EPTThis event really highlights issues around the permanence of things that we share digitally. Just like a woman who sends a nude pic to her BF just to have it uploaded on reddit has a private moment brought public with great shame, orb was probably casting to sub 100 viewers in a casual gaming session when he made those comments. We all have moments of indignity but when they digitally captured they cease to be moments and are eternal monuments. Nothing more than an apology and a guarantee that it will not happen again should have been needed, but that image wouldn't go away and so people felt more needed to be done. Its a real shame.
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theaxis12
United States489 Posts
This event really highlights issues around the permanence of things that we share digitally. Just like a woman who sends a nude pic to her BF just to have it uploaded on reddit has a private moment brought public with great shame, orb was probably casting to sub 100 viewers in a casual gaming session when he made those comments. We all have moments of indignity but when they digitally captured they cease to be moments and are eternal monuments. Nothing more than an apology and a guarantee that it will not happen again should have been needed, but that image wouldn't go away and so people felt more needed to be done. Its a real shame. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
You guys talk about europe being agreesive thorwards muslims while you are outhere killing them by the thousands??? This is about a dude that lost iss job for offending some random guy during a internet game ffs He better lool for another career because this one is over. Hope your proud of that | ||
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Beef Noodles
United States937 Posts
Hey orb, Just wanted to say that I am a huge fan of your casting, and I enjoy your casts a lot. I personally don't approve of the use of the "n-word" in public, and I feel that Evil Geniuses had to make the move they did. That said, I also don't approve of labeling anyone a racist for the rest of their lives. Using "political correctness" to flame and terrorize someone is also wrong. People have a right to be angry, but we all need to be as open-minded as we claim we are, and allow for Orb to be forgiven. I personally believe you when you say those are not your views, and it was instead immature outbursts. However, I do not want you to be ostracized by the community. I feel that if you do not make a greater effort (and soon), people will always remember you by this, which would be a tragedy. In the paragraphs that follow, I am not judging you, but instead giving advice on what might help the situation. Realistically, it is going to be difficult for you to win back certain sections of the community, and you will (and in my opinion should) have to take a big step toward proving that those are not your views, or are no longer your views. Holding an open session and talking to people might really help. Call your friends. Ask to go on State of the Game, Live on 3, etc. not you explain yourself, but instead to apologize and show the community that you will work to make amends. If you feel comfortable taking flack, you might even ask any offended viewers of those shows to send in comments or questions so that you can speak with them directly. Don't be combative, be you (your normal, nice, mature self). There is even race-issue counseling you might want to look into as it will show that you are very serious, and you are making a tremendous effort. Do anything and everything you can to show that you will not disappear. You are here to stay, and you are terribly sorry for what happened. Ask for forgiveness. If people wish to think you are a racist, let them. But show that even if you were a racist, you have changed. Racism is not ingrained. It is learned and unlearned. Show them that (even if you never meant it in the first place). You are a great caster and a pleasure to watch. I wish you the best. Beef Noodles | ||
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Chessz
United States644 Posts
On March 10 2012 04:10 jester- wrote: Bleh, many would argue that it's you who is stuck with a primitive and idiotic perspective, myself included. Step into the modern world, friend. The word is offensive, sure, but not on the extremely damaging and horrifying level some of you people are making it out to be. Was it at one time? Yes, when the issue was more relevant. Is it now? Not even on the same level. All this is happening because people are taking it out of context and being offended. Yes, it is relevant now, and it's very important, and it's on an even MORE dangerous level because the way it manifests are subtle and subconscious and people feel dissonance about themselves thinking it still exists within them and our culture. If you read the link you would know it's not about being offended. It's about implicit biases which persist because of these kinds of lingering cultural phenomena and jokes, and people don't realize how much internally they have drastic effects on the way we perceive our own races and others, and subsequently influence our decisions. It's irresponsible to think that the step to combating racism is not reevaluating our racial schema but instead requires "not being offended" or understanding things "in context." http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=buried-prejudice-the-bigot-in-your-brain If you are part of a privileged group and grew up in the west, there is a part of your subconscious that is also racist, sexist, classist, ableist, homophobic respectively, this is unavoidable and frankly not open to debate. It's our responsibility to try and combat our implicit notions about things and limit their effect on our perception and behavior. I hope you don't need me to demonstrate that racism/sexism/etc. is still alive and rampant and affecting the lives of marginalized groups in a negative way. this is "the modern world," friend. for some more reading here are a few columns related to the subject: http://finenessandaccuracy.wordpress.com/2009/01/14/nouning-considered-harmful/\ http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2007/10/if-you-dont-claim-it-its-not-yours-to.html but please read the SA article before responding to me, thanks | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 10 2012 05:03 Chessz wrote: Yes, it is relevant now, and it's very important. If you read the link you would know it's not about being offended. It's about implicit biases which persist because of these kinds of lingering cultural phenomena and jokes, and people don't realize how much internally they have drastic effects on the way we perceive our own races and others, and subsequently influence our decisions. It's irresponsible to think that the step to combating racism is not reevaluating our racial schema but instead requires "not being offended" or understanding things "in context." http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=buried-prejudice-the-bigot-in-your-brain If you are part of a privileged group and grew up in the west, there is a part of your subconscious that is also racist, sexist, classist, ableist, homophobic respectively, this is unavoidable and frankly not open to debate. It's our responsibility to try and combat our implicit notions about things and limit their effect on our perception and behavior. I hope you don't need me to demonstrate that racism/sexism/etc. is still alive and rampant and affecting the lives of marginalized groups in a negative way. Interesting article, thanks. Sometimes I wonder ... maybe a lot of intelligent, but not necessary socially conscious people make the 'don't be offended' or 'in context' argument simply because they haven't experience overt racism, or have benefited from systemic racism in ways that are too latent and intangible to notice. Hence they think ignoring the issue is a viable solution -- because it is viable for them It's like the oblivious hot girl that thinks life is amazing and fun for everybody, without realizing life is a little easier and people are nicer to her because she's hot. Her advice is, "Just smile more!" | ||
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lisward
Singapore959 Posts
On March 10 2012 04:59 TrickyGilligan wrote: See, Orb didn't do this on stream. This was a witch hunt going through old replays looking for use of this word. I think everyone agrees that saying it on stream is one thing, and saying it in private is still frowned upon. But this isn't a case of someone logging onto an EG stream and being shocked at the language they hear. This is people actively going out of their way and looking for a reason to be offended. It was still wrong and some sort of action should have been taken, but I'm disappointed with both EG and the community as a whole for the amout of overreaction that took place. Orb is a great caster, and I'm sure if you sort through enough replays of other community figures you could easily find equally offensive rage rants. Why did Orb get fired then? He's new and he got caught. Are you kidding me? He got de-featured on TL for saying that exact stuff on stream, plus according to TB he's been saying it on stream in the beta all the time. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
Hope one mistake doesn't hurt you too much. Silver lining, the communities knows you'll grow and won't eff up again- best of luck guy! | ||
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Seam
United States1093 Posts
On March 10 2012 05:15 Crownlol wrote: Takes a man to apologize Orb. Hope one mistake doesn't hurt you too much. Silver lining, the communities knows you'll grow and won't eff up again- best of luck guy! To be fair, this is far from the first time he's done it. | ||
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Sleed
Canada181 Posts
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
 btw you're one of the decent casters out there. Good luck in the future and don't do stupid stuff again... | ||
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Fealthas
607 Posts
We all get frustrated by ladder. gl hf | ||
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papi91
United States16 Posts
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On March 10 2012 05:03 Chessz wrote: Yes, it is relevant now, and it's very important, and it's on an even MORE dangerous level because the way it manifests are subtle and subconscious and people feel dissonance about themselves thinking it still exists within them and our culture. If you read the link you would know it's not about being offended. It's about implicit biases which persist because of these kinds of lingering cultural phenomena and jokes, and people don't realize how much internally they have drastic effects on the way we perceive our own races and others, and subsequently influence our decisions. It's irresponsible to think that the step to combating racism is not reevaluating our racial schema but instead requires "not being offended" or understanding things "in context." http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=buried-prejudice-the-bigot-in-your-brain If you are part of a privileged group and grew up in the west, there is a part of your subconscious that is also racist, sexist, classist, ableist, homophobic respectively, this is unavoidable and frankly not open to debate. It's our responsibility to try and combat our implicit notions about things and limit their effect on our perception and behavior. I hope you don't need me to demonstrate that racism/sexism/etc. is still alive and rampant and affecting the lives of marginalized groups in a negative way. this is "the modern world," friend. for some more reading here are a few columns related to the subject: http://finenessandaccuracy.wordpress.com/2009/01/14/nouning-considered-harmful/\ http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2007/10/if-you-dont-claim-it-its-not-yours-to.html but please read the SA article before responding to me, thanks Man, lay off the armchair sociology bullshit. There is no evidence orb is racist rather than like any other Internet trolling angry guy that is using foul language to be as bombastic as possible. ffs orb is a jazz musician! | ||
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Dave-o
United States26 Posts
On March 09 2012 20:55 Zambrah wrote: Where did orb ever say that he hated black people and gay people? Oh, wait, he didn't? Because the way he was using the word made it interchangeable with any vulgarity? It had no racial meaning? Oh yeah, you're taking it out of context. EDIT: Zergmeister, what you said. It did have racial meaning. Orb said that you "take dumb nigger risks". He assosiates risk taking with the African race. How is that not racial? | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 10 2012 05:24 DoubleReed wrote: Man, lay off the armchair sociology bullshit. There is no evidence orb is racist rather than like any other Internet trolling angry guy that is using foul language to be as bombastic as possible. ffs orb is a jazz musician! And Mel Gibson likes bagels and lox. Come on man, if you're going to disagree with somebody try a little harder and actually read their post. | ||
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jester-
Canada547 Posts
On March 10 2012 05:28 Dave-o wrote: It did have racial meaning. Orb said that you "take dumb nigger risks". He assosiates risk taking with the African race. How is that not racial? This type of individual is the reason this incident got blown so far out of proportion. | ||
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naux
Canada738 Posts
On March 10 2012 05:13 lisward wrote: Are you kidding me? He got de-featured on TL for saying that exact stuff on stream, plus according to TB he's been saying it on stream in the beta all the time. if he did it in the beta why are people bringing it up now? kinda stupid if you ask me.. he got a job at EG and people just hate on him because he was becoming a sucessful caster.. and the person who emailed EG's sponsors .. you are the worse case scenario of SOMEBODY actually killing esports you should be ashamed | ||
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SirPinky
United States525 Posts
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Dave-o
United States26 Posts
On March 10 2012 01:35 Elean wrote: Considering how easy it is to prove from a replay that it was actually him playing (comparison of the hotkeys used). If he lied, we will have the proof soon enough with all the dirt-digging maniacs from reddit. If the proof never comes, we should just assume he actually didn't lie. Why? | ||
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Carson
Canada820 Posts
I'm happy to see that this was dealt with. | ||
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