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durr
Profile Joined April 2010
United States148 Posts
March 05 2012 21:47 GMT
#161
i must say that i have felt this from time to time because team games (for me) are boring and i hate relying on someone to do well or actually make their own detection but 1v1 is a lot of fun but i will only play a few games then play something that has more people involved. I have tried to join some amateur teams and they do the job for about three weeks until people stop logging on vent/skype. honestly i would be fine with just laddering and talking with people in vent that know the game but my friends are not into sc2 so they don't really know sc2 strats so it's like talking to a wall.
MARINES OORAH
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3424 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 21:49:34
March 05 2012 21:47 GMT
#162
What made Blizzard's games so great in the past was the community. Bnet 2.0 attempts to ruin the very best aspect associated with any Blizzard title.
CounterOrder
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada457 Posts
March 05 2012 21:47 GMT
#163
Bnet killed SC. :'(
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
March 05 2012 21:51 GMT
#164
On March 06 2012 05:39 RedMosquito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 05:27 SnuggleZhenya wrote:
On March 06 2012 05:11 zefreak wrote:
Is this seriously a big deal? Want to know how I deal with 'loneliness'? It's called alt-tab. I basically have my SC2 client open at all times. I'll read TL, talk to friends in Ventrillo, check my facebook, play another ladder game. People are making this into such a big deal when it isn't. How many threads have there been about this now? Computers are pretty damn good these days, you can have more than one program open at a time. You can have multiple monitors. You can alt-tab.


The problem is that I've *MET* a lot of cool people playing games, and I've met exactly 0 people playing Sc2. It isn't just abou talking with people I already know. I've met some through TL, but in SC2 itself you almost never meet anyone I met lots of people in Diablo 2 idling in chat rooms, and it was always worth while just to sort of see that community in a more real way. There is no analog to this kind of social experience in SC2. I definitely feel like that is missing from SC2. Husky did a great video a month or so ago about how battle.net works in Warcraft 3, and I think he hits on all the major points.

Here is the video:
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Ive met close to a hundred people playing sc2 that i never met before. Not sure what your problem is but why dont you try talking or inviting someone to play with you. Its not that hard. I joined sc2 when it first came out and no one i knew in real life played. Still ive made many acquantances and even now i still meet people all the time. Whats the problem?


The problem is you're using anecdotal evidence to cover faults of design. It's like saying that ladder anxiety isn't a problem and doesn't exist just because you or I aren't afraid to hit the "find match" button.

The fact that these articles pop up, and that this issue comes up in various other threads every now and then indicates that there is an issue with the system, also simply by analyzing the system it's not hard to realize that there's no motivation or context to social interaction.
FreedomPeacer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada67 Posts
March 05 2012 21:55 GMT
#165
This article sums up what I've been thinking for a long time now.
ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
March 05 2012 21:59 GMT
#166
This is so true, I hate reading stuff like this because it scares me about the future of Sc2. I hope Blizzard get themselves sorted. It's such a good game.
Luppa <3
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 05 2012 22:03 GMT
#167
On March 06 2012 06:47 zezamer wrote:
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On March 06 2012 06:43 Noocta wrote:
I tried to join the General Chat channel in Europe.
2 people in there.

._.


You should join the tl channel. Always 100 players. (full) Blizz should allow bigger channels.


TL is always full. :d
Talk about disparity.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
March 05 2012 22:07 GMT
#168
On March 06 2012 05:54 Kambing wrote:
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On March 06 2012 05:42 gosublade wrote:
There is definitely something missing from the game too. I used to play 22h sessions constantly on bw, while winning 1 out of 5 games. Sc2, 50% win ratio, can`t play for longer than 2h at a time


How long ago did you play BW to that level? Chances are (as with many people here) it was a while ago and your priorities and preferences have changed over the years. It isn't bad or a fault of the system, it's just the way things are.

For example, 15 years ago I would've been clamoring for in-game chat. Now, I only have a desire to talk to people that I know or at least people I can assume have a base level of competency and maturity. So bnet's current chat set up doesn't bug me too much.


How do you FIND people that have that base level of competency and maturity without a way to even interact with them properly?

I mean like you, I played BW some 15 years ago for hours and hours. I still have no purchased SC2 because the times I've tried it have made me really scorn Bnet 2.0 The changes were pretty much all bad except for matchmaking.

The thing is...I don't know why anyone would be against making Bnet 2.0 better because it doesnt bother the people that don't want it. They can sit in THE VOID and conduct business as usual where as the people that wanted the social atmosphere can go and have that.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
david0925
Profile Joined September 2010
212 Posts
March 05 2012 22:11 GMT
#169
I don't really understand their decision making with B.net 2.0 at all. How can you make an amazing social interface in 1.0 and then take away every positive about it in a latter generation?
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
March 05 2012 22:12 GMT
#170
On March 06 2012 07:07 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2012 05:54 Kambing wrote:
On March 06 2012 05:42 gosublade wrote:
There is definitely something missing from the game too. I used to play 22h sessions constantly on bw, while winning 1 out of 5 games. Sc2, 50% win ratio, can`t play for longer than 2h at a time


How long ago did you play BW to that level? Chances are (as with many people here) it was a while ago and your priorities and preferences have changed over the years. It isn't bad or a fault of the system, it's just the way things are.

For example, 15 years ago I would've been clamoring for in-game chat. Now, I only have a desire to talk to people that I know or at least people I can assume have a base level of competency and maturity. So bnet's current chat set up doesn't bug me too much.


How do you FIND people that have that base level of competency and maturity without a way to even interact with them properly?

I mean like you, I played BW some 15 years ago for hours and hours. I still have no purchased SC2 because the times I've tried it have made me really scorn Bnet 2.0 The changes were pretty much all bad except for matchmaking.

The thing is...I don't know why anyone would be against making Bnet 2.0 better because it doesnt bother the people that don't want it. They can sit in THE VOID and conduct business as usual where as the people that wanted the social atmosphere can go and have that.


Exactly. why people are so against improvement when its not even ridiculous request. this is an industry standard.
Xenogears
Profile Joined July 2011
France87 Posts
March 05 2012 22:17 GMT
#171
On March 06 2012 01:52 orangesunglasses wrote:
love "ghost town effect" it fully describes the problem. the other problem is blizz who created so many popular games sucks at making them AMAZING games most of the time


All blizzard games are AMAZING.
Please go away..
MVP :)
dicedicerevolution
Profile Joined October 2009
United States245 Posts
March 05 2012 22:20 GMT
#172
Can someone start a petition to really get some attention? I think if we bring this problem to Blizzard's attention and make them realize how big of an issue is (you want your sequels to sell, eSports to grow, and have another cash-cow?) then they won't be able to ignore it.

I'm talking millions of signatures.
CounterOrder
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada457 Posts
March 05 2012 22:22 GMT
#173
GL getting millions of sigs lol. Theres like 30-40k people playing on weekends.
Ubenn
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada114 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-05 22:24:43
March 05 2012 22:23 GMT
#174
So instead of wanting a good game (SC2) people want chat rooms to talk to other guys in... Maybe I just don't get it but I long onto SC2 to play against other people and get better, when I'm tired of playing I log off and do something else. Seems strange to me that people want to log onto a game then go sit in chat rooms and talk to random guys. Sounds to me that you want to play and MMO but are playing an RTS.
EdSlyB
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Portugal1621 Posts
March 05 2012 22:23 GMT
#175
Excelent article. I'm sad now because despite being a PC gamer for long time now, my online experience started really late. I didn't have acess to a good internet connection until around 2007ish. So having played both BW and WC3 singleplayer (among many other games) I realize that I have missed the most important part of them: the interaction.
And looking at Bnet 2 and looking at what people describe Bnet1 was, it's clear that Bnet2 is complete miss. It would be really good that Blizzard implemented a good Bnet experience because it would add so much to the game (games if you count D3).~

I hope that blizzard open their eyes and do something about it. Before it's too late.
aka Wardo
Ksquared
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1748 Posts
March 05 2012 22:26 GMT
#176
Damn battle.net 1.0 is so much better.
eSports for life.
SnuggleZhenya
Profile Joined July 2010
596 Posts
March 05 2012 22:26 GMT
#177
On March 06 2012 07:23 Ubenn wrote:
So instead of wanting a good game (SC2) people want chat rooms to talk to other guys in... Maybe I just don't get it but I long onto SC2 to play against other people and get better, when I'm tired of playing I log off and do something else. Seems strange to me that people want to log onto a game then go sit in chat rooms and talk to random guys. Sounds to me that you want to play and MMO but are playing an RTS.


Except that this was already possible in all previous Blizzard RTS games... People like to be part of a community. Hell, that is why I'm on Team Liquid.
You'll never get better being an angry nerd sitting alone in your room.
Gingerninja
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1339 Posts
March 05 2012 22:31 GMT
#178
Anyone find it ironically amusing that facebook integration did nothing for the social aspect... why can't I chat to my facebook friends while on Starcraft? surely that's Integration.. and not just the ability to add email addresses...
戦いの中に答えはある
BushidoSnipr
Profile Joined November 2010
United States910 Posts
March 05 2012 22:36 GMT
#179
such a good post, and should definitely take Blizzards money-addicted eyes off the building of money they live in and realize that there is a legitimate problem that will surely cause economic damage to them in the long run. An amazingly written article like this is sure to open eyes
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 05 2012 22:40 GMT
#180
Blizzard really fucked up the UI and social part of SCII. It is rather sad that it was so fun in warcraft II and now there is nothing?.
I had a good night of sleep.
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