EPTPut down the pitchforks, or lower them, at least. - Page 15
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Chaves
Brazil315 Posts
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
Maybe they should go to a system where the minimum amount is $ 2,50 and anything over it you can donate yourself. If you find it worth of $ 50, give 50. | ||
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gold_
Canada312 Posts
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DR.Ham
Netherlands621 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:11 Serelitz wrote: It's ridiculous from a consumer POV but from MLG's cost/profit POV 20$ is pretty good considering their extreme expenses vs. GOM's 1 studio. In the end, business is business is business is e-sports. If MLG can't compete with higher cost / higher prices, they'll either downscale or stop alltogether, which would be sad to see as well. I think you make a lot of sense here. There is a lot of free high quality content currently available, so to have people pay quite a premium for content requires that the content be very high quality indeed. For me the issue seems to be that MLG have chosen to put on a very expensive tournament, flying players to a very expensive city, choosing not to have live viewers (who generally pay) and having a quite large prize pool. Now, to pay for all of that, they have chosen the PPV model, which has it's own draw backs. However, PPV may be the right choice to make this tournament sustainable. I personally don't believe that people should support this tournament to support e-sports, if this is a viable model, then it will work without the guilt trips. By choosing not to support this tournament, you are saying it's not right for you for whatever reason, not saying you hate e-sports. I hope it works out for MLG, they genuinely seem like nice people and have run great tournaments in the past. | ||
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Mentalizor
Denmark1596 Posts
I'm kindda shocked they would do this rather than add revenue. Ads are good for planning (you can run commercials during breaks and such), good for money (they will most likely pay most of the expenses) and good for both MLG and the companies since they will be able to focus commercials towards a specific crowd. I love getting commercials about games, processors, headsets and other gaming stuff. I'm going with B Won't be able to pay for it. Such a shame, I love MLG | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:43 BadBinky wrote: Everyone knew there's going to be outrage when big tournaments start removing their free streams. Announce hilarious overprice and then make your friends post around the Internets how the price should be. Cut price in half and poof goes the outrage. Clever. It's not clever. It's an insult to the customer. There was absolutely nothing wrong with existing freemium models. Hell, ESL has run like that for ages. Provide good service first and people follow. [Personal anecdote] I was always more or less satisfied with ESL's abysmal LQ stream. But soon after they hired Mr.Bitter and Bitterdam started to put out a ton of hilarious shows, I reconsidered it. Even a straight up 10$ charge would have produced half of the outrage and even convince a ton more people to pay for it- without unneeded amounts of drama. | ||
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WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:46 ihasaKAROT wrote: People are spoiled, whats $ 20 ... Really its not that much and its well worth the investment. Maybe they should go to a system where the minimum amount is $ 2,50 and anything over it you can donate yourself. If you find it worth of $ 50, give 50. Your reasoning that a product below a certain pricepoint can't be considered overpriced make little sense. I agree with the OP, in general. I would have likely purchased it for 10$ with ads, possibly 5 given that I have a Gold membership. There will be no live audience, the timezone will be unfavorable for me, and Assembly is largely at the same time. It is not a worthwhile investment for me (and I speak as both a GSL and MLG subscriber), particularly given their unhappy timing. I am not sure about their business plan's flaws and merits (did they rent a venue in NYC for an offline event?), but I simply am not interested in MLG Arena at this price. | ||
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DR.Ham
Netherlands621 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:46 ihasaKAROT wrote: People are spoiled, whats $ 20 ... Really its not that much and its well worth the investment. Maybe they should go to a system where the minimum amount is $ 2,50 and anything over it you can donate yourself. If you find it worth of $ 50, give 50. It's great that $20 is nothing to you, but for others it's a lot of money, and clearly there are people who don't think it's worth the investment. I might buy one depending upon how much time I have available that weekend, but I'm not going to abuse others because they choose not to or can't. | ||
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BadBinky
Finland649 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:52 rotegirte wrote: It's not clever. It's an insult to the customer. There was absolutely nothing wrong with existing freemium models. Hell, ESL has run like that for ages. Provide good service first and people follow. [Personal anecdote] I was always more or less satisfied with ESL's abysmal LQ stream. But soon after they hired Mr.Bitter and Bitterdam started to put out a ton of hilarious shows, I reconsidered it. Even a straight up 10$ charge would have produced half of the outrage and even convince a ton more people to pay for it- without unneeded amounts of drama. I think it's a clever way to get more people to pay 10 bucks they wouldn't pay if they announced their real price right away. | ||
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Niazger
Germany41 Posts
I mean from what I can tell as an outsider there is almost no money to be made in esports. Some players/organizers can make a decent income but it mostly relies on volunteers. That's not gonna change until people start to pay money for events just like in any other sports. And to be honest: 20$ seems high compared to other esports events but when you look at any other sports you'll notice that most of them cost much more than 1$/hour of entertainment. And to all the people saying there is nothing wrong with freemium models: They dont make money. Look at HSC4. Like 60k viewers, lots of sponsors, lots of volunteers, relatively low production cost compared to other events yet TaKe said that he isnt really making money from it right now. | ||
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Artok
Netherlands2219 Posts
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Hunterai
Thailand842 Posts
- Free LQ stream if you have MLG Gold - 5$ for HQ stream if you have MLG Gold, or 10$ otherwise Edit: I will pay for THIS time, just because Gold Membership for 2011 was such a bargain. But MLG, you better come up with a more sensible solution. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:56 BadBinky wrote: I think it's a clever way to get more people to pay 10 bucks they wouldn't pay if they announced their real price right away. Maybe, yes. But quite an unnecessary risk to take when you want to gauge reliable numbers. All I'm saying is my opinion differs and I think a more no-strings-attached approach wins me as a customer. If the majority likes such child's play, so be it. I'll just skip on the first one and reconsider it in future events then. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:54 DR.Ham wrote: It's great that $20 is nothing to you, but for others it's a lot of money, and clearly there are people who don't think it's worth the investment. I might buy one depending upon how much time I have available that weekend, but I'm not going to abuse others because they choose not to or can't. Its not nothing to me, its just not as much if you look at what you get for it. Everything is free nowadays, downloads and streams are what most people think of as the 'normal'. I dont mind paying for a good service, $ 20 seems like a reasonable amount to me. | ||
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AresHero
United States39 Posts
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DrN0
United Kingdom184 Posts
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Ikuu
United Kingdom97 Posts
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WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
On February 14 2012 22:04 DrN0 wrote: I have to say that no matter the community outcry I think this will earn MLG a lot of money. Before they had to survive on advertisements now I think the ads are still there but an extra 20$ for anybody IMO silly enough to buy, but think about it this way, if only 500 people buy the pass that's still 10 000$. So if just 2000 people buy the pass that's 40 000$ which is absolutely tons, more than enough you would think. I am fairly sure 40k$ is not even enough to cover the players' expenses. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
just to show that they shold not do something like this withough asking the opinion of the viewers... ill gladly pay 5 or 10 $ for it though if they lower the price for the next events EDIT: so option b i guess | ||
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