• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:35
CEST 11:35
KST 18:35
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202533RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams4Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension4
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 1 - Final Week Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams BW General Discussion ASL20 Preliminary Maps BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL
Tourneys
[CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 664 users

Team Reign Disbands - Page 11

Forum Index > SC2 General
743 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 38 Next All
Dispersion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Korea (South)504 Posts
February 17 2012 00:48 GMT
#201
dude poor Axslav...but he and Kiwi will be HUGE pickups for anyone looking.
Don't worry. Taht's just Halo
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
February 17 2012 00:48 GMT
#202
On February 17 2012 09:39 nick1689 wrote:
coLAxslav maybe? Theyve got the new announcement coming out soon

How active is Kiwi? I havent heard much about him lately


That's because there haven't been any tournaments lately -__-
Swwww
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Switzerland812 Posts
February 17 2012 00:48 GMT
#203
Shame Good luck guys
"What is this TeamSupportGroup?" - mahnini.
V1PeR
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria19 Posts
February 17 2012 00:48 GMT
#204
Gg,gl hf to all from Reign, see you soon with new teams.
Q'.'(Q
BlackCloud
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada154 Posts
February 17 2012 00:48 GMT
#205
sad to see a team go down, im sure lots of them will get offerings from other teams, Axlavs situation is kinda sad. Wish good luck to them, i dont find that i ever heard much about the team when they were alive. I dont know if this is on my part or theirs but players like Slush and KiWiKaKi i feel like i heard more about them prior to team reign. I hope to see these players get more noticed.
kcbgoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland156 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 00:50:15
February 17 2012 00:48 GMT
#206
6 seconds of this movie represents my reaction :/



Good luck to all players.
-ReD-
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada167 Posts
February 17 2012 00:49 GMT
#207
k come on they had good players, good sponsors and a good fan base. Don't know what they did wrong but I blame management.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
February 17 2012 00:50 GMT
#208
I bet their progaming house was sucking up a huge amount of money and was unsustainable in the long run.

That or IPL decided their streams weren't generating enough attention to be considered a worthwhile investment for the house.

I wish each and every one of those players good luck (you guys had awesome jerseys @ MLG ) and hope they can find new teams quickly and continue their pro career.
turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 01:08:10
February 17 2012 00:50 GMT
#209
On February 17 2012 09:41 Piledriver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2012 09:26 turamn wrote:
Can't really say that it matters all that much, honestly. They were a middling North American team who never accomplished much. Sucks for the guys who have to need to find new teams, but when you don't post any results at all, you can't expect to stick around forever.

EDIT: For all the people who will quote this and say that I'm a douchebag, it is what it is. Sorry for being a realist.


Spoken like a true idiot who doesnt understand how a sporting scene works. In any sport, there needs to be the underdogs, middle level contenders and top level champions in order for the scene to thrive and to allow new talent to rise up through the ranks of the game. Look at the Korean scene for example.Without a team like ZeNeX or the old fOu team, we wouldnt have any of the new talent that we see on the scene today (like Byun, Puzzle, Taeja and so on).

The easiest way to identify the death of the game is when all the lower level teams start dying or disbanding, and only a few top level teams and top level players remain who keep playing over and over in the all the tournaments and finally the competition dies out(just look at wc3).

In reality, I am more worried when a middle level team or a low level team dies out. These teams form the pillars of the scene, and the players in these teams are usually talented individuals who perform exceptionally well, considering the limited resources and practise environments that they are provided with. But they would definitely have a harder time getting recognized and picked up by other teams. I would not worry so much if a team like EG or mouz disbands, because I know for sure that these players would get easily picked up by any team, and they will continue to play the game in some form or the other.

So next time you post such senseless shit, step back for a minute and think about what you post, and whether it makes any sense.


I don't think you can apply this to this situation. The need for low level teams is diminished by a number of things. Talent develops on the ladder and through their own practice, you don't even get on a low level team if you can't establish yourself there.


And honestly, a low level North American team in the current competitive Starcraft 2 team, is in reality, a glorified team of ladder players. When the top tier Noth American players can barely break the ice in Korea, then what chance do any of these people have? You're going on and on about how I'm an idiot because I don't understand how it works, but when, in reality, you flat out ignore the fact that there's absolutely no value in a low level North American team.

If you're going to make examples of the Korean teams, it's different. The players / culture there is different. They are just flat out better. B team or ladder players in Korea were better than most of the players on ReIGN. There isn't a lot of talent in North America, especially not enough to make this comparison. Could this change? Maybe, but right now, the only way it's changing is the North American teams are BUYING out koreans. Even low level North American teams have resorted to it.

You look at it from a talent standpoint only -- you completely ignore the financial aspects of the situation. Think about it, if a low level North American team, who posts no results, has one of the largest sponsors in the business, can't stick around, what chance do other teams have with no sponsors at all? The reality of it is, very little. Why does EG still exist? Because they have a shit load of sponsors to bring in cash, even when their players aren't winning tournaments.

If you want to compare to other sports scenes, look at MLB. The single, double, and triple A squads exist to develop talent, yes. But how do they exist? Have you ever been to one of these games? There's absolutely no-one there. They exist because their Major league equivalent turns enough profit to finance them to develop talent. MONEY. They don't exist because teams just want to find someone who will help their team. Of course they want their team to get better, but you just don't say "Hey, heres a facility, equipment and food and other necessities for living. Good Luck and hope to see you in the bigs soon!". It's all about money. It's all about results.

If you want to compare low level teams to these A class organizations, look what's missing for most of them. Money. They have people who want to get better, but there's a million of those. They need money to finance it. In a system like SC2 where there are only so many sponsors to go around, who are they going to give their money to? Jo blow big time Timmy Jim and his brother who try real hard and practice and compete in tournaments, only to get dog stomped. Or fucking MVP who enters every tournament and is immediately the favorite to win.

TLDR: If you're good, people will find out, with or without a low level team. Need to make money or post results, Reign apparently did neither. Limited money to go around. Not worth investing as sponsor in low level team when you can post money to big dogs.
Tek_
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada55 Posts
February 17 2012 00:50 GMT
#210
I hate to say it, but this is a good lesson to all the teams out there trying to establish themselves. To make it in the long run a team has to establish itself not only through talent, but financially. Being over ambitious can be costly as we see here. Good luck to all the players.
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
February 17 2012 00:50 GMT
#211
Was just discussed on Scanner Sweep so catch the VOD of that.

As something from their to note no reign player will be joining complexity of one of the three they've announced.
@followMVT
striderxxx
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada443 Posts
February 17 2012 00:51 GMT
#212
ah so kiwikaki is rejoining roots!!
Green Sun s Zenith
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada85 Posts
February 17 2012 00:52 GMT
#213
Seems like Axlav saw it coming , every time someone asked him about his team he would just say " it's good " probably just me but seemed like he didnt like it . Anyway I know he and the rest of the players will find another great team it's just a matter of time.
"The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen. There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the International bankers." — Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. P
Jaisse
Profile Joined November 2011
United States66 Posts
February 17 2012 00:52 GMT
#214
They just recruited Axslav too.
VTPerfect
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States487 Posts
February 17 2012 00:54 GMT
#215
suspected this would probably happen
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
February 17 2012 00:55 GMT
#216
Makes sense; it didn't seem like the team was going anywhere and there's no way it was a good investment for anyone involved. If anything, it seemed like a way for sponsors to throw their money away.
Actually, you know what? Sponsors would get more publicity for their brand by throwing their money away than they did through Reign.

This really sucks for the players though, since they represent the some of the best the NA scene as to offer (and the Koreans are damn good too, duh).

Here's hoping most of them can get picked up in the coming weeks. Thankfully, it didn't seem like many of the players were all that active or dependent on SC2 for their livelihood.
brobrah
Profile Joined April 2011
220 Posts
February 17 2012 00:55 GMT
#217
Really strange that they signed Axslav. They had to know that things weren't the best if only a month after they have to disband. Really weird. I'd be more than a little annoyed if I were Ax.
I want to be the next Chris Loranger for SC3
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2060 Posts
February 17 2012 00:56 GMT
#218
I have no doubt in my mind that all these players will find new teams at some point. These guys are all quality players and would be a real asset to any team that could pick them up.

Go Axslav!
#1 Jaehoon Fan! 김재훈 화팅!
AoWInSomNiac
Profile Joined September 2011
United States12 Posts
February 17 2012 00:56 GMT
#219
coL.KiWiKaKi
coL.SLush
coL.Axslav
Errare humanum est
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 17 2012 00:56 GMT
#220
Is it just me or is the NA scene a bit of a mess right now? All the best players have "fled" to Korea and what is left doesn't really do well competitively. In fact you barely hear of these teams unless MLG is on, and it's been a while since the last one.
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 38 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 25m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 252
ProTech68
Hui .56
StarCraft: Brood War
Nal_rA 11400
Hyuk 2646
ggaemo 614
Jaedong 546
ToSsGirL 250
Mini 222
Hyun 168
EffOrt 168
Pusan 155
Soma 60
[ Show more ]
Sacsri 54
soO 38
Backho 37
Sharp 32
Rush 29
NaDa 26
ajuk12(nOOB) 18
Bale 9
ivOry 3
ZerO 1
Britney 0
Dota 2
XcaliburYe231
BananaSlamJamma168
Fuzer 83
Counter-Strike
fl0m625
sgares131
oskar109
Super Smash Bros
Westballz1
Other Games
singsing887
ceh9602
SortOf103
crisheroes86
ZerO(Twitch)0
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1053
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH453
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV328
• lizZardDota276
Upcoming Events
Esports World Cup
25m
ByuN vs Zoun
SHIN vs TriGGeR
Cyan vs ShoWTimE
Rogue vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs Solar
Reynor vs Maru
herO vs Cure
Serral vs Classic
3DClanTV 42
CranKy Ducklings20
Esports World Cup
1d
Esports World Cup
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Online Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.