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bobsire
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada296 Posts
February 27 2012 02:15 GMT
#161
didnt watch.. to broke to cough up 20 bucks lol.. sad but true.
Almonjin
Profile Joined July 2011
35 Posts
February 27 2012 02:15 GMT
#162
On February 27 2012 11:12 Toppp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 10:57 Almonjin wrote:
On February 27 2012 10:52 Detrimentally wrote:
On February 27 2012 10:43 Almonjin wrote:
On February 27 2012 10:31 Detrimentally wrote:
On February 27 2012 10:29 Almonjin wrote:
On February 27 2012 10:26 Detrimentally wrote:
Fuck all of the people that worked around the paywall.



You're a corporate shill, and its you that is killing esports by swallowing an inferior product and paying for it.

If by inferior product you are referring to the tournament that set the bar for production, then yes. Minus a few minor glitches lasting no more than 10 minutes over 80 hours of content, MLG > GSL > DreamHack > IPL > NASL.



The games were fine, the stream was, again, an embarrassment. Doubly so considering this was their first attempt to fully monetize an event.

To restate my position, I watched a restream because of a combination of self-interest (I'm a poor student, with a fixed income and no $ to spare) and because I oppose the agenda of MLG which, just like in every other sport, is to get a chokehold on distribution/licensing to the point where they control the sport entirely. Apart from a select few, players can't even make a reliable professional income, yet our priority is monetizing events so MLG can pay dividends to their investors,,,,


You are beyond ignorant. The stream dropped twice for a total of 5 minutes and each time, there were other ways to view the game. MLG wants to monetize so they can become the first self-sufficient eSports league in the world. Take a hike and don't come back until you have a logic based around facts rather than your oh so noble crusader bullshit.


No you. Any dropping of an expensive paid stream is a problem, twice is awful. This is ignoring the fact that it was unwatchable for most of Europe the whole day. You've obviously bought into the propaganda MLG has seeded around, and you are obviously an extremely gullible person. I understand that you paid and now you have to come here and justify yourself, but having an argument usually helps with that.

Have a great day.


It's kind of funny reading your posts. They're actually so agressive and uninformed that I can't tell if you're a troll or just completely ignorant on what your ranting about.


I feel the same way. Do you have an argument or are you just offended?
Code:Closer
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5 Posts
February 27 2012 02:16 GMT
#163
Watched the last 2 games of the day for free with firefox ( adblock and noscript activated ). While I was not aware that it was not a free stream it dawned on me when suddenly in the 3rd game between drg and mkp the stream went down and after it came back up it had the message to pay for it on there. After looking over TL for some information I found the chrome privacy workaround and used that to watch the last game.

However I have to say I would have never payed 20$ for the content they offered. First of all it is way to much money for only 2 days worth of content. If I had to pay 20$ for a season pass that would include like 3 or 4 of those events OK but just for one it is way too much. Also this event did not have the same feel of last years events with a big crowd and everything. It felt kinda cheap.

I also do now understand why MLG payed for all the teams to send their players to the tournament , they did not do for last years event did they ?
So why start with it this time ? Because of the smaller price pool ? or the overall smaller tournament size ( compared to previous mlg events ) I mean if they had taken the money that they used to get all the people to the event and had instead put it into the price pool the probably would have had enough money left for a free 360p or 480p stream.

I don't know how hard a decision it would have been for the Korean teams to send their players to this event without a bigger price pool but it was not a problem in the past was it. Sure the price pool was bigger if you take the money they spent on getting the players there they probably could have cooked up an interesting enough price pool that would have attracted enough Korean player
cptDINOSAUR
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom5 Posts
February 27 2012 02:16 GMT
#164
I watched a bit of the first day and the finals using the chrome work around. My problem with paying the $20 was i was out saturday night and didnt want to stay up all night friday to watch the games. If there had been an option to buy a few hours worth I probably would have paid.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
February 27 2012 02:16 GMT
#165
On February 27 2012 10:59 imperator-xy wrote:
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On February 27 2012 10:51 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On February 27 2012 10:45 imperator-xy wrote:
im shocked that so many people paid for it


OGN, MBC, ESL, WCG and lots of other organizations could work perfectly for over a decade without getting a single cent from their viewers.

why exactly does MLG need $20 for 3 days of 2nd class esports (i consider only GSL as first class) to hold a tournament with low prizemoney? i dont get it


btw i watched like 5 minutes (waiting for a game) on twitch.tv


OGN and MBC are local, not international. They work within a very self-contained structure in a single country.

ESL sells stuff and has issues with administration. They've continued to exist and continued to put on tournaments, but they aren't a particularly good model.

WCG was a pet project of Samsung. It's dying now that Samsung is less interested in wasting lots of money. They also have tons of problems - VoDs, website - and aren't a model organization at all. More than anything they're an example of what not to do, for reasons explained a lot of times on Live on 3 and even ITG/SotG.

Rather than asking rhetorical questions (since I assume that's rhetorical. I don't think you're going to pay any attention to answers), educate yourself. Watch Sundance's interviews. Watch MLGAdam's interview. Read the posts here by LordJerith about monetizing Starcraft. Read FXOBoss's blog. Try to understand what MLG is trying to accomplish.

the guy below you pretty much sums up my opinion.


why should ESL's model be bad? ESL is the biggest esports league (overall) for several years now. they may be having hard times now, but im pretty sure thats just because they messed up with IEM at the beginning.


the way MLG works right now it isnt quite international as well. games are played at american times and to watch them you would need to pay american prizes (that prize wouldnt be imaginable in europe).


There are a ton of events that continue to be free - that's what the guy below me was talking about, right? - and there will continue to be free content no matter what. The amount of content out there is such that one PPV tournament, or even an entire PPV league, is just a drop in the bucket.

As for ESL, they've definitely done good things. They're a successful story so far, but only to a point. There are lots of problems as well. More to the point of this particular event, what MLG is trying to accomplish is something ESL hasn't done yet. They're trying to generate enough revenue that they can fully pay the expenses of all the players at their event. That's a massive leap beyond.

As for your problems with MLG's timezones... They're an American organization that puts on tournaments in the United States. That's not really going to change, and it's a universal problem. Assembly wasn't easy for me to watch. GSL isn't easy for me to watch. They're still international in scale and scope. Hell, Champions League games are played during the American workday. It's a function of there only being so many hours in a day.
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Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
February 27 2012 02:16 GMT
#166
Games were decent from what I saw, it was just the lag that was a total turnoff to me and my friends.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Gourmand
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada101 Posts
February 27 2012 02:17 GMT
#167
I watched on justin.tv, well twitch, watched like 2 - 3 sets, i switched to private mode after it stopped working, i didn't heard about it, it was kinda obvious that it would bypass.
FlyingToilet
Profile Joined August 2011
United States840 Posts
February 27 2012 02:17 GMT
#168
I really did wanna watch grubby in winter mlg, but i didn't have the cash so im willing to wait to be recasted, and the people who watched through illegal sources are a fucking scum on the rest of us, if u are not willing to watch an ad for a streamer or pay to watch/benefit the streamer then like idra would say "get the fuck out"!!
http://justin.tv/flyingtoilet
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 02:18:40
February 27 2012 02:18 GMT
#169
well if 194 tlers paid probably more then probably 1300 people overall paid, and they probably got more than the 26k usd in prizes ...
I feel good for that even tho i think it's too much money xD
MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
February 27 2012 02:18 GMT
#170
On February 27 2012 11:16 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 10:59 imperator-xy wrote:
On February 27 2012 10:51 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On February 27 2012 10:45 imperator-xy wrote:
im shocked that so many people paid for it


OGN, MBC, ESL, WCG and lots of other organizations could work perfectly for over a decade without getting a single cent from their viewers.

why exactly does MLG need $20 for 3 days of 2nd class esports (i consider only GSL as first class) to hold a tournament with low prizemoney? i dont get it


btw i watched like 5 minutes (waiting for a game) on twitch.tv


OGN and MBC are local, not international. They work within a very self-contained structure in a single country.

ESL sells stuff and has issues with administration. They've continued to exist and continued to put on tournaments, but they aren't a particularly good model.

WCG was a pet project of Samsung. It's dying now that Samsung is less interested in wasting lots of money. They also have tons of problems - VoDs, website - and aren't a model organization at all. More than anything they're an example of what not to do, for reasons explained a lot of times on Live on 3 and even ITG/SotG.

Rather than asking rhetorical questions (since I assume that's rhetorical. I don't think you're going to pay any attention to answers), educate yourself. Watch Sundance's interviews. Watch MLGAdam's interview. Read the posts here by LordJerith about monetizing Starcraft. Read FXOBoss's blog. Try to understand what MLG is trying to accomplish.

the guy below you pretty much sums up my opinion.


why should ESL's model be bad? ESL is the biggest esports league (overall) for several years now. they may be having hard times now, but im pretty sure thats just because they messed up with IEM at the beginning.


the way MLG works right now it isnt quite international as well. games are played at american times and to watch them you would need to pay american prizes (that prize wouldnt be imaginable in europe).


There are a ton of events that continue to be free - that's what the guy below me was talking about, right? - and there will continue to be free content no matter what. The amount of content out there is such that one PPV tournament, or even an entire PPV league, is just a drop in the bucket.

As for ESL, they've definitely done good things. They're a successful story so far, but only to a point. There are lots of problems as well. More to the point of this particular event, what MLG is trying to accomplish is something ESL hasn't done yet. They're trying to generate enough revenue that they can fully pay the expenses of all the players at their event. That's a massive leap beyond.

As for your problems with MLG's timezones... They're an American organization that puts on tournaments in the United States. That's not really going to change, and it's a universal problem. Assembly wasn't easy for me to watch. GSL isn't easy for me to watch. They're still international in scale and scope. Hell, Champions League games are played during the American workday. It's a function of there only being so many hours in a day.


MLG seems like it is trying to create an actual unified league. Something we only see in GSL due to the small size of Korea.

This is a goal I am willing to help pay for and support.
OneOddOrange
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada215 Posts
February 27 2012 02:18 GMT
#171
On February 27 2012 11:15 MajorityofOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 11:09 OneOddOrange wrote:
On February 27 2012 11:03 allerion wrote:
On February 27 2012 10:58 lachy89 wrote:They flew every player over and paid for full accommodation and food...


So the only way MLG can think of to get good games is to pay people to go to their tournaments?

It hurts my head to think that nobody could come up with a better way to get good players to want to go to their tournaments.

No it's called helping teams not have too pay for flights, which in term means they have more money for other things which helps esports. When the fuck did so many people devolepe such a huge entitlement complex, the fact is somethings you have too pay for and thats how it works...


You do have to pay for some things, but there is a near-infinite amount of free SC2 content available. MLG will never be able to compete with "free". It's like if somebody tried to open a version of Facebook that required you pay a monthly fee.

I don't feel entitled to free Starcraft, but I'm not going to pay so long as it exists unless the step up in quality is exceptional.
Yeah that's fine if you don't want to pay don't I didn't but don't steal their product...
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
February 27 2012 02:18 GMT
#172
I did watch it it was so nice ^__^
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
February 27 2012 02:18 GMT
#173
I'd probably pay $5 for a restream/4vods that was by MLG and touched up so that it was just a crystal clear event without "BLIZZ WHERE IS LAN?" glitches.
A time to live.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
February 27 2012 02:19 GMT
#174
for me and a couple of others the subscribe block didnt show up. Just ran the stream on firefox with adblock, and I got free stream for all of today. Didnt work on friday or saturday however, just a wierd glitch I guess.
Question.?
esotericc
Profile Joined July 2011
449 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 02:21:52
February 27 2012 02:19 GMT
#175
On February 27 2012 11:18 OneOddOrange wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 11:15 MajorityofOne wrote:
On February 27 2012 11:09 OneOddOrange wrote:
On February 27 2012 11:03 allerion wrote:
On February 27 2012 10:58 lachy89 wrote:They flew every player over and paid for full accommodation and food...


So the only way MLG can think of to get good games is to pay people to go to their tournaments?

It hurts my head to think that nobody could come up with a better way to get good players to want to go to their tournaments.

No it's called helping teams not have too pay for flights, which in term means they have more money for other things which helps esports. When the fuck did so many people devolepe such a huge entitlement complex, the fact is somethings you have too pay for and thats how it works...


You do have to pay for some things, but there is a near-infinite amount of free SC2 content available. MLG will never be able to compete with "free". It's like if somebody tried to open a version of Facebook that required you pay a monthly fee.

I don't feel entitled to free Starcraft, but I'm not going to pay so long as it exists unless the step up in quality is exceptional.
Yeah that's fine if you don't want to pay don't I didn't but don't steal their product...


Stealing implies you are taking something from them, if you weren't going to pay in the first place they lose nothing by having you watch the games for free anyway, if people didn't pay because it could be done for free then that is stealing but I doubt this is the case for 95% of people because of how unreliable getting it free seemed to be.

http://www.gameproducer.net/images/piracyisnottheft.jpg

If you have ever downloaded a song/movie/book you are just as bad as anyone watching a free stream.
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
February 27 2012 02:19 GMT
#176
I didnt watch any of it but mainly because I watched all of Assembly. I was fed up with SC + the time zone made me not wanna watch MLG. However in the future I would pay to watch if it doesnt conflict with anything else.
CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
February 27 2012 02:20 GMT
#177
I didn't have Cash for MLG and I didn't have the time for Assembly (because it was on at 4 in the morning for me).
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 02:23:01
February 27 2012 02:20 GMT
#178
I wonder if mlg didn't tested their blocker ... the standard setup on alot of browser skipped their blocker. But its scary how many people found it okay to steal just because of that, but karma will repay them anyway. And its always fun to read how people reason with themself to make it okay that they committed crimes.

Just hope mlg is more careful next time. Its not good to upset paying customers and you have to give them free cookies if you mess up.
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 02:22:45
February 27 2012 02:21 GMT
#179
20% of TL's bought it so far.... so if 10% of overall bought it

100k viewers in typical MLG * 10% sell through yields,

10k sales @ $20 = $200,000 in revenue

estimated 10k packages sold
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
February 27 2012 02:21 GMT
#180
On February 27 2012 11:18 noD wrote:
well if 194 tlers paid probably more then probably 1300 people overall paid, and they probably got more than the 26k usd in prizes ...
I feel good for that even tho i think it's too much money xD


26k is a small amount in comparison to production cost and the travel cost of all 32 players.
Then again, they earned a bit through sponsors.
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