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Still not sure why I'd pay when their competition offers the same thing for free. I don't see any moral or intrinsic issue to get all worked up about, but there's no way I'm spending money I shouldn't have to.
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I'll be buying the pass for $20, however, I understand that for many people that is too expensive. I still encourage as many of you as possible to band together and buy a pass to share for the weekend, if you can't afford the $20 alone.
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There is also the fact that most people CAN'T watch an entire week-end of SC2. Therefore, paying 20$ for the live content is retarded, when I would probably just be watching 3-4 hours of it live, anyway. I can't just stop to do everything and just watch SC2 a complete week-end just because it's MLG. I would like to, but I just can't. Therefore, 20$ is not worth it, at all, when I will have to rely on VOD anyway.
That's why, I think, that GSL is a better model. 20 hours of content is too much on a single week-end, for many.
Winter Arena on a month or two. One hour or two of content live content, 3 times a week... even PPV only, I would buy it instantly.
And it does feels more epic that way, too... it's like a long story. The hype is building up by itself during all the event...
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On February 15 2012 00:05 quantumslip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 00:01 NoobSkills wrote:
The Free Model works for the NFL. Sundance is Scrooge minus the revalation at the end of the story.
Wasn't Sundance on a talk show boasting that MLG alone is a 150 million dollar buisness each year? Holding only what 5 events (i think) last year. They are just trying to make money and I won't give them a dime. I don't like paying for the GSL either, but they keep advertising simple and reasonable. During the cast the sponsors are given a few shoutouts, but nothing crazy and when watching a vod there is a simple 15(ish) second commercial that doesn't have the volume boosted so fucking loud that I have to mute my speakers. If teams were getting more of the money and the prize pools were much larger at MLG events I could perhaps justify paying for this, but when you brag about making 150 million, but have a low payout for every event except the final, charge the customer for a stream, and have generally less content per dollar when compared to the rest of the organizations I can't support you.
MLG - Major League Greed do please quote the $150 million, because that seems to be an outlandish accusation to make without any context/basis.
Last I saw MLG doesn't make any money; they actually bleed it by the millions and need VC funds to stay afloat. This guy is just talking out of his ass.
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On February 15 2012 00:01 NoobSkills wrote:
The Free Model works for the NFL. Sundance is Scrooge minus the revalation at the end of the story.
Wasn't Sundance on a talk show boasting that MLG alone is a 150 million dollar buisness each year? Holding only what 5 events (i think) last year. They are just trying to make money and I won't give them a dime. I don't like paying for the GSL either, but they keep advertising simple and reasonable. During the cast the sponsors are given a few shoutouts, but nothing crazy and when watching a vod there is a simple 15(ish) second commercial that doesn't have the volume boosted so fucking loud that I have to mute my speakers. If teams were getting more of the money and the prize pools were much larger at MLG events I could perhaps justify paying for this, but when you brag about making 150 million, but have a low payout for every event except the final, charge the customer for a stream, and have generally less content per dollar when compared to the rest of the organizations I can't support you.
MLG - Major League Greed
MLG hasn't made a single cent out of sc2 so far, I believe. You are deluded and/or ignorant
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I'd consider buying it if it was SC2 + LoL/DotA2, but only for SC2 ? No way, even for 10$.
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On February 15 2012 00:09 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 00:01 NoobSkills wrote:
The Free Model works for the NFL. Sundance is Scrooge minus the revalation at the end of the story.
Wasn't Sundance on a talk show boasting that MLG alone is a 150 million dollar buisness each year? Holding only what 5 events (i think) last year. They are just trying to make money and I won't give them a dime. I don't like paying for the GSL either, but they keep advertising simple and reasonable. During the cast the sponsors are given a few shoutouts, but nothing crazy and when watching a vod there is a simple 15(ish) second commercial that doesn't have the volume boosted so fucking loud that I have to mute my speakers. If teams were getting more of the money and the prize pools were much larger at MLG events I could perhaps justify paying for this, but when you brag about making 150 million, but have a low payout for every event except the final, charge the customer for a stream, and have generally less content per dollar when compared to the rest of the organizations I can't support you.
MLG - Major League Greed MLG hasn't made a single cent out of sc2 so far, I believe. You are deluded and/or ignorant
why would you think that?
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TIL, 38% of the SC2 community are Penny Pinchers
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While I would probably have bought a $20 dollar ticket just to support MLG, but Assembly is happening the same weekend, I just can't justify paying 20 or even 10 bucks for something that I probably won't watch in it's entirity.
So yes, I would encourage MLG to lower the price to ~$10 and if we're lucky, next time it won't overlap with any other events and I'll certainly purchase a ticket.
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On February 15 2012 00:13 TooL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 00:09 syllogism wrote:On February 15 2012 00:01 NoobSkills wrote:
The Free Model works for the NFL. Sundance is Scrooge minus the revalation at the end of the story.
Wasn't Sundance on a talk show boasting that MLG alone is a 150 million dollar buisness each year? Holding only what 5 events (i think) last year. They are just trying to make money and I won't give them a dime. I don't like paying for the GSL either, but they keep advertising simple and reasonable. During the cast the sponsors are given a few shoutouts, but nothing crazy and when watching a vod there is a simple 15(ish) second commercial that doesn't have the volume boosted so fucking loud that I have to mute my speakers. If teams were getting more of the money and the prize pools were much larger at MLG events I could perhaps justify paying for this, but when you brag about making 150 million, but have a low payout for every event except the final, charge the customer for a stream, and have generally less content per dollar when compared to the rest of the organizations I can't support you.
MLG - Major League Greed MLG hasn't made a single cent out of sc2 so far, I believe. You are deluded and/or ignorant why would you think that?
Because Sundance managed to convince some people that MLG employees have put their lives on the line to promote and grow this scene. With comments like "We've put way more money than we made into these events". Which of course it is bullshit, since I'm pretty sure that MLG has had some financial backing (otherwise how would of they been able to prepay for the flights and accomodations already?) that is not a second mortgage on Sundance's house.
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On February 15 2012 00:13 TooL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 00:09 syllogism wrote:On February 15 2012 00:01 NoobSkills wrote:
The Free Model works for the NFL. Sundance is Scrooge minus the revalation at the end of the story.
Wasn't Sundance on a talk show boasting that MLG alone is a 150 million dollar buisness each year? Holding only what 5 events (i think) last year. They are just trying to make money and I won't give them a dime. I don't like paying for the GSL either, but they keep advertising simple and reasonable. During the cast the sponsors are given a few shoutouts, but nothing crazy and when watching a vod there is a simple 15(ish) second commercial that doesn't have the volume boosted so fucking loud that I have to mute my speakers. If teams were getting more of the money and the prize pools were much larger at MLG events I could perhaps justify paying for this, but when you brag about making 150 million, but have a low payout for every event except the final, charge the customer for a stream, and have generally less content per dollar when compared to the rest of the organizations I can't support you.
MLG - Major League Greed MLG hasn't made a single cent out of sc2 so far, I believe. You are deluded and/or ignorant why would you think that?
Sundance literally tweeted last night " I and MLG have put more money into SCII than we have gotten out of it." Read that as you will, but that tells me MLG did not turn a profit in 2011
And to the person above me, ya Sundance did convince some people. We call those people INVESTORS, learn about the world please. You can have "financial backing" while bleeding money.
MLG Secures an Additional 10 Million in Financing
MLG Sucures 25 million from Oak Hill
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On February 15 2012 00:18 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 00:13 TooL wrote:On February 15 2012 00:09 syllogism wrote:On February 15 2012 00:01 NoobSkills wrote:
The Free Model works for the NFL. Sundance is Scrooge minus the revalation at the end of the story.
Wasn't Sundance on a talk show boasting that MLG alone is a 150 million dollar buisness each year? Holding only what 5 events (i think) last year. They are just trying to make money and I won't give them a dime. I don't like paying for the GSL either, but they keep advertising simple and reasonable. During the cast the sponsors are given a few shoutouts, but nothing crazy and when watching a vod there is a simple 15(ish) second commercial that doesn't have the volume boosted so fucking loud that I have to mute my speakers. If teams were getting more of the money and the prize pools were much larger at MLG events I could perhaps justify paying for this, but when you brag about making 150 million, but have a low payout for every event except the final, charge the customer for a stream, and have generally less content per dollar when compared to the rest of the organizations I can't support you.
MLG - Major League Greed MLG hasn't made a single cent out of sc2 so far, I believe. You are deluded and/or ignorant why would you think that? Because Sundance managed to convince some people that MLG employees have put their lives on the line to promote and grow this scene. With comments like "We've put way more money than we made into these events". Which of course it is bullshit, since I'm pretty sure that MLG has had some financial backing (otherwise how would of they been able to prepay for the flights and accomodations already?) that is not a second mortgage on Sundance's house.
It's completely different to say MLG hasn't made any money than to say their employees have not. They are of course being paid salaries, but even for the irrational company hating section of teamliquid that should be perfectly acceptable and even good.
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While I'll be paying for the Winter Arena I'm a gold member and I think it would make a lot of sense to offer a discount to Gold members.
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On February 15 2012 00:18 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 00:13 TooL wrote:On February 15 2012 00:09 syllogism wrote:On February 15 2012 00:01 NoobSkills wrote:
The Free Model works for the NFL. Sundance is Scrooge minus the revalation at the end of the story.
Wasn't Sundance on a talk show boasting that MLG alone is a 150 million dollar buisness each year? Holding only what 5 events (i think) last year. They are just trying to make money and I won't give them a dime. I don't like paying for the GSL either, but they keep advertising simple and reasonable. During the cast the sponsors are given a few shoutouts, but nothing crazy and when watching a vod there is a simple 15(ish) second commercial that doesn't have the volume boosted so fucking loud that I have to mute my speakers. If teams were getting more of the money and the prize pools were much larger at MLG events I could perhaps justify paying for this, but when you brag about making 150 million, but have a low payout for every event except the final, charge the customer for a stream, and have generally less content per dollar when compared to the rest of the organizations I can't support you.
MLG - Major League Greed MLG hasn't made a single cent out of sc2 so far, I believe. You are deluded and/or ignorant why would you think that? Because Sundance managed to convince some people that MLG employees have put their lives on the line to promote and grow this scene. With comments like "We've put way more money than we made into these events". Which of course it is bullshit, since I'm pretty sure that MLG has had some financial backing (otherwise how would of they been able to prepay for the flights and accomodations already?) that is not a second mortgage on Sundance's house.
Please explain how having financial backing means that MLG hasn't put more money into the events than they've made from them. The financial backing is the money they've put in.
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I pay for GSL because it gives me access to HQ vods. I cannot watch it live for the same reason I can never see weekend tourneys. I work 50 hours straight from Friday evening to Monday morning. I would be willing to pay maybe $5 for access to hq vods, and if it was $10 for the weekend with access to vods I would do it for the reasons listed by the OP, because I believe in supporting eSports. However I believe in getting what I pay for even more than supporting eSports, and the $20 price point is too high, vods or no vods.
The other thing that MLG is not considering is that because there is so much SC2 content out there, many more people are willing to watch VODs of an event. The idea of 'spoilers' is by and large only a concern of very few people (comparitively speaking) and most people would rather know which games they should spend their time watching, rather than watching all the games, potentially bad matches and all, and being surprised by the winner. I think that is where the saturation of the space has put us as viewers, we have to be picky - not just about which tournaments we are watching, but which matches within all the available tournaments we should spend our time watching.
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On February 15 2012 00:05 quantumslip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 00:01 NoobSkills wrote:
The Free Model works for the NFL. Sundance is Scrooge minus the revalation at the end of the story.
Wasn't Sundance on a talk show boasting that MLG alone is a 150 million dollar buisness each year? Holding only what 5 events (i think) last year. They are just trying to make money and I won't give them a dime. I don't like paying for the GSL either, but they keep advertising simple and reasonable. During the cast the sponsors are given a few shoutouts, but nothing crazy and when watching a vod there is a simple 15(ish) second commercial that doesn't have the volume boosted so fucking loud that I have to mute my speakers. If teams were getting more of the money and the prize pools were much larger at MLG events I could perhaps justify paying for this, but when you brag about making 150 million, but have a low payout for every event except the final, charge the customer for a stream, and have generally less content per dollar when compared to the rest of the organizations I can't support you.
MLG - Major League Greed do please quote the $150 million, because that seems to be an outlandish accusation to make without any context/basis.
http://www.fnatic.com/scene/6582/mlg-50-million-in-revenue-this-year.html
That was what I found. There was a video and I swear it was 150 million, but I cannot find it again. Either way 50 million is a large chunk of change. Let's say that each event costs 5 million to run (I think is costs MUCH less but htis is an example) that means in the end they profited 25 million. That is a lot of money left over. I understand having a buisness model, but if I myself were running MLG I'm sure I could find a way to pump quite a bit more back into these events and not charge viewers while still living way more than comfortable. I don't actually know what it takes to host/run one of these, I just think this new model is a greedy one.
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Quick note to everyone discussing whether or not MLG is profitable based on the things Sundance has said. I obviously don't know what MLG's books look like, but you can definitely turn a profit and still "put way more money than we made into these events." You do that be reinvesting your profit back into the company, in hopes, of course, that you improve it and make a bigger profit in the future. Very simple.
I'm not saying MLG is or isn't profitable, just that you can't determine its profitability based on what's been said.
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20$ is way too much. I paid 6$ or something for all of homestory cup and that's top notch.
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I don't really understand the logic behind this from MLG.
If you are going to be running advertisements you want as many viewers as possible and making it PPV is going directly against advertising revenue.
What they had last year was just about perfect, free low quality video and PPV for HD that way you get to have the cake and eat it too.
I might pay the $20 if I am going to be home for the weekend but this is a bad business model, it is not all sustainable with the SC2 demographics.
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On February 15 2012 00:29 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 00:05 quantumslip wrote:On February 15 2012 00:01 NoobSkills wrote:
The Free Model works for the NFL. Sundance is Scrooge minus the revalation at the end of the story.
Wasn't Sundance on a talk show boasting that MLG alone is a 150 million dollar buisness each year? Holding only what 5 events (i think) last year. They are just trying to make money and I won't give them a dime. I don't like paying for the GSL either, but they keep advertising simple and reasonable. During the cast the sponsors are given a few shoutouts, but nothing crazy and when watching a vod there is a simple 15(ish) second commercial that doesn't have the volume boosted so fucking loud that I have to mute my speakers. If teams were getting more of the money and the prize pools were much larger at MLG events I could perhaps justify paying for this, but when you brag about making 150 million, but have a low payout for every event except the final, charge the customer for a stream, and have generally less content per dollar when compared to the rest of the organizations I can't support you.
MLG - Major League Greed do please quote the $150 million, because that seems to be an outlandish accusation to make without any context/basis. I don't actually know what it takes to host/run one of these, I just think this new model is a greedy one.
At least you admit that your argument is based entirely on an assumption that lacks any evidence.
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