EPTOn March 10 2012 07:04 HardlyNever wrote:
I just realized if Orb were black, this wouldn't have ever been an issue.
Is that racism?
I just realized if Orb were black, this wouldn't have ever been an issue.
Is that racism?
Nope.
My statement and apologies - Page 52
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
Nope. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:29 Chessz wrote: I'm almost not sure if you're trolling yourself. First you generalize black people: "Black people troll the exact same way. They'll insult someone with the n word just as easily." somehow thinking that if a black person says it the communicative context is the same as if a white person says it, just because the desire of both messages is to be hurtful. And then you try to generalize the discourse of every person "trolling," for example if I wanted to say "the most vile thing" I wouldn't use the word nigger unless I knew the person was black, and then I would be saying something racist. It's immature to rely on these words to prop up the "offensiveness" of a statement because there are 1000s of other ways to describe someone's stupidity, incapacity, etc. In addition to your stance being asinine, I feel like you aren't reading what I'm saying, it's not about whether or not orb is racist. Nobody here thinks that orb is an active, explicitly racist person. But the words he used were racist. Also, stop using the word troll to encompass all kinds of hateful behavior, that's not even what it means in the first place. I don't really give a shit if orb is white, I just recognize that that makes him more susceptible to implicit biases about his own race and others, and you and I too share those biases (I think I can reasonably assume you're white), and they are inextricably linked to our diction and behavior. I don't really give a fuck if orb is white. If you're caught up in thinking that's what this reaction is about.. well.. I just don't know man. Here are some links again including the original SA article that is very revealing http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=buried-prejudice-the-bigot-in-your-brain http://americansforamericanvalues.org/unconsciousbias/ and some blogs for more perspective http://blog.soros.org/2011/12/implicit-bias-and-social-justice/ http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2007/10/im-not-racist.html Well, there's no good word for it. It's not hateful behavior. It's where you are trying to get as much of a reaction as you can. That's all it is. Using the n word raises the offensiveness quotient of your statement. He practically states that explicitly ffs and this behavior is all over the Internet. This is where you try to mince words. Despite you know this behavior online to simply be incredibly offensive, you're still claiming that makes him an implicit racist. You have no proof of that so that's still unfair and slanderous. Sorry, I actually am well aware of unconscious biases and such. Those articles gave me nothing new. Edit: All this shows is that Orb considers the n word to be ridiculously offensive. Any other claim is too far. | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
How is it not? If he were a different race, we would be treating him differently. Isn't that basically the definition of racism? | ||
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NerdCRAFT
United States53 Posts
IMO | ||
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idonthinksobro
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VPFaith
United States261 Posts
Team EG's Sir Scoot said very clearly that EG believes Orb when Orb first said it was not him who used those profane languages. However, after further investigation, Orb was found guilty and it was him the entire time. Not only he tried to deceive his Team EG, but also confirmed that he is not friend of HONESTY. It's very simple to understand, not rocket science here! | ||
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:14 HardlyNever wrote: How is it not? If he were a different race, we would be treating him differently. Isn't that basically the definition of racism? Nope. User was warned for this post | ||
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Xivsa
United States1009 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:34 VPFaith wrote: I don't think the community doesn't want to give Orb another chance but rather his attempt to lie/cover up his wrongdoings. There is a difference between accepting mistakes right away and attempting to cover it up. Team EG's Sir Scoot said very clearly that EG believes Orb when Orb first said it was not him who used those profane languages. However, after further investigation, Orb was found guilty and it was him the entire time. Not only he tried to deceive his Team EG, but also confirmed that he is not friend of HONESTY. It's very simple to understand, not rocket science here! No, the initial post by Orb that the first SS was not him is true - it wasn't him. Read Orb's edit to his OP for further clarification on this post. As many have pointed out, EG - as in Alex and Scoots - have not accused Orb of lying to them or attempting to cover anything up. | ||
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Ohhsee
United States28 Posts
One thing I did gain from this though, Alex is a hipocrit and I thouroughly regret buying my EG shirt as well as waisting the past year or so rooting/hoping for Idra and his sidekicks to win some tourneys. | ||
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Squirrel
United States1097 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:45 Ohhsee wrote: If it wern't for Idra's BM, he wouldn't be half as notorious as he is now. Why is Orb any different? Rediculous how people are acting, so what he called someone a nigger on ladder rofl. Really, this whole thing is a joke. One thing I did gain from this though, Alex is a hipocrit and I thouroughly regret buying my EG shirt as well as waisting the past year or so rooting/hoping for Idra and his sidekicks to win some tourneys. It's not simple BM. Idra, while BM, isn't horribly offensive. | ||
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keyStorm
Canada316 Posts
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Magic_Mike
United States542 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:52 Seam wrote: It's not simple BM. Idra, while BM, isn't horribly offensive. Unless you are gay, or mentally handicapped. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:45 Ohhsee wrote: If it wern't for Idra's BM, he wouldn't be half as notorious as he is now. Why is Orb any different? Rediculous how people are acting, so what he called someone a nigger on ladder rofl. Really, this whole thing is a joke. One thing I did gain from this though, Alex is a hipocrit and I thouroughly regret buying my EG shirt as well as waisting the past year or so rooting/hoping for Idra and his sidekicks to win some tourneys. Because Idra got called out on his BM, lied about it, was confronted by his team, kept lying about it, and then called everyone calling him out retarded and lied some more, right? | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
that would be funny, 1st level thinking | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
"Racism involves the belief in racial differences, which acts as a justification for non-equal treatment." So yes. | ||
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:55 hunts wrote: Because Idra got called out on his BM, lied about it, was confronted by his team, kept lying about it, and then called everyone calling him out retarded and lied some more, right? lol exactly. Orb brought most of this on himself by his ridiculous responses, also dragging other players into the argument as meat sheilds. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
I'm sure most of us have said worse things at one time or another. Being a caster does not make someone a public figure that needs all of his trash searched. | ||
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Littlemuff
United Kingdom301 Posts
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
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LaM
United States1321 Posts
You definitely need to look up what racism is. | ||
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