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On March 06 2012 03:21 supsun wrote:
Well physical sports have HUGE name sponsors like Nike and shit. And so did BW in Korea. For example. Jin air and sk telecom all them. Sc2 just doesn't have those big ass sponsors. And blizzard (since they merged with Activision) recently has been caring more about the money (that's why there are two full prices expansions) they have the money to advertise and do huge things, but the sad sad truth is that they probably won't do shit. It's all good though, I've survived with good esports before, like before I discovered BW.
Battle.net championship 2012 and HotS and LotV will be priced as an expansion.:D
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On March 06 2012 03:21 supsun wrote:
Well physical sports have HUGE name sponsors like Nike and shit. And so did BW in Korea. For example. Jin air and sk telecom all them. Sc2 just doesn't have those big ass sponsors. And blizzard (since they merged with Activision) recently has been caring more about the money (that's why there are two full prices expansions) they have the money to advertise and do huge things, but the sad sad truth is that they probably won't do shit. It's all good though, I've survived with good esports before, like before I discovered BW.
Lets see what the World Championship brings 
I personally think, that SC 2 relies alot on the strong community, and if this community sustains, SC 2 will be able to sustain on the same or a higher level then now.
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According to the AIGCP: "Professional teams, representing 2,000 employees and 321 million Euros per year, are the biggest economical driving force in professional cycling and are currently under-represented in the decision-making process pertinent to the sport of professional cycling."
If Starcraft 2-teams can reach professional cycling teams in terms of budget (the poorest ProTour teams have something like a 7 million Euro budget and 20-25 riders + ~same amount of staff) then we would be pretty damn happy.
Honestly, neither Starcraft II nor BW has been anything near that, it is just small potatoes in comparison. Korean companies has a long way to go until you can consider them major sports sponsors in the realm of eSports.
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On March 06 2012 03:27 GoSuChicken wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 03:21 supsun wrote:
Well physical sports have HUGE name sponsors like Nike and shit. And so did BW in Korea. For example. Jin air and sk telecom all them. Sc2 just doesn't have those big ass sponsors. And blizzard (since they merged with Activision) recently has been caring more about the money (that's why there are two full prices expansions) they have the money to advertise and do huge things, but the sad sad truth is that they probably won't do shit. It's all good though, I've survived with good esports before, like before I discovered BW. Lets see what the World Championship brings I personally think, that SC 2 relies alot on the strong community, and if this community sustains, SC 2 will be able to sustain on the same or a higher level then now.
That's the advantage for Starcraft. Relying on community is better than company.
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On March 06 2012 03:21 supsun wrote:
Well physical sports have HUGE name sponsors like Nike and shit. And so did BW in Korea. For example. Jin air and sk telecom all them. Sc2 just doesn't have those big ass sponsors. And blizzard (since they merged with Activision) recently has been caring more about the money (that's why there are two full prices expansions) they have the money to advertise and do huge things, but the sad sad truth is that they probably won't do shit. It's all good though, I've survived with good esports before, like before I discovered BW.
the big sponsors are coming, MLG is growing to be huge and IPL is givng a huge lump of advertising in Las Vegas
barcrafts are on the rise and big tournaments are getting bigger
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Honestly, SC2 will never be big or mainstream. it wont come close to real sports or even games such as dota 2 or LoL. Sad but true
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On March 06 2012 03:31 RastaMonsta wrote:
Honestly, SC2 will never be big or mainstream. it wont come close to real sports or even games such as dota 2 or LoL. Sad but true
your comparing SC2 to games below SC2 and say it wont come close
well i suppose what you said is true since its so far ahead
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On March 06 2012 03:31 RastaMonsta wrote:
Honestly, SC2 will never be big or mainstream. it wont come close to real sports or even games such as dota 2 or LoL. Sad but true
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the events and teams must go by the standards that are financially feasable. noone, and i mean noone want starcraft 2 to pay to much and end with every company going bankrupt.. i think it should be up to the players, they get some money for entering the tourney, and some price money if they do well - if they want to spend that on hotels, let them. if they want to save the money let them!
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On March 06 2012 03:31 RastaMonsta wrote:
Honestly, SC2 will never be big or mainstream. it wont come close to real sports or even games such as dota 2 or LoL. Sad but true
Dota is behind SC 2 ^^ Dota 2 has almost no big Cups and tournaments (But yes its still in the beta  )
The only thing these 2 games have, is a company behind them that throws money into esports.
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On March 06 2012 03:32 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 03:31 RastaMonsta wrote:
Honestly, SC2 will never be big or mainstream. it wont come close to real sports or even games such as dota 2 or LoL. Sad but true your comparing SC2 to games below SC2 and say it wont come close well i suppose what you said is true since its so far ahead
Im talking about viewer wise and popularity, not actuall game
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On March 06 2012 03:35 RastaMonsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 03:32 Forikorder wrote:On March 06 2012 03:31 RastaMonsta wrote:
Honestly, SC2 will never be big or mainstream. it wont come close to real sports or even games such as dota 2 or LoL. Sad but true your comparing SC2 to games below SC2 and say it wont come close well i suppose what you said is true since its so far ahead Im talking about viewer wise and popularity, not actuall game
who cares if more people watch LoL if there not willing to actually pay money to tournaments
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Someone in this thread said it's like Darts and I totally agree with that.
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On March 06 2012 03:37 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 03:35 RastaMonsta wrote:On March 06 2012 03:32 Forikorder wrote:On March 06 2012 03:31 RastaMonsta wrote:
Honestly, SC2 will never be big or mainstream. it wont come close to real sports or even games such as dota 2 or LoL. Sad but true your comparing SC2 to games below SC2 and say it wont come close well i suppose what you said is true since its so far ahead Im talking about viewer wise and popularity, not actuall game who cares if more people watch LoL if there not willing to actually pay money to tournaments
High viewer count for LoL but tournament organizers don't invest in it as much as Starcraft. I wonder what's wrong with LoL.
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You bring up some fairly good points in the OP, makes one think about the future of eSports, and in particular of StarCraft II's possible lifespan as a popular competitive game. Like theniceninja said here above, people just need to be more exposed to the wonderful world of StarCraft II as an eSport, then growth will most certainly come as time moves on. All we really need is fans of the game to be more open about their love of SC2 and spread that passion to their immediate friends and family (I know how absurd that sounds, I've been trying for a long time and I have to say that it is darn hard in my country). As soon as more people start to do something similar to BarCrafts and stuff, all the more people will take an interest in the sport. Big sponsors will eventually see the potential that the community has, and start to invest big money in it. The only thing needed for this to happen is for a small spark to ignite an inferno, that will blaze and affect lots of people around the world. As games become all the more accepted in society, people will take interest in eSports as a profession. Hell, most viewers of StarCraft II streams do not even play the game, but just enjoy watching. If we can get more such people in the community things will start to shape up.
Here's to hoping that StarCraft II will become the supreme eSport that everyone will love and cherish in the years to come. There is a ton of potential in the USA and in Europe, just as long the exposure is made. eSports on cable televsion FTW!
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On March 06 2012 03:23 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 03:21 supsun wrote:
Well physical sports have HUGE name sponsors like Nike and shit. And so did BW in Korea. For example. Jin air and sk telecom all them. Sc2 just doesn't have those big ass sponsors. And blizzard (since they merged with Activision) recently has been caring more about the money (that's why there are two full prices expansions) they have the money to advertise and do huge things, but the sad sad truth is that they probably won't do shit. It's all good though, I've survived with good esports before, like before I discovered BW. Battle.net championship 2012 and HotS and LotV will be priced as an expansion.:D
Really? What a relief Blizzard should never charge us for a full game when it is an expansion. That would just suck like nothing has ever before.
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I think the problem might be as simple as there being to many small/medium/large tournaments. I have a too little time (sadly) to even follow the results from the larger tournaments sometime and when I watch one I don't care too much, since I know there will a similar one within the next fortnight.
Now, I might have exaggerated a bit, but it's the feeling I want to reach. If my football team lose it's 1 year until they can try again, and they can only partake in 1 league and 2 cups each year.
The Starcraft scene in this respect seems dependent on a small, hardcore viewer-base instead of having a large, more casual viewer-base.
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On March 06 2012 03:39 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 03:37 Forikorder wrote:On March 06 2012 03:35 RastaMonsta wrote:On March 06 2012 03:32 Forikorder wrote:On March 06 2012 03:31 RastaMonsta wrote:
Honestly, SC2 will never be big or mainstream. it wont come close to real sports or even games such as dota 2 or LoL. Sad but true your comparing SC2 to games below SC2 and say it wont come close well i suppose what you said is true since its so far ahead Im talking about viewer wise and popularity, not actuall game who cares if more people watch LoL if there not willing to actually pay money to tournaments High viewer count for LoL but tournament organizers don't invest in it as much as Starcraft. I wonder what's wrong with LoL.
sponsors realise that SC2 is the bigger esport with more exposure more popularity and mroe growth and backign the winning horse
LoL is a bottomless pit that the creaters are trying to fill
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as far as I can tell (but I'll admit I'm not very educated on the subject) the growth of SC2 seem to have stagnated and even declined a bit, and i'ts pretty hard to tell whether it is going to die out or grow strong.
personally I have given up on WOL being the cornerstone of a strong e-sport, but HOTS and LOTV might very well pull the game in the right direction to change that sentiment.
in general, I believe the expansions need to do 3 things for the game to succeed:
1. Increase the amount of cool stuff that can be done but is insanely hard to do, in total increasing the skill cap.
2. make the game more territory focused, pull away from the deathball syndrome. (note: this also increases the skill cap)
3. improve battlenet 2.0 to make it easier to find people to just talk about random stuff with, I don't want to actively have to search for a general chat that noone reads anyway, just make every player that logs in automaticly join the general chat unless the players disables an option or something, that would fill up chatchannels fast.
if all 3 of these would somehow be fulfilled, SC2 would flourish and viewers would flock to the game.
this is my belief.
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On March 06 2012 04:52 Roblin wrote:
as far as I can tell (but I'll admit I'm not very educated on the subject) the growth of SC2 seem to have stagnated and even declined a bit, and i'ts pretty hard to tell whether it is going to die out or grow strong.
personally I have given up on WOL being the cornerstone of a strong e-sport, but HOTS and LOTV might very well pull the game in the right direction to change that sentiment.
in general, I believe the expansions need to do 3 things for the game to succeed:
1. Increase the amount of cool stuff that can be done but is insanely hard to do, in total increasing the skill cap.
2. make the game more territory focused, pull away from the deathball syndrome. (note: this also increases the skill cap)
3. improve battlenet 2.0 to make it easier to find people to just talk about random stuff with, I don't want to actively have to search for a general chat that noone reads anyway, just make every player that logs in automaticly join the general chat unless the players disables an option or something, that would fill up chatchannels fast.
if all 3 of these would somehow be fulfilled, SC2 would flourish and viewers would flock to the game.
this is my belief.
i dont quite get what you mean, BW didnt evolve by leaps and bounds every year, football and baseballs are games that have been unchanged for ages
evolution isnt needed to make SC2 a succesful E-Sport and with the numbers MLG is putting out (both in viewership and with PPV subscribers) E-Sports is finally starting to really rocket up
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