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Polygamy
Austria1114 Posts
On February 22 2012 03:46 MelodyBW wrote: It's not the race, terran wins a lot because of it's players I think part of this is true but its alos because Terran have so many more options and builds then the other two races. | ||
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
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RodYan
United States126 Posts
On February 22 2012 03:41 Jouissance wrote: Think about this guys: Blizzard's internal balance team thought terran was fine when the game came out. 5 rax reaper? Legit. No problems. Zerg can't 15 hatch and must pool first even versus terran? Legit. No problems. Do you really trust them to be making these changes and not putting them on a PTR? Hate to burst everyone's bubble, but blizzard might not know what they're doing. Welcom to TeamLiquid. Did you really create an account just to whine about the same thing in the same thread twice? On topic: I also got a patch today that says 1.4.2. Are the 1.4.3 changes actually in this patch? | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On February 22 2012 03:48 Polygamy wrote: I think part of this is true but its alos because Terran have so many more options and builds then the other two races. So instead of finding ways to give the other races more options they dumb down the ones with options ? That doesn't sound like good patch politics to me . Zerg without having to rely on fast expanding everytime or Protoss without their heavy reliance on Warpgate for example is something Blizzard could've looked into . But they're dumbing down the game to a few builds for everyone now shut up and be happy with it playing the same shit over an over again. | ||
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luck_star21
United States264 Posts
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Jouissance
United States3 Posts
On February 22 2012 03:49 RodYan wrote: Welcom to TeamLiquid. Did you really create an account just to whine about the same thing in the same thread twice? On topic: I also got a patch today that says 1.4.2. Are the 1.4.3 changes actually in this patch? Haha, no i made this account about a week ago and didn't want to share my opinion on anything else yet. I'm not whining about the patch. I'm whining about the way they implemented it. Please develop manners.. | ||
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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
On February 22 2012 03:36 dAPhREAk wrote: i would say those were cost-effective ghosts if they killed all of his infestors and lived..... having an inferior economy, then getting your 200/100 unit to kill a 100/150 unit isn't really cost effective. why do you want your ghosts to live? it doesn't matter how the infestors die... the ghosts still become dead wood. it's blizzard effectively saying "dooooont worry zerg, you can be retarded and run your infestor ball into siege tanks and the terran can't punish you because he's being weighed down by gimp ghosts - hahahaha!! shhhh don't tell them but the ghost cost change was actually a nerf to marines!". | ||
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lowercase
Canada1047 Posts
On February 22 2012 03:46 MelodyBW wrote: It's not the race, terran wins a lot because of it's players This is a terrible fallacy. Plenty of great players *chose* Terran because it was definitively the best race when SC2 came out. Still, despite all the endless nerfs, Terran is doing pretty well. It has the most builds, the most diversity of play, the best micro options, the most forgiving macro mechanics, and has few build orders that auto lose. Don't give me that "Terran players are better" bull. | ||
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chestnutcc
India429 Posts
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Vague
170 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On February 22 2012 03:54 shizna wrote: having an inferior economy, then getting your 200/100 unit to kill a 100/150 unit isn't really cost effective. why do you want your ghosts to live? it doesn't matter how the infestors die... the ghosts still become dead wood. it's blizzard effectively saying "dooooont worry zerg, you can be retarded and run your infestor ball into siege tanks and the terran can't punish you because he's being weighed down by gimp ghosts - hahahaha!! shhhh don't tell them but the ghost cost change was actually a nerf to marines!". sorry to burst your bubble, but ghosts actually do stuff other than snipe. they have a base damage in addition to their other abilities. infestors without energy are completely useless. ghosts without energy can still do some serious damage, especially to light units (ala mutalisks), and can be healed. | ||
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Sotark
Canada66 Posts
And, so i don't get warned for that ill give my 2 cents. I think they really shouldve followed QXC's advice, and made the ghost snipe the same, but -50%DMG or something for massive. Because now, i can't really think of a way to effectively use ghosts anymore.For the investment, I feel like terran has 3 or 4 other better options now, Ravens, banshees. etc | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
On February 22 2012 03:57 Vague wrote: The patch is up. Can someone tell me what is the cost of the phoenix upgrade? I can't long into the game on this computer. Someone posted a screenshot of it being 150/150, but when I tried to get it in single player I only saw the carrier upgrade. The bottom left of my menu screen did say I was using 1.4.3 so I don't know what's going on. | ||
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p1cKLes
United States342 Posts
On February 22 2012 03:43 dAPhREAk wrote: terran won the last three GSLs, Code-S (August, October, November). http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_Starcraft_II_League and how many terran are there in the current GSL, Code S?? hrmmm.... http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_1/Code_S yeah, they are doing pretty bad in GSL. I’m not sure anyone is saying that Terran doesn’t have the ability to win GSL’s? But I don’t believe winning a GSL automatically equates to being OP. Terran is an extremely difficult race to master. If you look at the statistics in silver, gold, platinum and diamond they show Terran significantly behind their counter parts, but if you manage to get over the hurdle and become a code S multi-tasking god, then you too can be a GSL champion. Unfortunately, that’s the minority and we are the majority which means most of us are all stuck pulling are hair out. I’ve also been of the opinion that Terran’s metagame was developing at a much quicker rate than the other 2 races, which left both Zerg and Protoss always trying to catch up with the metagame shifts. I remember when there was a new strategy coming out on a weekly basis for Terran. Now, I think we are at a state where Terran’s metagame is slowing down. Zerg and Protoss have pretty much figured out how to properly defend most of Terrans timing attacks. I think this is where you are going to start see Protoss and Zerg shine. The other statistic I would point to is the length of each game showing that Terran obviously feels the need to end the game quickly, because their ability to win mid and late game significantly decreases as Protoss Techs up and Zerg Macro’s up. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9016 Posts
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goswser
United States3548 Posts
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ETisME
12898 Posts
On February 22 2012 03:50 s3rp wrote: So instead of finding ways to give the other races more options they dumb down the ones with options ? That doesn't sound like good patch politics to me . Zerg without having to rely on fast expanding everytime or Protoss without their heavy reliance on Warpgate for example is something Blizzard could've looked into . But they're dumbing down the game to a few builds for everyone now shut up and be happy with it playing the same shit over an over again. that's the race design. What you are saying is like saying not needing a queen when you are playing Z and it would work out fine. If zerg doesn't need fast expanding, then blizzard basically needs to buff all the zerg units so that they are cost efficient enough to stay equal base as the other race. They aren't dumbing down the game, they are reducing the effectiveness of certain strategies so that the match ups can be developed further. | ||
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Sotark
Canada66 Posts
On February 22 2012 04:04 LuckyFool wrote: So the patch is fucked? Is GM out on NA yet? Yes, it is. "YaTa " is ranked 1, Protoss. Not sure who that is honestly. | ||
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Watsonator
United States43 Posts
On February 22 2012 03:57 Vague wrote: The patch is up. Can someone tell me what is the cost of the phoenix upgrade? I can't long into the game on this computer. Just loaded up a single player game, here is my screenie and confirmation. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9AEXv.jpg) | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46570 Posts
On February 22 2012 04:05 Sotark wrote: Yes, it is. "YaTa " is ranked 1, Protoss. Not sure who that is honestly. Server's up for me  I see 16 people in GM- only Pokebunny I recognize. Maybe they have to play a game after the new patch is up (once servers come back up) to get promoted? That makes sense, and I hope to see more well-known faces soon o.O | ||
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