• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:29
CEST 16:29
KST 23:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 236ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion5BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion5Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon445.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40
StarCraft 2
General
Most successful SC2 players of Q2 2026 Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch
Tourneys
IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! [ASL22] Wildcard Qualifier [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5908 users

Team Reign Disbands - Page 11

Forum Index > SC2 General
743 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 38 Next All
Dispersion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Korea (South)504 Posts
February 17 2012 00:48 GMT
#201
dude poor Axslav...but he and Kiwi will be HUGE pickups for anyone looking.
Don't worry. Taht's just Halo
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
February 17 2012 00:48 GMT
#202
On February 17 2012 09:39 nick1689 wrote:
coLAxslav maybe? Theyve got the new announcement coming out soon

How active is Kiwi? I havent heard much about him lately


That's because there haven't been any tournaments lately -__-
Swwww
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Switzerland812 Posts
February 17 2012 00:48 GMT
#203
Shame Good luck guys
"What is this TeamSupportGroup?" - mahnini.
V1PeR
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria19 Posts
February 17 2012 00:48 GMT
#204
Gg,gl hf to all from Reign, see you soon with new teams.
Q'.'(Q
BlackCloud
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada154 Posts
February 17 2012 00:48 GMT
#205
sad to see a team go down, im sure lots of them will get offerings from other teams, Axlavs situation is kinda sad. Wish good luck to them, i dont find that i ever heard much about the team when they were alive. I dont know if this is on my part or theirs but players like Slush and KiWiKaKi i feel like i heard more about them prior to team reign. I hope to see these players get more noticed.
kcbgoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland156 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 00:50:15
February 17 2012 00:48 GMT
#206
6 seconds of this movie represents my reaction :/



Good luck to all players.
-ReD-
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada167 Posts
February 17 2012 00:49 GMT
#207
k come on they had good players, good sponsors and a good fan base. Don't know what they did wrong but I blame management.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
February 17 2012 00:50 GMT
#208
I bet their progaming house was sucking up a huge amount of money and was unsustainable in the long run.

That or IPL decided their streams weren't generating enough attention to be considered a worthwhile investment for the house.

I wish each and every one of those players good luck (you guys had awesome jerseys @ MLG ) and hope they can find new teams quickly and continue their pro career.
turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 01:08:10
February 17 2012 00:50 GMT
#209
On February 17 2012 09:41 Piledriver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2012 09:26 turamn wrote:
Can't really say that it matters all that much, honestly. They were a middling North American team who never accomplished much. Sucks for the guys who have to need to find new teams, but when you don't post any results at all, you can't expect to stick around forever.

EDIT: For all the people who will quote this and say that I'm a douchebag, it is what it is. Sorry for being a realist.


Spoken like a true idiot who doesnt understand how a sporting scene works. In any sport, there needs to be the underdogs, middle level contenders and top level champions in order for the scene to thrive and to allow new talent to rise up through the ranks of the game. Look at the Korean scene for example.Without a team like ZeNeX or the old fOu team, we wouldnt have any of the new talent that we see on the scene today (like Byun, Puzzle, Taeja and so on).

The easiest way to identify the death of the game is when all the lower level teams start dying or disbanding, and only a few top level teams and top level players remain who keep playing over and over in the all the tournaments and finally the competition dies out(just look at wc3).

In reality, I am more worried when a middle level team or a low level team dies out. These teams form the pillars of the scene, and the players in these teams are usually talented individuals who perform exceptionally well, considering the limited resources and practise environments that they are provided with. But they would definitely have a harder time getting recognized and picked up by other teams. I would not worry so much if a team like EG or mouz disbands, because I know for sure that these players would get easily picked up by any team, and they will continue to play the game in some form or the other.

So next time you post such senseless shit, step back for a minute and think about what you post, and whether it makes any sense.


I don't think you can apply this to this situation. The need for low level teams is diminished by a number of things. Talent develops on the ladder and through their own practice, you don't even get on a low level team if you can't establish yourself there.


And honestly, a low level North American team in the current competitive Starcraft 2 team, is in reality, a glorified team of ladder players. When the top tier Noth American players can barely break the ice in Korea, then what chance do any of these people have? You're going on and on about how I'm an idiot because I don't understand how it works, but when, in reality, you flat out ignore the fact that there's absolutely no value in a low level North American team.

If you're going to make examples of the Korean teams, it's different. The players / culture there is different. They are just flat out better. B team or ladder players in Korea were better than most of the players on ReIGN. There isn't a lot of talent in North America, especially not enough to make this comparison. Could this change? Maybe, but right now, the only way it's changing is the North American teams are BUYING out koreans. Even low level North American teams have resorted to it.

You look at it from a talent standpoint only -- you completely ignore the financial aspects of the situation. Think about it, if a low level North American team, who posts no results, has one of the largest sponsors in the business, can't stick around, what chance do other teams have with no sponsors at all? The reality of it is, very little. Why does EG still exist? Because they have a shit load of sponsors to bring in cash, even when their players aren't winning tournaments.

If you want to compare to other sports scenes, look at MLB. The single, double, and triple A squads exist to develop talent, yes. But how do they exist? Have you ever been to one of these games? There's absolutely no-one there. They exist because their Major league equivalent turns enough profit to finance them to develop talent. MONEY. They don't exist because teams just want to find someone who will help their team. Of course they want their team to get better, but you just don't say "Hey, heres a facility, equipment and food and other necessities for living. Good Luck and hope to see you in the bigs soon!". It's all about money. It's all about results.

If you want to compare low level teams to these A class organizations, look what's missing for most of them. Money. They have people who want to get better, but there's a million of those. They need money to finance it. In a system like SC2 where there are only so many sponsors to go around, who are they going to give their money to? Jo blow big time Timmy Jim and his brother who try real hard and practice and compete in tournaments, only to get dog stomped. Or fucking MVP who enters every tournament and is immediately the favorite to win.

TLDR: If you're good, people will find out, with or without a low level team. Need to make money or post results, Reign apparently did neither. Limited money to go around. Not worth investing as sponsor in low level team when you can post money to big dogs.
Tek_
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada55 Posts
February 17 2012 00:50 GMT
#210
I hate to say it, but this is a good lesson to all the teams out there trying to establish themselves. To make it in the long run a team has to establish itself not only through talent, but financially. Being over ambitious can be costly as we see here. Good luck to all the players.
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
February 17 2012 00:50 GMT
#211
Was just discussed on Scanner Sweep so catch the VOD of that.

As something from their to note no reign player will be joining complexity of one of the three they've announced.
@followMVT
striderxxx
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada443 Posts
February 17 2012 00:51 GMT
#212
ah so kiwikaki is rejoining roots!!
Green Sun s Zenith
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada85 Posts
February 17 2012 00:52 GMT
#213
Seems like Axlav saw it coming , every time someone asked him about his team he would just say " it's good " probably just me but seemed like he didnt like it . Anyway I know he and the rest of the players will find another great team it's just a matter of time.
"The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the International bankers." — Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. P
Jaisse
Profile Joined November 2011
United States66 Posts
February 17 2012 00:52 GMT
#214
They just recruited Axslav too.
VTPerfect
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States487 Posts
February 17 2012 00:54 GMT
#215
suspected this would probably happen
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
February 17 2012 00:55 GMT
#216
Makes sense; it didn't seem like the team was going anywhere and there's no way it was a good investment for anyone involved. If anything, it seemed like a way for sponsors to throw their money away.
Actually, you know what? Sponsors would get more publicity for their brand by throwing their money away than they did through Reign.

This really sucks for the players though, since they represent the some of the best the NA scene as to offer (and the Koreans are damn good too, duh).

Here's hoping most of them can get picked up in the coming weeks. Thankfully, it didn't seem like many of the players were all that active or dependent on SC2 for their livelihood.
brobrah
Profile Joined April 2011
220 Posts
February 17 2012 00:55 GMT
#217
Really strange that they signed Axslav. They had to know that things weren't the best if only a month after they have to disband. Really weird. I'd be more than a little annoyed if I were Ax.
I want to be the next Chris Loranger for SC3
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
February 17 2012 00:56 GMT
#218
I have no doubt in my mind that all these players will find new teams at some point. These guys are all quality players and would be a real asset to any team that could pick them up.

Go Axslav!
#1 Jaehoon Fan! 김재훈 화팅!
AoWInSomNiac
Profile Joined September 2011
United States12 Posts
February 17 2012 00:56 GMT
#219
coL.KiWiKaKi
coL.SLush
coL.Axslav
Errare humanum est
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 17 2012 00:56 GMT
#220
Is it just me or is the NA scene a bit of a mess right now? All the best players have "fled" to Korea and what is left doesn't really do well competitively. In fact you barely hear of these teams unless MLG is on, and it's been a while since the last one.
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 38 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
SC Evo League
12:00
SEL S3 Ladder Invitational
ByuN vs Classic
Cure vs Solar
IntoTheiNu 1058
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 767
Rex 154
trigger 66
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 29559
Calm 3336
Shuttle 1403
Mini 1031
BeSt 912
Horang2 795
Hyuk 553
Jaedong 519
Soma 403
Stork 263
[ Show more ]
EffOrt 263
Larva 237
ggaemo 143
Last 109
Soulkey 81
Snow 77
sorry 62
soO 60
sSak 46
Free 44
ToSsGirL 35
Sexy 33
Rock 19
IntoTheRainbow 16
GoRush 15
Yoon 12
Dota 2
Gorgc9011
Dendi891
XaKoH 523
XcaliburYe136
420jenkins45
LuMiX1
Other Games
gofns12271
FrodaN3790
singsing2491
DeMusliM502
Lowko455
ToD185
Hui .133
KnowMe118
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick30804
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 21
• StrangeGG 18
• Response 16
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
IPSL
1h 31m
Dragon vs Ret
Patches Events
1h 31m
RSL Revival
18h 31m
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19h 31m
IPSL
1d 1h
Bonyth vs Hawk
GSL
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.