EPTOn March 13 2012 21:34 interpolarity wrote:
@ Lysenko.
@ Lysenko.
Thanks for your thoughts. All excellent comments, and I'll work on those things.
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
Thanks for your thoughts. All excellent comments, and I'll work on those things. | ||
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Monkeyballs25
531 Posts
On March 14 2012 04:51 GlocKomA wrote: Watch the Day9 video and see how even at the pro level - better builds, solid builds, win games. Imagine that level of refinement at the lower leagues. Thanks, very nice advice there. Atm I'm practicing the all-marine mineral drill someone else linked, with some amusing results. Poor zergies. http://drop.sc/133302 http://drop.sc/133303 http://drop.sc/133304 | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On March 13 2012 16:20 IstgG wrote: im a bronze level zerg in SEA. ive played over 500 games as zerg. all in bronze. i hear alot of people say "find one build and refine until perfect" it doesnt work like that. these days i just try and 15 Hatch 14 Gas 14 Gas ??????? Win/Lose I am good with zerg macro: Queens,Upgrades,Teching but i am just at the state that im bronze and will never get out. i play +2 hours a day and nothing gets acheived. i enjoy this game (most the time) and am not going to quit when going through a bad phase HELP 1) That is an opener, not a full build. You say you have no idea what to do after 14, and you should know what to do. 2) I assume one of those 'gas' is meant to be 'pool', because otherwise, that's terrible. 3) You're not good with Zerg macro. This is the biggest reason you are still bronze. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1128 Posts
On March 13 2012 22:36 Monkeyballs25 wrote: Cheers. You're definitely a lot faster than your average APM would suggest, its particularly noticeable in the 2nd game, where you're microing like a boss and still getting good warp-ins, which a lot of players would struggle to do in that timeframe. But you're right, I guess high diamond isn't as full of speedy ubermensch as I thought  Don't adulate me. I'm quite bad at SC2. And I'm not saying that out of false humility, or in a bleak contrast to pro players. I'm saying that because I'm well aware of my many flaws, and just how grave they are. That's what separates bronzies from casual players that make it to Masters. If you just want to fool around in the bottom leagues, by all means. Somebody has to fill them. What's astounding, though, is when Bronze/Silver players complain that they're doing everything right, and give a variety of excuses for why they're in the bottom leagues. That's a bunch of crap. The reason why I'm in the top 2% of NA players is because I actively try to improve my consistent flaws, and thus avoid those errors in the next game. If you're unable to admit you're doing plenty of things wrong and just keep hammering the nail the same way, you'll probably never change leagues. Saying things like "people in Bronze are much better now" is just an excuse for complacency. | ||
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ContactKilla
United States194 Posts
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Monkeyballs25
531 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:39 LightSpectra wrote: Don't adulate me. I'm quite bad at SC2. And I'm not saying that out of false humility, or in a bleak contrast to pro players. I'm saying that because I'm well aware of my many flaws, and just how grave they are. That's what separates bronzies from casual players that make it to Masters. If you just want to fool around in the bottom leagues, by all means. Somebody has to fill them. What's astounding, though, is when Bronze/Silver players complain that they're doing everything right, and give a variety of excuses for why they're in the bottom leagues. That's a bunch of crap. The reason why I'm in the top 2% of NA players is because I actively try to improve my consistent flaws, and thus avoid those errors in the next game. If you're unable to admit you're doing plenty of things wrong and just keep hammering the nail the same way, you'll probably never change leagues. Saying things like "people in Bronze are much better now" is just an excuse for complacency. Well atleast you're modest  Listen mate, I doubt you're the only person in SC2 who's stumbled onto the concept that you have to "actively try to improve your consistent flaws". If you're in the top 2% of NA players, its because you're putting a lot more hours into actively improving your flaws, or you don't have to put in as many hours because of some intangible thing you already had before you started compared to the rest. And you've already said you got there with an hour a day on average, so it ain't huge numbers of hours. What else is there? The notion that of the other 98%, that *every single one of them* is not putting effort in, or "not training right", is stupid. | ||
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AimlessAmoeba
Canada704 Posts
On March 08 2012 18:37 zefreak wrote: Day9 etc isn't really for bronze players. Disagree x1000. Barring playing games, watching Day do his thing is probably the best thing a bronzie could do to improve his or her situation. | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:39 LightSpectra wrote: Saying things like "people in Bronze are much better now" is just an excuse for complacency. The reason people are saying that in this thread is to respond to the question of "how can you have played lots of games and not have improved?" The answer is that it's possible to have improved a fair amount at the game without being promoted, particularly in bronze league where play can range from looking things up in the menus every 30 seconds to actually using hotkeys and just playing slowly or not executing well. "People in bronze are much better now" doesn't have to be an excuse, it's a fair response to an unfair accusation of complete stagnancy. The real question isn't "why aren't you improving," but "of course you're improving, now what do you have to do to improve faster than the people around you?" | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1128 Posts
I mean, when somebody in bronze says "I scout and I'm good at macro," they're lying to themselves. If you scout and macro, you can get into Platinum league by a-moving stalkers or marines. That's significant because if you don't identify what to fix, you're not going to improve. If you lose to a 6pool, a smart player will learn to send an early scout or wall better; a bad player is going to say "It's not my fault, cheese is stupid" or "they're lucky they got close position", or give some other excuse not to fix what they're doing. | ||
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Tesla12
Serbia71 Posts
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
That said, I'll be one of the people that says 'i dont understand how you can still be in bronze' lol. Maybe you dont actually put the smallest amount of effort into the game? Or maybe you just want to relax? Which I can respect, and I actually got burned out by 'trying too hard' to go up in rank, and now I dont even play or enjoy the game at all anymore. The last thing you want is for that to happen to you. I managed diamond after my first 3 weeks of playing the game (with no BW or rts experience) and then i didnt really care for the game anymore. But....cmon man lol. You can get out of bronze, there is no reason to be stuck there unintentionally lol. If it is any motivation for you, there is actually a guy that has no hands that plays sc2 at a platinum level. He actually isnt bad at all, and it's pretty impressive what he can do with his handicap. Search LookNoHands or No hands starcraft on youtube if you dont believe me lol. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
I have to say, Bronze League is harder than Silver League. The two play nearly identically from my experience, but since there's more cheese in Bronze, everyone's more cautious there. You can pull shit in silver that you can't do in bronze. Really, all I did was find a good build order and improve my macro a little bit, and boom. Bronze people are better than they get credit for, especially since you can cheese in any league. | ||
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
On March 14 2012 07:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Bronzies are better than they used to be, at least better than the stereotypes. I was C- in BW, started SC2 1 year after it came out (exactly one year, I got my copy July 27 2011), was a shaky silver in 4v4 and then stayed bronze up until very recently where I went thru silver and am now low gold in 1v1. I have to say, Bronze League is harder than Silver League. The two play nearly identically from my experience, but since there's more cheese in Bronze, everyone's more cautious there. You can pull shit in silver that you can't do in bronze. Really, all I did was find a good build order and improve my macro a little bit, and boom. Bronze people are better than they get credit for, especially since you can cheese in any league. Sometimes it might seem that way, especially when people like me lower my rank to bronze to troll everyone But hey, you have to play people better than you to improve | ||
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ContactKilla
United States194 Posts
And bronze people are just that. Bronze. If they were "better than the credit they get", they would have been promoted already. If your stuck in bronze for this long, your doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. | ||
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
On March 14 2012 07:26 ContactKilla wrote: And bronze people are just that. Bronze. If they were "better than the credit they get", they would have been promoted already. This statement makes absolutely no sense. Do you have any idea of how the ladder works? | ||
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raufal
United Kingdom12 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On March 14 2012 08:09 raufal wrote: I am in bronze but i am playing gold leaguers assuming that i will get promoted soon , but problem with bronze league is no plan, no organization and you can prasie bronze as much as you want thats the truth, i read a build here at the forum and stopped losing after first 2 games with it. Its just that and if you disagree you are clouding the truth. The high end of bronze have better organization than that, but you know that, since you're the high end of bronze right now. | ||
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
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Shaddar
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
The answer is simple: No, it doesn't exist, and no, the bronze league is not better now than it ever was. I'm a masters zerg who often plays on a bronze account to go mass queen/void ray/scv/planetary and stuff like that, and it works just as much now as it did a year ago. If people in bronze league were getting better, they would be out of bronze. Statistics dictate as such. | ||
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