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On February 22 2012 00:34 Otolia wrote:
Ahhhhh qxc, a living paradox. Certainly a nice guy with valid ideas but sometimes I wish he would continue his line of thought completely and apply what he thinks. Talking high and mighty is cool, winning is better. He says it himself. He is the first of the baddies and he shouldn't talk about being bad if he is aware of it.
actually that's the wrong attitude. its perfectly valid to criticize and include yourself in the criticism. qxc knows hes bad.
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He's an incredibly smart person and great personality. Decent player. but only because of his situation - not enough practice time in comparison to everyone else. Once he gets his College out of the way. he'll be able to practice full time like he said, and that should beget natural improvement.
I think qxc will make a splash in 2013.
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I love QXC interviews so much, he seems like such a knowledgable guy who really likes to plan out what he does.
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On February 22 2012 00:34 Otolia wrote:
Ahhhhh qxc, a living paradox. Certainly a nice guy with valid ideas but sometimes I wish he would continue his line of thought completely and apply what he thinks. Talking high and mighty is cool, winning is better. He says it himself. He is the first of the baddies and he shouldn't talk about being bad if he is aware of it.
While you can't deny QXC's lack of solid tournament results lately, you can't blame any of it on his integrity and skill as a player. He is one of the few progamers that is completing a college degree simultaneously, and in at a university that is no joke. I have no doubt that once finished with school and finally able to focus purely on SC2, QXC will become a front runner of the foreign scene. Watch him ladder, when he talked about practice in the video it was serious. He has so many builds documented and is constantly reworking and optimizing them. And I dont even think QXC implied that he wasn't "bad", as he referred to all the foreigners as a collective, including himself.
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this is a really cool interview. some amazing perspective on being a pro-gamer. excited for the next parts.
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very good interview! I understand what he means completely
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Great interview. QXC is good at coming off honest and serious without looking like a dick like Idra can be.
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Uhh looks so uncomfortable holding the camera like that..shaky. Place it next time?
Other than that, QXC thinks like exactly as I think about the game, I always enjoy listen to this guy. I totaly understand his point of view about not reading the comments he gets on what he wrote etc aswell cuz the gaming scene is full of trolls and ignorant people. This guy is so freaking smart..people might not get it, but he is saying what he thinks, the sorry ass truth that is but he says this in a very manner way. If he dropped the F word a couple of more times and had a more intense attitude people would jawdrop and think he is stupid. But that's more IdrA's style and this is why I tend to think IdrA is so missunderstood by some people.
What QXC says about training makes so much sense. Even professional footballplayers sometimes just lie down on the couch for 2 hrs before the game to think ahead what he is gonna do vs the opponent he is gonna meet up with. Just study every units role in the specific map in the game before a very important game could be so freaking useful. Ladder is simply not enough. Playing vs koreans without taking notes and think straight and clearly just seems pointless.
I would love to see a NesTea interview (Artosis?) about how he practice and speaks with his teamm8s before an important game cuz NesTea's ways of thinking seem to be beyond everyone else that is Code S level. He might fail on other terms but his plans and strategy is like supersolid even tho it fails with a small missmicro or a missclick etc. People that knows the game can see what he tries to do but fails not due to the strat but due to other things as what I just said.
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What is it with the video player SK uses? It buffers incredibly slowly and you can't change video quality. A 22 minute interview will probably take 5 minutes to buffer on top of the actual length, while I could read a transcript of the interview in less time than it takes to buffer.
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On February 21 2012 22:53 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 22:48 LaughingTulkas wrote:On February 21 2012 22:40 Hider wrote:
What is QXC argument for "thinking about the game" for 4-5 hours and only play 4-5 hours?
Does koreans really do that? And even if that is true, did they only play 4-5 hours when they got their mechanical skills up to a decent level through BW?
I think this is a bad mentality, most ppl like to watch games/discuss strategy rather than laddering. IMO 99% of all players would benefit more by playing and less by "studying".
99% of players aren't pro players, and therefore have very bad mechanics. So in that case you're right. I kind of think that qxc was more specifically talking about pro players though. Just a guess. Well 99% of foreign players who want to get good (this excludes most bronze-diamond players, who mostly play for fun). But even pro gamers, why would they benefit more by playing "only 4-5 hours"? Whats the advantage compared to 8-10 hours? You still have a lot of time to think about the game, you can still watch like 20 reps/day, watch GSL vods and so on. You don't need to set time aside to think about the game. This is all you do when your a pro game, you think about sc2, because thats basically your life. Maybe if we look at pro gamers (only) the number isn't 99%, but I still think 80-90% of foreign "pro players" would benefit by playing more. But where does that number come from? It seems absolutely random. From a logical perspective it makes little sense, and he used no real life exampels to back up his claim.
Pay attention, he explains himself. The more you exert yourself on proper practice the more 'rest' time you need. More valleys. 4-5 hours isn't an arbitrary number, it seems to be his preference/what he is capable of.
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On February 22 2012 05:57 ZessiM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 22:53 Hider wrote:On February 21 2012 22:48 LaughingTulkas wrote:On February 21 2012 22:40 Hider wrote:
What is QXC argument for "thinking about the game" for 4-5 hours and only play 4-5 hours?
Does koreans really do that? And even if that is true, did they only play 4-5 hours when they got their mechanical skills up to a decent level through BW?
I think this is a bad mentality, most ppl like to watch games/discuss strategy rather than laddering. IMO 99% of all players would benefit more by playing and less by "studying".
99% of players aren't pro players, and therefore have very bad mechanics. So in that case you're right. I kind of think that qxc was more specifically talking about pro players though. Just a guess. Well 99% of foreign players who want to get good (this excludes most bronze-diamond players, who mostly play for fun). But even pro gamers, why would they benefit more by playing "only 4-5 hours"? Whats the advantage compared to 8-10 hours? You still have a lot of time to think about the game, you can still watch like 20 reps/day, watch GSL vods and so on. You don't need to set time aside to think about the game. This is all you do when your a pro game, you think about sc2, because thats basically your life. Maybe if we look at pro gamers (only) the number isn't 99%, but I still think 80-90% of foreign "pro players" would benefit by playing more. But where does that number come from? It seems absolutely random. From a logical perspective it makes little sense, and he used no real life exampels to back up his claim. Pay attention, he explains himself. The more you exert yourself on proper practice the more 'rest' time you need. More valleys. 4-5 hours isn't an arbitrary number, it seems to be his preference/what he is capable of.
Indeed...apparently this is also how Flash practices, with half his practice time ingame and the other half analyzing his play.
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Pretty good interview. He seems to have the classic nerd "I'm right, no one else knows wtf they are talking about" mentality that these forums are awash in. Still, he had some good insights.
I like his view on Korean pro houses and that no one really knows what goes on there, even people that live in them. I've been getting the sense that even when foreigners live in a Korean pro house, they aren't practicing like the Koreans do, they are just massing Korean ladder games and maybe get a few games in with their house-mates. They really miss out on the in-depth discussion and grinding of certain matchups, probably because of the language barrier. Again, I don't KNOW this but it seems to be what is happening, and could explain why just "going to Korea" doesn't do much on its own.
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On February 22 2012 07:21 HardlyNever wrote:
Pretty good interview. He seems to have the classic nerd "I'm right, no one else knows wtf they are talking about" mentality that these forums are awash in. Still, he had some good insights.
I like his view on Korean pro houses and that no one really knows what goes on there, even people that live in them. I've been getting the sense that even when foreigners live in a Korean pro house, they aren't practicing like the Koreans do, they are just massing Korean ladder games and maybe get a few games in with their house-mates. They really miss out on the in-depth discussion and grinding of certain matchups, probably because of the language barrier. Again, I don't KNOW this but it seems to be what is happening, and could explain why just "going to Korea" doesn't do much on its own.
But hopefully by emphasizing this, it can draw more attention to the fact that foreigners are falling behind fast, and foreigners need to get better to spur the growth of international SC2.
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Very good interview. Looking forward to the rest.
QXC fighting.
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Awesome interview. Hearing QXC is so refreshing. He's not bitching or whining and he's not pretending like he knows it all. He's clearly a deep thinker, introspective, and willing to entertain "what could be" without just jumping to a conclusion right along with it.
Can't wait to see the rest of the interview.
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What QXC says echoes what I've heard from Spanishiwa on his stream. Laddering all day long is not efficient practice. Spanishiwa has stopped playing for a month and is only analyzing replays, then he's going to focus exclusively on improving mechanics for the next month -- pretty interesting technique and much more in line with the 'deliberate practice is better' theory.
He also takes a lot of notes. I'm always surprised that so many Pro players just rely on having everything in their head.
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On February 22 2012 05:57 ZessiM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 22:53 Hider wrote:On February 21 2012 22:48 LaughingTulkas wrote:On February 21 2012 22:40 Hider wrote:
What is QXC argument for "thinking about the game" for 4-5 hours and only play 4-5 hours?
Does koreans really do that? And even if that is true, did they only play 4-5 hours when they got their mechanical skills up to a decent level through BW?
I think this is a bad mentality, most ppl like to watch games/discuss strategy rather than laddering. IMO 99% of all players would benefit more by playing and less by "studying".
99% of players aren't pro players, and therefore have very bad mechanics. So in that case you're right. I kind of think that qxc was more specifically talking about pro players though. Just a guess. Well 99% of foreign players who want to get good (this excludes most bronze-diamond players, who mostly play for fun). But even pro gamers, why would they benefit more by playing "only 4-5 hours"? Whats the advantage compared to 8-10 hours? You still have a lot of time to think about the game, you can still watch like 20 reps/day, watch GSL vods and so on. You don't need to set time aside to think about the game. This is all you do when your a pro game, you think about sc2, because thats basically your life. Maybe if we look at pro gamers (only) the number isn't 99%, but I still think 80-90% of foreign "pro players" would benefit by playing more. But where does that number come from? It seems absolutely random. From a logical perspective it makes little sense, and he used no real life exampels to back up his claim. Pay attention, he explains himself. The more you exert yourself on proper practice the more 'rest' time you need. More valleys. 4-5 hours isn't an arbitrary number, it seems to be his preference/what he is capable of.
He isn't referring to him self. He is saying thats the optimal amount. If he was only talking about him self, then he miscommunicated imo.
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On February 22 2012 00:06 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 23:38 Hider wrote:On February 21 2012 23:17 bluQ wrote:On February 21 2012 22:40 Hider wrote:
What is QXC argument for "thinking about the game" for 4-5 hours and only play 4-5 hours?
Does koreans really do that? And even if that is true, did they only play 4-5 hours when they got their mechanical skills up to a decent level through BW?
I think this is a bad mentality, most ppl like to watch games/discuss strategy rather than laddering. IMO 99% of all players would benefit more by playing and less by "studying".
Compare it to real sports. Do you really think Football or Soccer player only kick balls? Not comparable. But if you could practice 100 freekicks a day instead of 50 you would most likely be better. Sure there is a optimal amount, but why is that 4-5 hours for sc2? Just seems like he is pulling a number of his ass, and this is gonna hurt a lot of players who now with good consicence can play less ladder games. but 50 freekicks that are better prepared/thought out are better than 100 freekicks where you don't think about what you're doing - that is what QXC is saying, fix and optimise your learning system don't just grind games
If you have twice as many hours to do free kick, then your gonna be a better freekicker (most likely). Thinking about how to do freekicks is not gonna help you as much as actually practising.
4-5 hours playtime day is not even close IMO to optimal amount. And since people genereally enjoy watching rather than playing, one shouldn't advice people to play less/"study" more.
The thing is. Its only cus its QXC saying that. If this was your random master league player, everybody would laugh at this. If QXC actually was one of the best foreigner by only pracitisng 4-5 hours then that would give it some credibitliy, but he isn't. (Now i am expecting to be told that he is much better than me and that he allkilled team IM...)
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qxc has a negative amount of fucks to give.
and yet everything he says is spot on.
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I used to like QXC, but he seems more the guy who thinks: I tell truth, the others are stupid. Calling the foreigners terrible, well most of them are less terrible than him so maybe they could teach him a few things.
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