16:00 Assirra wrote:On March 13 2012 15:55 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 15:45 Assirra wrote:On March 13 2012 15:42 Cubu wrote:
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^This
People being happy about this patch and other patches that should have been released sooner or at game release are ACTUALLY hurting esports in the long run. Think about it this way:
If a significant amount of people are happy with a long overdue change, this encourages blizzard to do what they have always done; release patches that could have been released sooner, at a much later date.
That is how unwanted things get changed; by showing discontent. So what reaction do you want out of people exactly? Improvements are being made and you want everyone to be mad? That doesn't make much sense now does it. Nobody is happy it took so long, people are happy it will be patched at all. Do people have to react?Does an improvement that is long overdue and simplistic, warrant such a praise? If people must react, they can express their frustration about the slow progression over something simple. Do people have to react? What kind of silly question is that? How exactly can you NOT react in some way or form? Something should go through your head when you read this, that something is what you call a reaction. Again, people aren't praising it because its this late, people are just happy it happens at all. Oh no i meant react as in posting, not the actual definition. On March 13 2012 16:00 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On March 13 2012 15:42 Cubu wrote:On March 13 2012 15:22 ArcLiTe wrote:On March 13 2012 15:12 blade55555 wrote:
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yeah you were, you were saying how disgusting it is for people to be happy with this lol. What's your problem? I have a problem when I see people fall into a trap. They actually think we should be happy about this patch? This is nothing. And people go wepeeeee hurraaaay down the trap. ^This People being happy about this patch and other patches that should have been released sooner or at game release are ACTUALLY hurting esports in the long run. Think about it this way: If a significant amount of people are happy with a long overdue change, this encourages blizzard to do what they have always done; release patches that could have been released sooner, at a much later date. By showing discontent, it puts blizzard pressure to change their ways. And while im posting this i might as well post my disappointment that blizzard has not done what steam did with dota 2; incorporating LAN in a way that it doesn't hurt their sales. There's a difference with being happy with an improvement and being happy with the status quo. You're assuming that people are now just going "Hey! Now everything's fine." People aren't. People are happy that these much needed improvements are here, but - and this is key - we still want the other key improvements. No one here is saying "I'm completely satisfied." In short, the UI thread will be updated to not include the changes that Blizzard's offered, but it will still be there, and the movement will still be there. Also, people not being happy with the patch would "hurt esports" (god, do we really have to resort to this silliness of "X is hurting esports"???). If nobody was happy at all, Blizzard would see that, throw their arms up in the air and go "oh well, listening to them didn't accomplish anything, guess there's no point in doing these improvements, we might as well continue doing things just in terms of what we think gets $$$ instead of what we think these people are telling us. Of course, this is an extreme, but only running counterpoise to your extreme that you provided. But let's be real - no one here is adopting either extreme, and people, while happy with the improvement/the sign that Blizzard is listening, are not happy to the point of being satisfied. No i'm assuming people take abit of positivity out of this event but i worded the post wrong. People should be abit more aggressive on their stance. Critisizing the parts where they feel frustrated and nothing more, no compliments until these shenanigans get sorted out. All this gimmick by blizzard happened because the community let it happen ( by 'let it happen', i mean not being critical about it enough). By being aggressive as a community, it shows that we are not a pushover and want to be treated with certain level of standards. I agree that people should maintain their criticism, but I don't necessarily think these changes are due to the degree of aggressiveness. People have been feeling these sentiments since the launch of the game (perhaps even earlier, in the beta). If anything, emotion would fade over time by now, but at the very least, it doesn't make sense that people, out of any time, would be suddenly more angry now, and that this anger led to the UI thread/reddit/b.net posts. Instead, I think that the big change was due to the organization and unification of our frustration into a single and therefore far more potent movement. Those recent threads on b.net and the like. As long as we maintain the momentum behind those threads, I think we're on a good path. Ok when i say frustration, i dont mean anger, but discontent. And when i say discontent, i mean a feeling of injustice. And a feeling of injustice does not fade away over time. pity, then you will live a very, very unhappy life of feeling constantly cheated and expecting others to do everything for you. blizzard is doing what blizzard can, unfortunately your wishes is not blizzards highest priority, go cry to mommy about it. heres a few words of wisdom that will improve your life quality overall: 1. Think about the solution, not the problem. 2. Who better to do what you want done but you? 3. There is no reason to feel unhappy, unhappiness doesn't help the situation. 4. Punishing bad behaviour will turn people against you, rewarding good behaviour will make them want to please you. 5. The only group of people whom will deliberatly try make you feel bad is trolls and angry ex's. 6. People makes mistakes, It's pretty much inevitable. 7. When people make mistakes, think about when you make mistakes, how would you want to be treated? 8. When people realise they have made a mistake, they do their best to fix it. 9. Problems take time to fix, give it time. 10. Everything is relative, even truth itself. 11. Everyone does everything for a reason. 12. Think twice before realising you needn't speak. 13. Think twice, then think once from the other persons perspective, then speak. 14. Life is not, and will never be, perfect. My wishes align with the community. I just want a bit of decency from bnet, thats all. This isnt something that i can change but blizzard can. And the things that i have a problem with are things that can easily be changed in a short time. "My wishes align with the community." 9. 10. 11. 14. who said the communities wishes is blizzards priority? if blizz spent all their time cartering to the community, what time would they have left to develop, for example, HOTS? "I just want a bit of decency from bnet, thats all." 1. 4. 6. 7. 8. 9. 11. excellent, you have presented a problem, start thinking about the solution. fine, you may wish whatever you wan't, but don't lash out on someone doing you favors. as the saying goes: "beggars cannot be choosers". patience is key, if you present something to blizzard enough, and they recognise it as a problem, they will do their best to fix it, perhaps not immiedietly though. "This isn't something that i can change but blizzard can." 5. 9. 11. blizzard wants to please you, but they also have tens of thousands of other people to please, not all of these feel the same issues as you do, remember, the majority of SC2 players are not visiting forums such as this. "And the things that i have a problem with are things that can easily be changed in a short time." 10. 13. the only way for you to know this is to have access to the source code. do you have easy access to the source code for SC2? no? then how do you know it's so easy? you don't. what if it isn't as easy as you think? what if they have other, more pressing, issues? you cannot always assume you are right, until you have seen the issue from the other side.
You have a very condescending tone in your posts, just so you know. And I don't know why you'd think your "words of wisdom" are relevant to this thread or Cubu's posts at all.
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I'm very much looking forward to the semi-lan mode, but I won't be getting my hopes up. The way it's worded, it doesn't even necessarily have to mean "LAN", but like a message that player XYZ just connected to bnet with the same IP or something.
I personally wouldn't be surprised if that's what blizzard means with "connecting" players ;-)
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You can already resize chatwindows? Nothing really new unfortunately... Just drag the corner and spread it out all over the screen, it is already possible 
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I am sadden by the lack of love for the carriers in this patch
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On March 14 2012 00:14 Flummie wrote:You can already resize chatwindows? Nothing really new unfortunately... Just drag the corner and spread it out all over the screen, it is already possible
afaik you can only resize it to a certain degree - and bnet doesn't remember the layout.
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Honestly there are two glaring issues with the chat system.
1. No channel moderation/admin powers. This one is a bit self explanatory.
2. No time stamp on chat messages. Ever see a message in a message window and not know if it was sent six hours ago or 10 seconds ago? That hinders a lot of people who want to idle in chat and respond intelligently.
It still amazes me that Blizzard can't get the chat system correctly with such great UI in BW and WC3 =(.
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A move in the right direction, but chat windows will still be inferior (as the above poster pointed out nicely).
There is still a lack of clan support, no in-client tournament system.
Hopefully the custom game changes will work out nicely though, the current custom game system is still pretty crappy.
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Clan support please. Wonder what the balance changes might be.
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Still don't think they are going far enough with chat channel stuff (we still need clan stuff!).
BUT WOW... we might seriously get some local network support for tournaments? Am I dreaming here? We sure Activision knows about this?
LAN alone would make patch 1.5 the best content patch ever.
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f*kin clan support.
That's all we're asking for :[
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Finally something intelligent regarding the current state of the game.
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On March 13 2012 03:55 Chill wrote:
Doesn't seem that big to me... You can resize chat windows to be like BNet 1.0 and they made the join game system like BNet 1.0... lol. Basically, BNet 1.0 superior in every way? :D
BNet 1.0 doesn't have Matchmaking system.:D
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People expect that one blog to cover every fucking thing they want? Sometimes people are pretty stupid. Not only their posts are negative but nothing constructive come out of it too.
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so wheres the part where we can watch replays together and have clan support?
thanks for the additions blizzard but could u please prioritise properly and sort out the bigger issues first...
Edit: and fix my fucking carriers please :D
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Here's to hoping Blizzard can bring bnet out of the latest dark-age, and add some great new features as well as custom maps awesomeness.
Definitely some balance issues need to be looked at though methinks *cough* carriers, snipe *cough*
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On March 14 2012 02:17 EmilA wrote:
Clan support please. Wonder what the balance changes might be.
On March 14 2012 03:08 ArcticRaven wrote:
f*kin clan support.
That's all we're asking for :[
Seriously. The fact that people can't even clan up, if they have used their Yearly Name Change is silly. No symbols or clan ANYTHING, is just unreal.
(still haven't used mine tho)
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