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On February 14 2012 22:40 Sideburn wrote:
I just feel so confused by the community's response to all of this. It just seems like a petulant child screaming about something they don't want or don't like. The amount of entitlement is disgusting.
I don't see how people can blindly and ignorantly claim they wouldn't even pay $10 for something because CLEARLY ad revenue MORE than makes up for it. Thank god we all have such insider information.
No one cares about that, and no, you're completely wrong.
It's not about sense of entitlement, it's about relative value. I can watch GSL for free, why would I spend 20 dollars for one MLG event? It's extremely overpriced compared to the rest of the market, you can watch pretty much anything for free, so most people won't have any problem skipping an event which you have to pay for. It's not sense of entitlement, it's just using common sense. Which MLG should use as well and realize the viewership will be pathetic and thus they won't be making any money anyway.
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On February 14 2012 22:43 oDDable wrote:
$10 seems much more appropriate. Again... unless you have something really special that that $20 is going to. Like if you send MarineKing skydiving... well yeah then my $20 is worth it probably.
Ok, go on..
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Great post Alex and I'm basically in agreement.
I can totally see why at least experimenting with PPV is necessary for the industry to become sustainable.. but I just feel the price is too high. It's not even a particularly logical decision on my part, because I could afford to pay $20 and it wouldn't mean I go hungry, but on some level psychologically that figure just rankles... whereas if it was $10 it'd be a no-brainer. I think one reason for this feeling is that I can't help but imagine that most tournaments will be heading to a PPV model in the future and establishing a reasonable price point is going to be extremely important for those of us that plan on trying to watch pretty much every tournament that comes up. So I ask myself; if there was a $10 tournament every weekend would I feel happy continually paying that and supporting the scene? Yes, I probably would... but $20 would really make me think twice as over the year that would mount up pretty considerably.
As others have also mentioned it does seem an unfortunate choice to try out this experiment on the same weekend as Assembly as there's only so much SC2 one man can take and if I'm already watching many hours of it for free at an EU friendly time.. well lets just say it becomes a lot less attractive to watch another 20 or so more hours by staying up till 6am each morning and paying for the privilege.
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So... I cancelled my Gold membership and told MLG why.
I hope that they will have some fun. I won't be paying to watch it.
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Such sad poll results with almost 40% of people saying they wouldn't even pay $10 or less. I don't know how Sundance puts up with trying to make this shit grow when a huge amount of people just bitch that they want free stuff but then complain when it's not that well produced. Unbelievable.
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On February 14 2012 22:56 Treva wrote:
Such sad poll results with almost 40% of people saying they wouldn't even pay $10 or less. I don't know how Sundance puts up with trying to make this shit grow when a huge amount of people just bitch that they want free stuff but then complain when it's not that well produced. Unbelievable.
Aren't you forgetting the 60% willing to pay for content?
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On February 14 2012 22:40 Sideburn wrote:
I just feel so confused by the community's response to all of this. It just seems like a petulant child screaming about something they don't want or don't like. The amount of entitlement is disgusting.
I don't see how people can blindly and ignorantly claim they wouldn't even pay $10 for something because CLEARLY ad revenue MORE than makes up for it. Thank god we all have such insider information.
Actually it seems more like the response a smart consumer base gives to someone who is trying to rip them off. But nice try, you wanted to sound all smart and stuff yet came off as smug and condescending. Keep up the quality posts.
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Sundance may have my $20 this time. But I've let him know via email that it may be the last time.
I've supported MLG since 2006 and gone out of my way to throw all my money at them. Something about this just doesn't feel right. Maybe its too much too fast, I really don't know.
As usual, Sundance personally answered my email within 15 minutes. I DO want to support a guy like that. One of the most down-to-earth CEO's I've had the pleasure (or pain) of dealing with.
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I'm just annoyed I forked out for a Gold membership only to get half as many events as last year included in my membership.
I'm seriously thinking about cancelling my membership too.
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Respect for EG!
Thank you for the honest statement.
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Option other: MLG has no way to take my money. They have my eyes which they sell to advertisers, its up to them to figure out how to make that work. Streamers make it work, TV makes it work. ESPORTS fans dont have the depth of wallet that NFL, UFC, WWF fans have. We just dont.
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MLG has so much advertising that charging 20 dollars for a weekend is just a punch in the face of the people who want to watch. They can't lose the status of being money grubbing whores that they have for me, anymore.
And a whole lot of idiots watching even fall for the ads, so they should be able to make the advertisers pay. See: Visine. "Hurr durr, they support esports" - No they don't, you retards, they support getting more money.
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I also think that 20$ is a bit overpriced. 10$ or 15$ would've been perfect.
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Option A because I wanna watch MLG -.-
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I wish people would pump the brakes a bit on all the entitlement talk
Think of all the people who are merely casual viewer who just don't care that much to throw down $20. They watch a couple games during MLGs but they don't post, they don't glue themselves to the computer for it. Are they all entitled shit heads too?
Whether or not you want to accept it, the reality is many people don't see the value in paying to watch people play video games. There's no reason to call these people cheap or accuse them of hurting esports. It's just a basic fact. I might regularly buy something many others don't see the value in, like say my usenet subscription, I don't accuse them all of being cheap for it. Why would I?
When a lot of people say "this isn't worth it to me, I'm going to pass" as a business you should be listening to that very closely. What you don't do is throw a temper tantrum and call everyone self entitled because they don't see the value in your product. That is your problem to solve when you decide to sell something.
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Gold members got boned.
If you want to encourage a paid viewership you don't screw over the people who pay upfront, wtf
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If the price had been set at $10 then I would have been much more tempted to buy it, but as it stands I won't be paying. I'm studying right now and my budget is finite, so when I look at where I will be spending my money with regards to esports then I have to be rather picky. Right now the GSL is the benefactor of what I am willing to spend, and with their yearly sub plan it works out quite cheap for a wealth of content. When I compare what MLG is offering here (no live audience/what is basically a side tournament for their usual circuit), then I fail to see where they can justify the $20 price tag.
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On February 14 2012 23:05 DJFaqU wrote:
MLG has so much advertising that charging 20 dollars for a weekend is just a punch in the face of the people who want to watch. They can't lose the status of being money grubbing whores that they have for me, anymore.
And a whole lot of idiots watching even fall for the ads, so they should be able to make the advertisers pay. See: Visine. "Hurr durr, they support esports" - No they don't, you retards, they support getting more money.
If they say that they cant live from adds alone I'm willing to believe that.
And yeah, fuck them for actually trying to make money, how evil.. Every sport exists for the purpose of making money, "we give you entertainment, you give us money, both happy"
Still 20$ is just too much for me:
5$ + the usual adds? "We need to find some way to make this work and 5$ should be fine for most people" - In a heartbeat
10$ + the usual adds "We know this is sudden but we cant live from adds alone" - Well Its MLG and I always enjoyed their stuff, dont like it but oh well...
20$ with or without adds - Nope, sorry :/
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It's tough to keep making payments for these events especially when I barely make it month to month, but I just remind myself how much dedication these progamers have put into this and I can't justify not supporting them. When you love something so much, and it's easy when it's Starcraft, sometimes you too have to make sacrifices. MLG is such a wonderful event and I wish each person here could attend at least one of their events in person so you can truly feel what this atmosphere is really like. I believe that spending the money now means that we will put enough profit into the community that things will become easier in the future. Remember that these players are human and have to support themselves too. So I will pay what I must because I love Starcraft and it's competitors.
edit: spelling fixes
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I'll go with B... 20$ is honestly too much for this kind of event.
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