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+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2012 23:18 -y0shi- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 23:05 DJFaqU wrote:
MLG has so much advertising that charging 20 dollars for a weekend is just a punch in the face of the people who want to watch. They can't lose the status of being money grubbing whores that they have for me, anymore.
And a whole lot of idiots watching even fall for the ads, so they should be able to make the advertisers pay. See: Visine. "Hurr durr, they support esports" - No they don't, you retards, they support getting more money. If they say that they cant live from adds alone I'm willing to believe that. And yeah, fuck them for actually trying to make money, how evil.. Every sport exists for the purpose of making money, "we give you entertainment, you give us money, both happy" Still 20$ is just too much for me: 5$ + the usual adds? "We need to find some way to make this work and 5$ should be fine for most people" - In a heartbeat 10$ + the usual adds "We know this is sudden but we cant live from adds alone" - Well Its MLG and I always enjoyed their stuff, dont like it but oh well... 20$ with or without adds - Nope, sorry :/
10$ with adds for 3 days of content is still too steep compared to the rest of the offers (GSL, or free to watch tournaments like ESL, IPL or Assembly) but I'd maybe be willing to pay for it if the content was really, really worth it.
5$ with full adds, yes I would pay. What I'd be more willing to pay is something like the price of a gold membership for a year if it included ALL the content.
Edit : Hell, the price of a gold membership AND adds if it has to be this way.
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This is the reason i like capitalism.
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As always an interesting read Alex. In the end, I hope MLG just responds to criticism with action and the Winter Arena is an awesome events that people feel like they must buy to see. I don't think people in this community can turn down a well-produced, unique product. The question is..can MLG do it? I think they can with enough help. So, option A.
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$20 is too much with or without adds.
It should be something such as:
Free: LQ(360p) with adds
$5: LQ+(480p) with adds OR as a single day HQ(720p-1080p) pass
$10: HQ(720-1080p) with no adds.
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I get get a full season of GSL for $15. I bought a Gold Membership with the promise of great things to come. Almost seems like a Bait and Switch tactic.
However,
I don't think asking for $20 4 times a year is too unreasonable. You should get the MLG championship as well though. I don't know how many season the GSL will have this year, but Iook at what it costs to get a year of GSL.
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I spent $20 on dinner in an entire week, this is ridiculous and as a student, I simply can't afford it.
The 3-5 hours of content that I would be able to catch live is not worth the price point, plain and simple. I'll catch the games as VODs when they come out for free, and put them on in the background while I study, just as I usually do for the championship series games (typically only watch the last 3-4 rounds on sunday live).
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On February 14 2012 22:56 Treva wrote:
Such sad poll results with almost 40% of people saying they wouldn't even pay $10 or less. I don't know how Sundance puts up with trying to make this shit grow when a huge amount of people just bitch that they want free stuff but then complain when it's not that well produced. Unbelievable. Like I posted earlier in the thread, right now it doesn't really matter for me personally if it's $5 or 20 because I'm more worried about potential detrimental effects with models like this in the long run than the entertainment I might get from this event. So even though it would be nice if they lowered it to 10 I voted that I wouldn't buy it anyway since I don't think I would.
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Well put Alex I agree with your points. I had similar feelings and I posted the in the "main" thread. I probably would have found a way to pay $10 for this tournament but $20 is just out of the question when comparing the value to the GSL or GSTL.
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For me
$5: Instant buy
$10: Probably buy depending on production / casters
$20: No chance
$20 has got to be around the cost of a month of Premier League games.
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On February 14 2012 22:56 Treva wrote:
Such sad poll results with almost 40% of people saying they wouldn't even pay $10 or less. I don't know how Sundance puts up with trying to make this shit grow when a huge amount of people just bitch that they want free stuff but then complain when it's not that well produced. Unbelievable.
Oh poor Sundance, he probably lives in a basement somewhere and works constantly all day for pennies. We should pay for this event so he can feed his family right?
Stop feeling sympathy for companies you god damn idiots, it's disgusting.
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I'd have no problem paying 10$ for 720p with ads, 10 bucks really isn't that much. 20$ for just a weekend is a little steep though. I'm kind of disappointed with MLG still airing the finals on a late sunday night/early monday morning in Europe. Is it that unreasonable to air it on a saturday or earlier on a sunday, maybe at 16:00?
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MLG should have asked Herman Cain to do a promotional. Make the PPV cost $9.99.
Great insight by an industry insider, though I personally would have preferred a year-long subscription, as it is just less hassle, rather than PPV each Arena
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I simply do not have the time to sit around for the whole weekend watching the stream. If I had the time, I might be willing to spend some money. $20 for an entire weekend of entertainment is not bad... but who has time for that? If you're like me you might be lucky to have a couple hours of free time to watch. I'm a full-time student and I work part-time. The only chance I get to watch SC2 content is usually while studying or during breaks from studying. So in my case I would be paying $20 for 2 hours of entertainment—not worth it. Maybe in the summer I will have more free time—then I might consider paying. But even then, I will be on a tight budget, saving money for tuition, etc.
Ultimately, I will continue to watch SC2 streams but I will watch whatever is available for free during the limited spare time I have. Sometimes I will run 2 or 3 streams at a time in the background while I do homework. If that's not enough support for you (Sundance/MLG) then you have likely lost me as a fan/spectator.
All the best!
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PPV will never work and if it continues on esport will just decline like it already has begun. I know 10 people who play sc2 since realease. now none of them play it anymore even myself only 2 games in season 5. I am also the only one who watch esports of the people i know. PPV will not raise any more viewers it will only decrease at best. also in Europe PPV never had a tradition, at least not in Germany. Premiere, Sky all the large tv broadcaster here fail at PPV. the people are not even willing to pay money to watvh soccer in tv, so i cant imagine that PPV will have much success here. sc2 is only one hobby among others. If you cant watch sc2 then whatever. I got the feeling that mlg or others think that there are enough viewers willing to pay because of the big number of viewership but to be honest its always the same bunch of people watching.
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The Free Model works for the NFL. Sundance is Scrooge minus the revalation at the end of the story.
Wasn't Sundance on a talk show boasting that MLG alone is a 150 million dollar buisness each year? Holding only what 5 events (i think) last year. They are just trying to make money and I won't give them a dime. I don't like paying for the GSL either, but they keep advertising simple and reasonable. During the cast the sponsors are given a few shoutouts, but nothing crazy and when watching a vod there is a simple 15(ish) second commercial that doesn't have the volume boosted so fucking loud that I have to mute my speakers. If teams were getting more of the money and the prize pools were much larger at MLG events I could perhaps justify paying for this, but when you brag about making 150 million, but have a low payout for every event except the final, charge the customer for a stream, and have generally less content per dollar when compared to the rest of the organizations I can't support you.
MLG - Major League Greed
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Maybe MLG should look at it's cost structure instead of expecting kids to overpay for a weekend if entertainment. I pay for GSL because it's not only the best games, production value, and caters, but because there is a metricfuckton of content that comes with it.
It was nice knowing ya, MLG.
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I think a low-quality free stream (the way GSL does it) would be better instead of a purely premium based model with no free alternatives.
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I put down the $20 not because I think it will be worth it, but I really want this industry grow. Making an even like this fail intentionally is not something I want to do. I wouldn't advocate it to be a smashing event and set a precedence either.
MLG is a good tournament with good players and I like how they are talking about flying players out and putting them up on their dime, but you aren't the only tournament. If this becomes a standard and there are 3-4 tournaments in a month people would be paying more to watch the game than the game itself cost in a single month. Not very sustainable, at all.
I'm going to restate a point people have already made, if myself and others are paying $20 bucks for this it damn well be pretty polished of an event. Lots of professionalism, quality production, and constant value from it. If it was anything like IEM where I am sitting for 30-40 minutes between matches watching 1 overlay and 1 commercial on repeat I would never pay for another MLG production again regardless of price point. If you're going to charge do it right the first time and please please please blow us away. Make it worth it.
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On February 15 2012 00:01 NoobSkills wrote:
The Free Model works for the NFL. Sundance is Scrooge minus the revalation at the end of the story.
Wasn't Sundance on a talk show boasting that MLG alone is a 150 million dollar buisness each year? Holding only what 5 events (i think) last year. They are just trying to make money and I won't give them a dime. I don't like paying for the GSL either, but they keep advertising simple and reasonable. During the cast the sponsors are given a few shoutouts, but nothing crazy and when watching a vod there is a simple 15(ish) second commercial that doesn't have the volume boosted so fucking loud that I have to mute my speakers. If teams were getting more of the money and the prize pools were much larger at MLG events I could perhaps justify paying for this, but when you brag about making 150 million, but have a low payout for every event except the final, charge the customer for a stream, and have generally less content per dollar when compared to the rest of the organizations I can't support you.
MLG - Major League Greed
do please quote the $150 million, because that seems to be an outlandish accusation to make without any context/basis.
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I honestly don't see the big issue with this at all. The Winter Arena in my opinion has been marketed as a premium, almost VIP or boutique style event with really high production value. The price reflects this, the only way I will feel ripped off is if I purchase the ticket and don't feel like I got my moneys worth (ie. if the production quality is closer to that of past MLG events, lots of dead space between games, etc. )
I'm sure a vast majority of the people here will spend at least $20 multiple times a week on dinner and drinks, $20 or more on a sporting event ticket, or even up to $60 for a PPV of a sporting event (MMA comes to mind) which will last less than a few hours without a premium VOD service later.
For the people saying "I'd pay $10 but not $20", you really have to think about the amount of money you're whining about, please think about it next time you spend $10 to go to a movie or buy Starbucks for you and your girlfriend. Compare those things to getting an entire weekend of premium viewing on 5 different streams? $20 is a good deal in my opinion. Like Alex said, at some point these organizations have to make money from sources other than 3rd party sponsors, and because of this the cost of production will go up, and along with it the amount of content and quality of content.
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