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Marcus420
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1923 Posts
March 10 2012 21:05 GMT
#1221
On March 11 2012 05:51 unkkz wrote:
Wait it was before he joined EG even? wow way to overreact...

hell, it almost seems like Reddit got jealous and THEN started making a big deal of it.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16998 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 21:08:40
March 10 2012 21:07 GMT
#1222
all these essays by EG execs and Orb and various and sundry "significant community members" and i rarely see this following point made...
which to me is the most straight forward line of thinking.

Intel gives money to EG to represent their brand.
Intel is an international company that wants to sell their product to every single human being on the entire planet.
the N-word is offensive to many black people.
any one representing Intel and using this language is harming a segment of the market Intel is attempting to sell its product to.

If EG does not do something about it you can be damn sure Intel sure will.

Intel will not allow some foul mouthed adolescent (in mind if not in body) screw up all the hard work they are doing attempting to sell their product to the world.

Its all about money.

Intel is not going to pay someone to screw up any segment of any marketplace they've worked very hard to acquire over the past 20 years.

"So you think that money is the root of all evil?" said Francisco d'Anconia. "Have you ever asked what is the root of money?

http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=7429


the small business that i own is a profit maximizing entity. i never offend my customers for emotional self absorbed reasons. i may offend them with my hourly rate or my opinion on how to solve one of their problems. but never because of the kind of silliness displayed in this incident.

Capitalism is the cure for racism.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 10 2012 21:17 GMT
#1223
On March 11 2012 06:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
all these essays by EG execs and Orb and various and sundry "significant community members" and i rarely see this following point made...
which to me is the most straight forward line of thinking.

Intel gives money to EG to represent their brand.
Intel is an international company that wants to sell their product to every single human being on the entire planet.
the N-word is offensive to many black people.
any one representing Intel and using this language is harming a segment of the market Intel is attempting to sell its product to.

If EG does not do something about it you can be damn sure Intel sure will.

Intel will not allow some foul mouthed adolescent (in mind if not in body) screw up all the hard work they are doing attempting to sell their product to the world.

Its all about money.

Intel is not going to pay someone to screw up any segment of any marketplace they've worked very hard to acquire over the past 20 years.

"So you think that money is the root of all evil?" said Francisco d'Anconia. "Have you ever asked what is the root of money?

http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=7429


the small business that i own is a profit maximizing entity. i never offend my customers for emotional self absorbed reasons. i may offend them with my hourly rate or my opinion on how to solve one of their problems. but never because of the kind of silliness displayed in this incident.

Capitalism is the cure for racism.

not to mention EGs numberous other sponsors, i mean people aparently wrote to there sponsors complaining, so while im pretty sure EG would ahve kicked orb out regardless (i believe Scoots said just that on Lo3) they probably also got some pressure from sponsors
Zurles
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom1659 Posts
March 10 2012 21:27 GMT
#1224
I really don't understand why anyone cares in the first place, it's ladder rage.. honestly.
Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
March 10 2012 21:33 GMT
#1225
On March 11 2012 06:27 Zurles wrote:
I really don't understand why anyone cares in the first place, it's ladder rage.. honestly.


/sarcasm on
CatZ said 'niger' and 'feggot' live on stream. I hope he gets kicked out of coL now.
/sarcasm off
"The way of life can be free and beautiful. But we have lost the way. " - Charlie Chaplin
RodrigoX
Profile Joined November 2009
United States645 Posts
March 10 2012 21:43 GMT
#1226
On March 11 2012 06:33 Xiron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 06:27 Zurles wrote:
I really don't understand why anyone cares in the first place, it's ladder rage.. honestly.


/sarcasm on
CatZ said 'niger' and 'feggot' live on stream. I hope he gets kicked out of coL now.
/sarcasm off


Like, there might be different levels of importance of players, and who people are. Like CatZ is a player for coL, and he is a well respected member of the community. He is not really a liability. Orb on the other hand, for such a big corporation like EG, huge liability.
We were all raised on televion that made us believe we'd all be Millionairs, Movie gods, and Rockstars..... But we won't.... We are slowly learning that fact. And we are very, very pissed off.
Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
March 10 2012 22:06 GMT
#1227
On March 11 2012 06:43 RodrigoX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 06:33 Xiron wrote:
On March 11 2012 06:27 Zurles wrote:
I really don't understand why anyone cares in the first place, it's ladder rage.. honestly.


/sarcasm on
CatZ said 'niger' and 'feggot' live on stream. I hope he gets kicked out of coL now.
/sarcasm off


Like, there might be different levels of importance of players, and who people are. Like CatZ is a player for coL, and he is a well respected member of the community. He is not really a liability. Orb on the other hand, for such a big corporation like EG, huge liability.


So sponsors like creative don't care but intel does? And what if CatZ switched to EG? Would it be a big deal then? And oh, btw, CatZ was on MLG Winter Arena, even though he makes racist comments? What's that about? MLG is not that big of a corporation I guess. Stop trolling dude.

CatZ: Nigger in front of 3000 viewers -> Nobody cares
Orb: Nigger in front of 200 viewers -> Outrage as fuck

This is ridiculous.
"The way of life can be free and beautiful. But we have lost the way. " - Charlie Chaplin
Xenocryst
Profile Joined December 2010
United States521 Posts
March 10 2012 22:13 GMT
#1228
On March 11 2012 07:06 Xiron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 06:43 RodrigoX wrote:
On March 11 2012 06:33 Xiron wrote:
On March 11 2012 06:27 Zurles wrote:
I really don't understand why anyone cares in the first place, it's ladder rage.. honestly.


/sarcasm on
CatZ said 'niger' and 'feggot' live on stream. I hope he gets kicked out of coL now.
/sarcasm off


Like, there might be different levels of importance of players, and who people are. Like CatZ is a player for coL, and he is a well respected member of the community. He is not really a liability. Orb on the other hand, for such a big corporation like EG, huge liability.


So sponsors like creative don't care but intel does? And what if CatZ switched to EG? Would it be a big deal then? And oh, btw, CatZ was on MLG Winter Arena, even though he makes racist comments? What's that about? MLG is not that big of a corporation I guess. Stop trolling dude.

CatZ: Nigger in front of 3000 viewers -> Nobody cares
Orb: Nigger in front of 200 viewers -> Outrage as fuck

This is ridiculous.

Catz shouldnt be allowed to do that either.
Adila
Profile Joined April 2010
United States874 Posts
March 10 2012 22:18 GMT
#1229
On March 11 2012 07:13 Xenocryst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 07:06 Xiron wrote:
On March 11 2012 06:43 RodrigoX wrote:
On March 11 2012 06:33 Xiron wrote:
On March 11 2012 06:27 Zurles wrote:
I really don't understand why anyone cares in the first place, it's ladder rage.. honestly.


/sarcasm on
CatZ said 'niger' and 'feggot' live on stream. I hope he gets kicked out of coL now.
/sarcasm off


Like, there might be different levels of importance of players, and who people are. Like CatZ is a player for coL, and he is a well respected member of the community. He is not really a liability. Orb on the other hand, for such a big corporation like EG, huge liability.


So sponsors like creative don't care but intel does? And what if CatZ switched to EG? Would it be a big deal then? And oh, btw, CatZ was on MLG Winter Arena, even though he makes racist comments? What's that about? MLG is not that big of a corporation I guess. Stop trolling dude.

CatZ: Nigger in front of 3000 viewers -> Nobody cares
Orb: Nigger in front of 200 viewers -> Outrage as fuck

This is ridiculous.

Catz shouldnt be allowed to do that either.


Still waiting for the self-righteous community outrage that orb received.
Spacekyod
Profile Joined December 2010
United States818 Posts
March 10 2012 22:22 GMT
#1230
Huge fan of your casting orb and i'm sorry to see you get dropped from EG. I had heard plenty of stories about your ladder rage prior to you casting the upstart Korean league ESV/ESL/ICCUP/can't recall what it was called now. But watching your casting grow from there, on to stints with Gretorp for NASL? i thought it was all in the past. Especially with the way you maintained and exuded such a professional demeanor during all of your casts. I used to watch ICCUP/ESV solely for your casting as you could offer such great insight and understanding as both a high level player and top notch caster.

I hope this doesn't keep you down and more great opportunities present themselves to you in the future. Best of luck and steady on mate!
Riders of the Plastic Groove. "When all-in fails, all-in again!" Finally... Make way for the real DONG!
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 22:25:15
March 10 2012 22:24 GMT
#1231
On March 11 2012 07:18 Adila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 07:13 Xenocryst wrote:
On March 11 2012 07:06 Xiron wrote:
On March 11 2012 06:43 RodrigoX wrote:
On March 11 2012 06:33 Xiron wrote:
On March 11 2012 06:27 Zurles wrote:
I really don't understand why anyone cares in the first place, it's ladder rage.. honestly.


/sarcasm on
CatZ said 'niger' and 'feggot' live on stream. I hope he gets kicked out of coL now.
/sarcasm off


Like, there might be different levels of importance of players, and who people are. Like CatZ is a player for coL, and he is a well respected member of the community. He is not really a liability. Orb on the other hand, for such a big corporation like EG, huge liability.


So sponsors like creative don't care but intel does? And what if CatZ switched to EG? Would it be a big deal then? And oh, btw, CatZ was on MLG Winter Arena, even though he makes racist comments? What's that about? MLG is not that big of a corporation I guess. Stop trolling dude.

CatZ: Nigger in front of 3000 viewers -> Nobody cares
Orb: Nigger in front of 200 viewers -> Outrage as fuck

This is ridiculous.

Catz shouldnt be allowed to do that either.


Still waiting for the self-righteous community outrage that orb received.


Why wait? Just do what pepsimaxibon did, start a well constructed and impartial topic (with pictures) here and spread the love.

Edit : please don't
Resistance ain't futile
Josh_rakoons
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
March 10 2012 22:25 GMT
#1232
Catz doesnt use it as a slur.. Orb clearly did.
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
March 10 2012 22:27 GMT
#1233
On March 11 2012 06:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

the N-word is offensive to many black people.
any one representing Intel and using this language is harming a segment of the market Intel is attempting to sell its product to.


im white and i find the n-word very offensive. i think eg really did the right thing, and yes, catz should get schooled if he says it too
Adila
Profile Joined April 2010
United States874 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 22:35:47
March 10 2012 22:34 GMT
#1234
On March 11 2012 07:25 Josh_rakoons wrote:
Catz doesnt use it as a slur.. Orb clearly did.


Doesn't matter according to some people in this circus.
BonG-_-
Profile Joined January 2012
United States2 Posts
March 10 2012 22:41 GMT
#1235
I am curious why when InkA was playing with EG there wasn't such swift retribution when he called Cella a gook with thousands of people watching his stream. Just think that it's a bit of a hypocritical stance for them to take.
warblob004
Profile Joined January 2011
United States198 Posts
March 10 2012 22:45 GMT
#1236
<3 Orb
"I have not failed; I've simply found 10,000 ways it won't work." ~Thomas Edison
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
March 10 2012 23:00 GMT
#1237
On March 11 2012 07:13 Xenocryst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 07:06 Xiron wrote:
On March 11 2012 06:43 RodrigoX wrote:
On March 11 2012 06:33 Xiron wrote:
On March 11 2012 06:27 Zurles wrote:
I really don't understand why anyone cares in the first place, it's ladder rage.. honestly.


/sarcasm on
CatZ said 'niger' and 'feggot' live on stream. I hope he gets kicked out of coL now.
/sarcasm off


Like, there might be different levels of importance of players, and who people are. Like CatZ is a player for coL, and he is a well respected member of the community. He is not really a liability. Orb on the other hand, for such a big corporation like EG, huge liability.


So sponsors like creative don't care but intel does? And what if CatZ switched to EG? Would it be a big deal then? And oh, btw, CatZ was on MLG Winter Arena, even though he makes racist comments? What's that about? MLG is not that big of a corporation I guess. Stop trolling dude.

CatZ: Nigger in front of 3000 viewers -> Nobody cares
Orb: Nigger in front of 200 viewers -> Outrage as fuck

This is ridiculous.

Catz shouldnt be allowed to do that either.



Catz's point was that context is what matters, a point obviously lost on the E!Sports drama trols.
Doraki
Profile Joined February 2011
United States9 Posts
March 10 2012 23:00 GMT
#1238
On March 11 2012 07:25 Josh_rakoons wrote:
Catz doesnt use it as a slur.. Orb clearly did.


Doesn't really matter if they use it as a slur or not if Orb can't say it then why can Catz.

Orb your good bro don't let this get you down i still watch your stream some people in this community just sit at there computer and find things to complain about because they have nothing better going on in there lifes. To be offended by this just shows how immature part of this community is I am a grown adult words don't hurt me or offend me as much as it did when i was 13. Instead of complaining about this people should be talking about how some casters just don't know what they are talking about even though they have been casting for months.
KrsOne
Profile Joined March 2011
United States64 Posts
March 10 2012 23:06 GMT
#1239
Although eg's response to the situation could have no other outcome, I'm sorry to see your career getting ruined because of it. That doesn't mean it was ok, but hopefully we all can put this behind us and move on. Good luck to you Orb
Life is to short so love the one you got, cause you might get run over or you might get shot-Sublime
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
March 10 2012 23:09 GMT
#1240
It really is unfortunate but there are responsibilities when being a a somewhat prominent member of the community. I forgive you though.
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