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Shouldn't there be an option where you split it with friends XD
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I watched the first match on Saturday and it said the paywall would go up after the first free match but there was so much lag I left before that happened.
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What you people don't realize is by supporting the PPV model, you give MLG no reason to lower the price in the future. IDK what a sustainable, profitable price for MLG is, but $20 is just price gouging. How is anything this weekend worth the equivalent price of a month of GSL???
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Kinda watched a restream, I just couldn't get into the event. Watched a total of maybe 3 games on my laptop while playing SC2 on my desktop, despite the entire thing being available to me. Simply wasn't going to be worth the money. I don't feel bad whatsoever. In fact, I don't think I watched a full game in itself. I watched more when it was free T_T. It seemed cooler back then, looking at the audience, etc.
This MLG seemed vastly lamer than the previous ones to me....
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On February 27 2012 15:02 Ghost.573 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 14:57 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 14:53 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:47 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 14:40 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:35 Femari wrote:
People are quick to forget that this is an addition to what MLG already did. They're not taking things you got for free prior to this away, they're adding more and saying "Hey, we're adding more and trying to grow, if you think it's worth the price then buy it, if not then have a good day and tune into the free events."
It was first and foremost an experiment to see if they can monetize the community to some point. I mean wouldn't you guys think it was awesome if all these leagues like MLG, GSL, IPL, IEM, etc were adding more things for you but kept their regular events free? If you can afford it you buy it. I bought a pass for MLG Arena and then I also went to a Barcraft for the finals. I know some people can't afford it but hey if you can and you think it's worth it then why not?
This wasn't ever going to turn every event into a PPV. I don't know why people thought that but this was going to happen at some point. MLG just tried it first. It was an experiment, it was successful, they're trying it again. Who knows it may be $15 next time. But it's not the end of the world. MLG is just trying to make everything self-sufficient. Its not that we think it was set in stone to be PPV always, but that any smart business will do so if it was a big success. If they got much higher numbers than even they expected than don't be surprised to see their Circuit to start being PPV only after a while. Except every tournament realizes if everyone goes PPV it cant be sustained since there isn't that much money the community is willing to spend. Competition would be fierce and only a few would survive. Which is exactly what i said a few pages back. Thats the deal though. If the company sees that it can make money this way than it will try. They may know that not every tournament can do it, but that is perfect for businesses. If they can monopolize or get close to it than they will make the majority of the money from the game. Its good for business but bad for SC2. I realize its stretching, but it is a logical path that this could go if the tools are there. If every company is dumb enough to make all their stuff PPV then only the strong deserve to survive. As many others have pointed out, UFC seems to be thriving just great off of PPV. If you can make money doing it, than do it. If MLG made a good profit, they will do it again and it is a slippery slope then. Yes they may lose their viewers, and if so they will go back to the old model. However, if they don't lose too many then it will be PPV always. Basically if they profit enough of of this arena, I don't think they would think twice about trying it with the circuit.
You say that UFC is thriving and it may be economically. But it's miniscule in terms of viewership. That model works especially well for them because their product is really targeted at males from 18-40 or something like that. They're not looking to grab kids or laeger quantities of women because they know they can't with that kind of entertainment. Sc2 however does not restrict itself to young adult males.
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after the first day, (which i knew i couldnt watch cuz i was busy) i almost considered gettin the ppv cuz the storyline that was being created was awesome(huge marineking fan), but decided not to.. had i known about this bug....
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On February 27 2012 15:07 StarBrift wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 15:02 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:57 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 14:53 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:47 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 14:40 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:35 Femari wrote:
People are quick to forget that this is an addition to what MLG already did. They're not taking things you got for free prior to this away, they're adding more and saying "Hey, we're adding more and trying to grow, if you think it's worth the price then buy it, if not then have a good day and tune into the free events."
It was first and foremost an experiment to see if they can monetize the community to some point. I mean wouldn't you guys think it was awesome if all these leagues like MLG, GSL, IPL, IEM, etc were adding more things for you but kept their regular events free? If you can afford it you buy it. I bought a pass for MLG Arena and then I also went to a Barcraft for the finals. I know some people can't afford it but hey if you can and you think it's worth it then why not?
This wasn't ever going to turn every event into a PPV. I don't know why people thought that but this was going to happen at some point. MLG just tried it first. It was an experiment, it was successful, they're trying it again. Who knows it may be $15 next time. But it's not the end of the world. MLG is just trying to make everything self-sufficient. Its not that we think it was set in stone to be PPV always, but that any smart business will do so if it was a big success. If they got much higher numbers than even they expected than don't be surprised to see their Circuit to start being PPV only after a while. Except every tournament realizes if everyone goes PPV it cant be sustained since there isn't that much money the community is willing to spend. Competition would be fierce and only a few would survive. Which is exactly what i said a few pages back. Thats the deal though. If the company sees that it can make money this way than it will try. They may know that not every tournament can do it, but that is perfect for businesses. If they can monopolize or get close to it than they will make the majority of the money from the game. Its good for business but bad for SC2. I realize its stretching, but it is a logical path that this could go if the tools are there. If every company is dumb enough to make all their stuff PPV then only the strong deserve to survive. As many others have pointed out, UFC seems to be thriving just great off of PPV. If you can make money doing it, than do it. If MLG made a good profit, they will do it again and it is a slippery slope then. Yes they may lose their viewers, and if so they will go back to the old model. However, if they don't lose too many then it will be PPV always. Basically if they profit enough of of this arena, I don't think they would think twice about trying it with the circuit. You say that UFC is thriving and it may be economically. But it's miniscule in terms of viewership. That model works especially well for them because their product is really targeted at males from 18-40 or something like that. They're not looking to grab kids or laeger quantities of women because they know they can't with that kind of entertainment. Sc2 however does not restrict itself to young adult males.
SC2 is utterly 100% mainly watched by young adult males.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=214457
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On February 27 2012 15:04 Havik_ wrote:
What you people don't realize is by supporting the PPV model, you give MLG no reason to lower the price in the future. IDK what a sustainable, profitable price for MLG is, but $20 is just price gouging. How is anything this weekend worth the equivalent price of a month of GSL???
Have you ever bought a beer at a bar? Do you have a snarky know-it-all friend who spends the entire time telling you you're being ripped off by the bar because you could've bought the same beer for cheaper to drink at home?
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On February 27 2012 15:02 Ghost.573 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 14:57 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 14:53 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:47 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 14:40 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:35 Femari wrote:
People are quick to forget that this is an addition to what MLG already did. They're not taking things you got for free prior to this away, they're adding more and saying "Hey, we're adding more and trying to grow, if you think it's worth the price then buy it, if not then have a good day and tune into the free events."
It was first and foremost an experiment to see if they can monetize the community to some point. I mean wouldn't you guys think it was awesome if all these leagues like MLG, GSL, IPL, IEM, etc were adding more things for you but kept their regular events free? If you can afford it you buy it. I bought a pass for MLG Arena and then I also went to a Barcraft for the finals. I know some people can't afford it but hey if you can and you think it's worth it then why not?
This wasn't ever going to turn every event into a PPV. I don't know why people thought that but this was going to happen at some point. MLG just tried it first. It was an experiment, it was successful, they're trying it again. Who knows it may be $15 next time. But it's not the end of the world. MLG is just trying to make everything self-sufficient. Its not that we think it was set in stone to be PPV always, but that any smart business will do so if it was a big success. If they got much higher numbers than even they expected than don't be surprised to see their Circuit to start being PPV only after a while. Except every tournament realizes if everyone goes PPV it cant be sustained since there isn't that much money the community is willing to spend. Competition would be fierce and only a few would survive. Which is exactly what i said a few pages back. Thats the deal though. If the company sees that it can make money this way than it will try. They may know that not every tournament can do it, but that is perfect for businesses. If they can monopolize or get close to it than they will make the majority of the money from the game. Its good for business but bad for SC2. I realize its stretching, but it is a logical path that this could go if the tools are there. If every company is dumb enough to make all their stuff PPV then only the strong deserve to survive. As many others have pointed out, UFC seems to be thriving just great off of PPV. If you can make money doing it, than do it. If MLG made a good profit, they will do it again and it is a slippery slope then. Yes they may lose their viewers, and if so they will go back to the old model. However, if they don't lose too many then it will be PPV always. Basically if they profit enough of of this arena, I don't think they would think twice about trying it with the circuit.
UFC was also competing against other PPV events where as MLG will be going against free events. Also running circuit events is far more expensive than the arenas. They would need to see exponential growth in PPV sales compared to what they did for the Arena sales for it considered to be a success. And they get a much better return on ad revenue on their circuit events then they do from the Arenas so PPV may not be the best way of making money for the championship events.
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You guys need to stop comparing this to the UFC. The scale isn't even remotely close and the communities are entirely different.
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On February 27 2012 15:07 StarBrift wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 15:02 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:57 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 14:53 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:47 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 14:40 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:35 Femari wrote:
People are quick to forget that this is an addition to what MLG already did. They're not taking things you got for free prior to this away, they're adding more and saying "Hey, we're adding more and trying to grow, if you think it's worth the price then buy it, if not then have a good day and tune into the free events."
It was first and foremost an experiment to see if they can monetize the community to some point. I mean wouldn't you guys think it was awesome if all these leagues like MLG, GSL, IPL, IEM, etc were adding more things for you but kept their regular events free? If you can afford it you buy it. I bought a pass for MLG Arena and then I also went to a Barcraft for the finals. I know some people can't afford it but hey if you can and you think it's worth it then why not?
This wasn't ever going to turn every event into a PPV. I don't know why people thought that but this was going to happen at some point. MLG just tried it first. It was an experiment, it was successful, they're trying it again. Who knows it may be $15 next time. But it's not the end of the world. MLG is just trying to make everything self-sufficient. Its not that we think it was set in stone to be PPV always, but that any smart business will do so if it was a big success. If they got much higher numbers than even they expected than don't be surprised to see their Circuit to start being PPV only after a while. Except every tournament realizes if everyone goes PPV it cant be sustained since there isn't that much money the community is willing to spend. Competition would be fierce and only a few would survive. Which is exactly what i said a few pages back. Thats the deal though. If the company sees that it can make money this way than it will try. They may know that not every tournament can do it, but that is perfect for businesses. If they can monopolize or get close to it than they will make the majority of the money from the game. Its good for business but bad for SC2. I realize its stretching, but it is a logical path that this could go if the tools are there. If every company is dumb enough to make all their stuff PPV then only the strong deserve to survive. As many others have pointed out, UFC seems to be thriving just great off of PPV. If you can make money doing it, than do it. If MLG made a good profit, they will do it again and it is a slippery slope then. Yes they may lose their viewers, and if so they will go back to the old model. However, if they don't lose too many then it will be PPV always. Basically if they profit enough of of this arena, I don't think they would think twice about trying it with the circuit. You say that UFC is thriving and it may be economically. But it's miniscule in terms of viewership. That model works especially well for them because their product is really targeted at males from 18-40 or something like that. They're not looking to grab kids or laeger quantities of women because they know they can't with that kind of entertainment. Sc2 however does not restrict itself to young adult males.
... and SC2 is probably primarily 14-30 males....
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On February 27 2012 15:07 StarBrift wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 15:02 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:57 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 14:53 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:47 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 14:40 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:35 Femari wrote:
People are quick to forget that this is an addition to what MLG already did. They're not taking things you got for free prior to this away, they're adding more and saying "Hey, we're adding more and trying to grow, if you think it's worth the price then buy it, if not then have a good day and tune into the free events."
It was first and foremost an experiment to see if they can monetize the community to some point. I mean wouldn't you guys think it was awesome if all these leagues like MLG, GSL, IPL, IEM, etc were adding more things for you but kept their regular events free? If you can afford it you buy it. I bought a pass for MLG Arena and then I also went to a Barcraft for the finals. I know some people can't afford it but hey if you can and you think it's worth it then why not?
This wasn't ever going to turn every event into a PPV. I don't know why people thought that but this was going to happen at some point. MLG just tried it first. It was an experiment, it was successful, they're trying it again. Who knows it may be $15 next time. But it's not the end of the world. MLG is just trying to make everything self-sufficient. Its not that we think it was set in stone to be PPV always, but that any smart business will do so if it was a big success. If they got much higher numbers than even they expected than don't be surprised to see their Circuit to start being PPV only after a while. Except every tournament realizes if everyone goes PPV it cant be sustained since there isn't that much money the community is willing to spend. Competition would be fierce and only a few would survive. Which is exactly what i said a few pages back. Thats the deal though. If the company sees that it can make money this way than it will try. They may know that not every tournament can do it, but that is perfect for businesses. If they can monopolize or get close to it than they will make the majority of the money from the game. Its good for business but bad for SC2. I realize its stretching, but it is a logical path that this could go if the tools are there. If every company is dumb enough to make all their stuff PPV then only the strong deserve to survive. As many others have pointed out, UFC seems to be thriving just great off of PPV. If you can make money doing it, than do it. If MLG made a good profit, they will do it again and it is a slippery slope then. Yes they may lose their viewers, and if so they will go back to the old model. However, if they don't lose too many then it will be PPV always. Basically if they profit enough of of this arena, I don't think they would think twice about trying it with the circuit. You say that UFC is thriving and it may be economically. But it's miniscule in terms of viewership. That model works especially well for them because their product is really targeted at males from 18-40 or something like that. They're not looking to grab kids or laeger quantities of women because they know they can't with that kind of entertainment. Sc2 however does not restrict itself to young adult males.
That is the exact demographic that watches SC2 lmao. You are so off base its hilarious.
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On February 27 2012 15:11 StarStruck wrote:
You guys need to stop comparing this to the UFC. The scale isn't even remotely close and the communities are entirely different.
Do you realize how wrong you are? By charging at all they are restricting it to 18+ or kids with parents willing to pay.
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I am a member of both communities. The way they're structured and the viewership is completely off. -_-
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People who watched the stream for free should be ashamed. I didnt pay so I didnt watch.
Have some decency next time...
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On February 27 2012 15:11 StarStruck wrote:
You guys need to stop comparing this to the UFC. The scale isn't even remotely close and the communities are entirely different.
you might be right about the difference in scale but communities?
please, both target audiences are 18-30 year olds.
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Great games but the terrible terrible lag and log in bugs are completely unacceptable after dropping $20 for just this single event. Disappointing since those sort of issues hadn't been a concern since MLG Dallas. I'll let the next one pass me by until I hear that they have those issues resolved.
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On February 27 2012 15:16 thezanursic wrote:
People who watched the stream for free should be ashamed. I didnt pay so I didnt watch.
Have some decency next time...
clearly a white knight. I would hope you don't pirate with that attitude or watch things on youtube, like music, that are copy right infringement.
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so I was at a barcraft and didnt have a chance to see how many were actually viewing it through the PPV, how high was the viewer count, does anyone remember?
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On February 27 2012 15:07 StarBrift wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 15:02 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:57 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 14:53 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:47 jmbthirteen wrote:On February 27 2012 14:40 Ghost.573 wrote:On February 27 2012 14:35 Femari wrote:
People are quick to forget that this is an addition to what MLG already did. They're not taking things you got for free prior to this away, they're adding more and saying "Hey, we're adding more and trying to grow, if you think it's worth the price then buy it, if not then have a good day and tune into the free events."
It was first and foremost an experiment to see if they can monetize the community to some point. I mean wouldn't you guys think it was awesome if all these leagues like MLG, GSL, IPL, IEM, etc were adding more things for you but kept their regular events free? If you can afford it you buy it. I bought a pass for MLG Arena and then I also went to a Barcraft for the finals. I know some people can't afford it but hey if you can and you think it's worth it then why not?
This wasn't ever going to turn every event into a PPV. I don't know why people thought that but this was going to happen at some point. MLG just tried it first. It was an experiment, it was successful, they're trying it again. Who knows it may be $15 next time. But it's not the end of the world. MLG is just trying to make everything self-sufficient. Its not that we think it was set in stone to be PPV always, but that any smart business will do so if it was a big success. If they got much higher numbers than even they expected than don't be surprised to see their Circuit to start being PPV only after a while. Except every tournament realizes if everyone goes PPV it cant be sustained since there isn't that much money the community is willing to spend. Competition would be fierce and only a few would survive. Which is exactly what i said a few pages back. Thats the deal though. If the company sees that it can make money this way than it will try. They may know that not every tournament can do it, but that is perfect for businesses. If they can monopolize or get close to it than they will make the majority of the money from the game. Its good for business but bad for SC2. I realize its stretching, but it is a logical path that this could go if the tools are there. If every company is dumb enough to make all their stuff PPV then only the strong deserve to survive. As many others have pointed out, UFC seems to be thriving just great off of PPV. If you can make money doing it, than do it. If MLG made a good profit, they will do it again and it is a slippery slope then. Yes they may lose their viewers, and if so they will go back to the old model. However, if they don't lose too many then it will be PPV always. Basically if they profit enough of of this arena, I don't think they would think twice about trying it with the circuit. You say that UFC is thriving and it may be economically. But it's miniscule in terms of viewership. That model works especially well for them because their product is really targeted at males from 18-40 or something like that. They're not looking to grab kids or laeger quantities of women because they know they can't with that kind of entertainment. Sc2 however does not restrict itself to young adult males.
UFC also built up upon DECADES of ground work laid by Boxing. The foundation was already there, without Boxing no one gives a damn about UFC and it never has a chance to succeed. A large part of UFC's marketing was telling everyone how Boxing was the "old man's" sport and MMA was for the "real" fighters. It worked like a charm for the younger audience.
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