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RastaMonsta
Profile Joined October 2011
304 Posts
March 10 2012 16:05 GMT
#1201
asshole got what he deserved
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
March 10 2012 16:09 GMT
#1202
On March 11 2012 01:05 RastaMonsta wrote:
asshole got what he deserved

Not really, persay.

It's like he made a dead baby joke a year ago, and then was hired to be a daycare caretaker. The owner of the daycare center finds out he made a dead baby joke and turns out, she had a miscarriage when she was younger. She fires him on principle.

Orb, GL, I never watched anything you casted but you obviously enjoyed casting and I would be much more bitter than you sound to be to the community.
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Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
March 10 2012 16:12 GMT
#1203
On March 11 2012 01:05 RastaMonsta wrote:
asshole got what he deserved


Thanks for sharing.
Since you've made us curious now, please enlighten us, what did your asshole get?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
Disposition1989
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada270 Posts
March 10 2012 16:18 GMT
#1204
On March 11 2012 01:05 RastaMonsta wrote:
asshole got what he deserved


i think we can agree on one thing: the internet makes kittens believe they can be lions. and to whoever posted the morgan freeman clip, you win the thread
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
March 10 2012 16:23 GMT
#1205
On March 10 2012 03:17 Stropheum wrote:
Are they aware that incontrol said the word "nigger" on stream before while representing EG? He was referring to it as the word and not calling someone that specific word, but he literally said "the word 'nigger'" and nobody seemed to care. Is this a double standard, or does the context of the word ACTUALLY have an impact on the offensiveness?

I believe it was even on state of the game with destiny, day9, jp, and nony if anyone wants to dig that up in the vods


Context absolutely makes a difference. I find the word quite offensive, but I've definitely said it a handful of times. Each one of those times was in direct reference to the word itself or the quote of a song lyric (of course then there's the "nigger" vs. "nigga" argument, but no need to get into that). That's very different from using the word in a derogatory manner toward another person.
UrielSC
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada143 Posts
March 10 2012 16:32 GMT
#1206
On March 11 2012 00:57 Erasme wrote:
Starcraft brood war ? I didn't see or hear a bw caster flame or be bad mannered online.
And if you're an ass because it's online, then more power to you but I wouldnt like to play with you.


Good, because Competition is not for the faint hearted.
Instead of hundreds of white kids complaining about a black racial term
Maybe we should be focusing on getting Sc2 at least HALF the numbers of LoL and stop looking for reasons to kill the Careers of people trying to help.
Fusa
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada148 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 16:44:13
March 10 2012 16:43 GMT
#1207
On March 11 2012 01:09 Bippzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 01:05 RastaMonsta wrote:
asshole got what he deserved

Not really, persay.

It's like he made a dead baby joke a year ago, and then was hired to be a daycare caretaker. The owner of the daycare center finds out he made a dead baby joke and turns out, she had a miscarriage when she was younger. She fires him on principle.

Orb, GL, I never watched anything you casted but you obviously enjoyed casting and I would be much more bitter than you sound to be to the community.



This analogy has nothing to do with what has transpired here, (orb) would have been dealing with the public on mass. When you have personally conducted yourself on a public stream ( like a moron and a neanderthal ) these character traits, unstable"ness" and general lack of vocabulary lead to his demise as a public figure in the public.
TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
March 10 2012 16:45 GMT
#1208
I accept the apology for saying what you did.
Not for accusing the community of slander and fabrication.
Especially Total Biscuit.
Starcraft is a lifestyle.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
March 10 2012 16:54 GMT
#1209
On March 11 2012 01:45 TheTurk wrote:

Especially Total Biscuit.


what has TB got to do with this?
Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
March 10 2012 16:55 GMT
#1210
No worries mate, using that word without knowing the context of your opponents race can never be racist. I understand you have to deal with the aftermath nonetheless due to the PC bullshit these days.
Good luck to you
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 10 2012 17:08 GMT
#1211
On March 11 2012 01:09 Bippzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 01:05 RastaMonsta wrote:
asshole got what he deserved

Not really, persay.

It's like he made a dead baby joke a year ago, and then was hired to be a daycare caretaker. The owner of the daycare center finds out he made a dead baby joke and turns out, she had a miscarriage when she was younger. She fires him on principle.

Orb, GL, I never watched anything you casted but you obviously enjoyed casting and I would be much more bitter than you sound to be to the community.

no it would be like if hes in the grocery store, and the old lady in front of him is taking a really long time and he keeps yelling at her for being so slow, then he gets a job at that same grocery store and the old lady seems him and tells the manager who then fires him
0c3LoT
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada162 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 17:33:07
March 10 2012 17:29 GMT
#1212
I'm black, I don't think you're racist. Probably just prejudice.

However, the fact that you thought the word "nigger" could be used for comedic relief seems very misguided. Though I'm sure plenty of whites were laughing when they called blacks "niggers" during hangings and lynchings.

Funny thing is if you had used "nigga" I doubt people would have been as angry.
Winning is a lifestyle choice.
halfies
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom327 Posts
March 10 2012 17:39 GMT
#1213
On March 11 2012 01:54 mememolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 01:45 TheTurk wrote:

Especially Total Biscuit.


what has TB got to do with this?

also, abusing TB should surely be a positive.
0c3LoT
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada162 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 17:48:05
March 10 2012 17:40 GMT
#1214
On March 10 2012 22:06 Axe.ZerG wrote:
I really hate this whole attitude the starcraft community has... Do you really think filtering out people like orb and censoring everything about them is going to draw in more viewers and make esports bigger? Have you ever considered that maybe not everyone is interested in starcraft and enjoys watching it?

Do you enjoy watching LoL? Probably not. If their community censored out bad casters, would that make you want to watch it more? NO.

Stop trying to make esports grow by censoring everything and trying to make your community more respected... it isn't going to work. You're just making people angry because you are making everyone feel bad about every little tiny thing that they do on ladder or elsewhere. I bet you are the same people who try to control everybody else in life and have everything your way.

The only thing that tells me about you is that you are too dumb to understand why the words are offensive. It's because you keep talking about it. Stop talking about it and it is no longer a problem.

Stop talking about it. Just stop.



The thing you don't realize is that racism is an institution, not some attribute you can apply to a person, or a set of words. Let me give you an example, if someone calls me a nigger, it does not affect me at all, nor does it mean they are a racist. Now, if I go to a job interview, and someone doesn't hire me just because I'm black, THAT'S RACISM. If I'm not allowed in a certain establishment or neighbourhood because I'm black, THAT'S RACISM. You need to have some type of power in order to be racist, and the majority of people on the internet & in gaming communities using "nigger" really have very little, if any, power.

I think what Morgan said actually went way over your head. "I'm going to stop calling you a white man, and you stop calling me a black man"
Winning is a lifestyle choice.
Radiated11
Profile Joined December 2011
United States32 Posts
March 10 2012 18:06 GMT
#1215
In my opinion you don't need to apologize orb. Everybody gets angry and says things they don't mean. Any one who truly thinks that you're racist because you raged on ladder ( which I would say most people do ) clearly isn't taking time to think about this. Good luck in the future, I haven't seen much of your casting but my opinion of you sure won't be affected because of things you said on your own time while angry on the ladder.
CalBoy
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)4 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 18:27:44
March 10 2012 18:27 GMT
#1216
Oc3LoT, good point about institutional racism. I'm not black, but know a lot of black people growing up. They seem to use "Ni___r" jokingly to other people (not just other black people, either) and no one gets shit up their ass about it.
!Shikamaru
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany21 Posts
March 10 2012 20:45 GMT
#1217
Hey there Orb,
first off I've got to say, that I only know you as a caster (expecially for the Korean Weekly). I think most of us agree, that you are not to be seen as a racist. EG though cannot afford to be known for hiring, hiding or tolerating questionable sentiments. They have to get rid of everything, that legitimizes suspicion.

I know, that it's probably not going to help you, but you can be seen as something like a precedence.
I don't want to talk about the n-word here, because many people already have, but I'd like to write something on a personal note; If there is anything for you to learn from this in my opinion, then it is to see all of this in context. Some poeple here wrote, that you should start to respect others a bit more. I noticed something in your casts. You seem to be what I like to call "overconfident". You judge really harshly on minor mistakes. I see a bit of that "I don't give a shit, whether my words insult another being"-attitude in that, which showcases a sort of arrogance, that implies a certain lack of compassion. You might want to work on that.
Note: Im not writing this to insult you. I'm working on it myself.

No matter what you do, keep your head up. You are a good caster in terms of gameknowledge and comment"flow" and your apology is really impressive. You neither defended yourself too much, nor did you search for excuses. You even thanked EG for the opportunity. It takes a lot to do that. It's that kind of personality we'd like to see. The one, that can step back, that accepts other peoples wills and feelings, that asks for apology and doesn't add insult per insult to those, who felt offended in the first place. The humble one. You have proven, that you possess it. Expand its influence. For a peaceful sc2 environment.

We all seek acceptance. So why be offensive, if we don't mean it and if its easily evitable? This community has had that conversation over and over again, but I'm kind of glad, that EG took that step, although I feel sorry for you Orb, who obviously did not intentionally mean any harm, who unfortunately became a precedence here and who clearly deserves a second chance.

Hope to soon hear your voice cast some awesome sc2 again!
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end
Eiaco
Profile Joined January 2012
170 Posts
March 10 2012 20:47 GMT
#1218
On March 11 2012 01:05 RastaMonsta wrote:
asshole got what he deserved


So did you by the looks of things.

GL Orb, GL EG.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
March 10 2012 20:51 GMT
#1219
Wait it was before he joined EG even? wow way to overreact...
Xenocryst
Profile Joined December 2010
United States521 Posts
March 10 2012 20:53 GMT
#1220
Completely unacceptable. I have black family members and it is really offensive. You've done this before and it needs to change now. Even in rage the N-word is never acceptable
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