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AysiktiriX
358 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:32 hunts wrote: Your argument fails badly too. MLG had VODs available within minutes of the games being played. Try watching them spoiler-free within a day, please. Some people actually do work/study. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:26 RinconH wrote: I'm all for experimentation and capitalism but I don't understand why I'd pay $20 for this when I can buy GSL for $15 which has way more content and superior production... i dont get why people defend it anyways. "OMG sc2 split in 3 parts we might pay 20-30$ more then usual! MADNESS FUCK BLIZZARD!" "20$ for 2 days of other guys playing, BUY IT OR YOU HURT ESPORTS!" well whatever. i will never pay that much for a stream and dont see a reason why i should. let them make evrything PPV who cares... there is more then enough other content and restreams whatever will also always exist. watched about an hour of it(mostly just listening and playing dcss) and gotta say without a crowd of any kind i wasnt exactly impressed. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:33 AysiktiriX wrote: Try watching them spoiler-free within a day, please. Some people actually do work/study. Thank you for implying that I don't work or go to school, it's a good way to argue. I do in fact go to college and work, and I happen to work on weekends when MLG happens. I actually have no problem watching MLG VODs of the games that I missed while at work when I come home from work, without getting spoiled. | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:27 ceaRshaf wrote: GSL is not complaining about not making money so they might not care since they already are the best tournament. MLG is far from GLS so they shouldn't be in a position where they don't treat their clients with interest. Also GSL is not as rare as MLG so the live experience is a more important aspect that should cost more. If I am watching vods ( vods mind you, nor rebroadcast cause MLG doesn't do that) why should I pay the same as USA that felt the hype in the middle of the day? IPL, GSL, NASTL and MLG are all losing money. MLG is just the only one publicly reaching out to the audience. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On February 28 2012 03:56 Chenz wrote: I'll pay for MLG events (or rather, start paying again) the day that they start airing their finals one or two hours earlier. Isn't the amount of European viewers you would gain by doing that worth it, or is Europe such a small market? Note that MLG has terrible strategy concerning non-English speaking countries in general. They did not have any possibility and support for non-English streamers like ever. Basically anyone who does not speak reasonable English, which is a LOT of SC2 players are not able to watch MLG at all even if they did have the money and were willing to spend it, that includes places like Korea, China, Russia,.... Normally I would say that it should not be hard to cooperate with some non-English casters and still have safe PPV, but considering the complete failure that their PPV web-design was with the whole "workaround" they have a lot of work to do before they can think about it. | ||
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ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:11 Hrrrrm wrote: Can people please stop with this? You think Sundance is going to go on stream right before the Finals and say it was a complete failure or they didn't meet expectations? Fact is, a single Arena that also conflicted with Assembly doesn't really prove anything. They were always going to hold more Arena's no matter what because they need more data points to know if this is actually viable. The only way they weren't going to hold more Arena's is if they got a really small number of purchases and that wasn't going to be the case since there's easily 1k+ people that would blindly throw money at MLG anyways. You'll know if this is successful if you see it in 2013 and the price remains high(10$-15$). Once that new car smell wears off and people are having to pay more and more just to access some SC2 events will tell the true tale of this PPV model. Love to hear the "There are some things Sundance could say that would benefit him, therefore Sundance will say those things" arguments. If the event wasn't a success, Sundance wouldn't need to go on air saying it was a failure. He just wouldn't make an announcement (not that hard to figure out bud). And no, they wouldn't plan additional future arenas if this one had proven it wouldn't be financially viable. You really think they took it as a guarantee that a $20 PPV event in a market saturated with free events would be a success? Um, no. This was a pilot run. If the first one failed, there's little chance that future ones would succeed. You should at least try to come up with something more than assumptions before accusing someone of lying. | ||
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FnaticPink
Denmark324 Posts
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AysiktiriX
358 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:36 hunts wrote: Thank you for implying that I don't work or go to school, it's a good way to argue. I do in fact go to college and work, and I happen to work on weekends when MLG happens. I actually have no problem watching MLG VODs of the games that I missed while at work when I come home from work, without getting spoiled. Point taken, sorry for getting offensive. Anyway, I meant that you can't compare a "weekend marathon" type of tournament like ASUS ROG/MLG to GSL. To me at least they are totally different. | ||
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Swede
New Zealand853 Posts
On February 28 2012 02:58 Jack_ wrote: I went to MLG site and watched the stream for free. I didn't use any trick, i don't know how this was possible A lot of people experienced the same thing and it's disappointing to see that the poll doesn't have this option. | ||
ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:04 jmbthirteen wrote: how early do you want them to start? They started at 10:30am local time after going pretty late the night before. You really want players starting early in the morning after playing late into the night? Logic would dictate that they would end earlier if they would want to start earlier... Which, as an east coaster, I wouldn't mind one bit. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:44 AysiktiriX wrote: Point taken, sorry for getting offensive. Anyway, I meant that you can't compare a "weekend marathon" type of tournament like ASUS ROG/MLG to GSL. To me at least they are totally different. I do kind of see your point I guess. With something like GSL you can watch VODs a few days later and not be spoiled if you avoid the 5 or so TL threads that will spoil it for you. With something like MLG by a few days later the tournament will be over and the winner declared. | ||
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Merlimoo
France192 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:37 Talack wrote: IPL, GSL, NASTL and MLG are all losing money. MLG is just the only one publicly reaching out to the audience. Thoses are the facts... according to MLG... :S | ||
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Fus
Sweden1112 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
i guess its a win-win for them, they can charge and make more money or make it free and still make money. just saying, many sc2 fans weren't able to watch it, isn't viewership important? and wasn't mlg proud of "record breaking viewership" stuff? in my opinion, it seems 10,000 free viewers is more important than 100 paid viewers, not from business perspective but from someone who is observing and curious of how sc2 esports will turn out. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:37 Talack wrote: IPL, GSL, NASTL and MLG are all losing money. MLG is just the only one publicly reaching out to the audience. And you know because Mr.Bitter said so? | ||
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MVTaylor
United Kingdom2893 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:49 Merlimoo wrote: Thoses are the facts... according to MLG... :S NASL is most definitely losing money. Without doubt. They had enough funding to do three seasons and therefore they're doing them. but if you look at who sponsors them, the quality of their production and the number of people who bought their HD passes / paid to come to the venue they cannot be making money to cover the prize pool, let alone hire venues and pay casters... How many casters did the NASL Season 2 final have? Day9, Wheat, Rotti, Bitter, Husky, orb, gretorp, thegunrun and diggity... 9 casters and 16 players? IPL is also clearly losing money. Hosting a 20k online tournament which is watched (at peak!) by 20k people (for something like EG/Liquid) and around 10k all other times while only making money from chucking ads up... As others have said, total loss leader for IGN MLG has honestly admitted they are losing money and I think they definitely are from their championship events, why on earth they decided to pick up Halo for another year is beyond me, that thing is dead and buried. However from this event I honestly do think they've made money. I would conservatively estimate at least 10,000 people paid. So that's $200k in with expenditures being the $26k prize pool, paying the casters, setting their office up to host the event (not renting a venue!) and finally player transport and accommodation costs. I would also expect they got a bit of extra cash from sponsorships, NOS performance station this, NOS analysis centre that. I do not think GSL is losing money, given the number of people that pay, the size of the prize pool and their relatively low costs along with additional income from being on TV in Korea. Although not mentioned here I am unsure on IEM / Assembly / DreamHack... as all three have a LAN side attached I guess this heavily subsidizes the cost. I think it is important to have a foreign based tournament that is sustainable and the model for MLG Arenas seems exactly that. If they were to lower the price a bit and tighten up loopholes so people have to actually pay to watch then I see a bright future for Arena events, especially if they manage to get a location outside of NY and get spectators in. | ||
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NostalgiaTag
Canada508 Posts
All this talk about hurting esports is rediculious. The market will move naturally if everyone is just honest about their feelings. If you dont want to pay then dont pay, if you find it worth it then pay. The market will adapt to whatever happends. If MLG stops doing tournaments then another tournamanet will find value in whatever people decide to pay. Dont force it and dont complain. Do what you feel is right. | ||
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Maggost
Venezuela296 Posts
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