EPTI think the "I'll pay the 20 to help esports and you should, too!!!12121!" white knighting should stop, it's just every individuals decision if they are ready to pay the money or not.
Anyway, thanks for sharing your opinion.
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jaydee81
Germany119 Posts
I think the "I'll pay the 20 to help esports and you should, too!!!12121!" white knighting should stop, it's just every individuals decision if they are ready to pay the money or not. Anyway, thanks for sharing your opinion. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
On February 14 2012 18:55 FXOpen wrote: The general community has 0 idea on how much money is sponsored on e-sports.. And I tell you now, the amount the community believes is incorrect.. by far. Then share some numbers. The reason we have no idea is because everyone chooses to keep us in the dark. Then you complain that we have no idea... | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
No need for another one. Although i really like the idea of having an NA based Tournament. I do pay for live events if i am able to attend. So i see no need to pay for an stream. I watch all your commercials via Twitch etc. I think this is enough...and MLG i think gets more than 10000 people watching. | ||
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McKTenor13
United States1383 Posts
I do think it's too much, too soon. But I do think they're headed in the right direction. | ||
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pepsimaxibon
61 Posts
On February 14 2012 20:55 Duravi wrote: Then share some numbers. The reason we have no idea is because everyone chooses to keep us in the dark. Then you complain that we have no idea... drop your pitchfork, prole. | ||
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ITSAmeee
Italy36 Posts
Maybe 5$ for a 720p with ads and a 10$ for a 1000p+ with no ads? 20$ is excessive, considering GSL pricing as well. | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On February 14 2012 18:55 FXOpen wrote: The general community has 0 idea on how much money is sponsored on e-sports.. And I tell you now, the amount the community believes is incorrect.. by far. We allready discussed the fact of ad-earnings in the "Monetizing SC" Thread. This is another problem which just correlates with the sustainable of eSports. To offer an weekend for 20$ when GSL Light can be bought for 5$ a month is ridicouls. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 14 2012 20:55 Duravi wrote: Then share some numbers. The reason we have no idea is because everyone chooses to keep us in the dark. Then you complain that we have no idea... Most businesses don't hand out their numbers or contracts to the general public. And sponsors don't like their numbers and how much they are paying people being handed out. Also saying you don't like "mass commercialization" and then telling them to make money off of adds is a bit silly. That is exactly what commercialization is, making money off of ads. MLG clearly needs to make more money directly. The free streams might not be enough. GOM does it, but has the advantage of everyone coming to them, being in Korea and being able to things year round. MGL is looking for a model where we support them directly. I am ok with that as long as they come up with a reasonable price point. People don't like $20, but I am sure $10 is to low. Maybe we split the middle and pay $12-$15. | ||
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
On February 14 2012 20:53 jaydee81 wrote: Very nice read. Still, I don't really see any pitchforks. Lots of people have been saying they will watch Assembly, which is a decisison everybody is free to make. Very few people have actually said something offensive or anything of that nature. I think the "I'll pay the 20 to help esports and you should, too!!!12121!" white knighting should stop, it's just every individuals decision if they are ready to pay the money or not. Anyway, thanks for sharing your opinion. There's a lot of entitlement flying around and a lot of 'MLG is ruining esports' or 'sundance just wants to make a quick buck' or whatever. It's like LR threads on steroids complaint-wise. On February 14 2012 21:06 bluQ wrote: We allready discussed the fact of ad-earnings in the "Monetizing SC" Thread. This is another problem which just correlates with the sustainable of eSports. To offer an weekend for 20$ when GSL Light can be bought for 5$ a month is ridicouls. It's ridiculous from a consumer POV but from MLG's cost/profit POV 20$ is pretty good considering their extreme expenses vs. GOM's 1 studio. In the end, business is business is business is e-sports. If MLG can't compete with higher cost / higher prices, they'll either downscale or stop alltogether, which would be sad to see as well. | ||
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:11 Serelitz wrote: There's a lot of entitlement flying around and a lot of 'MLG is ruining esports' or 'sundance just wants to make a quick buck' or whatever. It's like LR threads on steroids complaint-wise. It's ridiculous from a consumer POV but from MLG's cost/profit POV 20$ is pretty good considering their extreme expenses vs. GOM's 1 studio. In the end, business is business is business is e-sports. If MLG can't compete with higher cost / higher prices, they'll either downscale or stop alltogether, which would be sad to see as well. I would just be very sad to see MLG vanish. And GOM has a more flexible pricing model, which I feel will hurt MLG a lot. | ||
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Nourek
Germany188 Posts
On February 14 2012 15:26 Mr. Nefarious wrote: Thank you for some real world insight on a difficult issue. I'm really, really happy to see MLG move towards a more self sustained future, it can only be better for all of us and will actually produce better content in the end. For those of you hating, take a minute to think. If MLG can grow, expand their business and revenue and then reinvest a bit of that into production, it will benefit all of us. I do think that $20 is a bit steep for just a weekend... I guess if it's literally better then GSL Code S "For $20 you get a full weekend of nothing but the absolute best StarCraft 2 in the world." then for $20 it will be completely worth it. At $10 I wouldn't have even given a second thought... instant purchase, I love MLG. $15 I would've had to think for a bit about it and at $20... I'll do it this time and see what I get. I'm more than happy to give Sundance a chance for all he's done for the community. If it sucks well then, I'll know better for the future. This is exactly how I feel about this. | ||
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
How about removing extended series before asking for money. | ||
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TheBamf
Denmark366 Posts
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Phoobie
Canada120 Posts
I would be very happy with a free 480p stream and offering 1080p HD + bonus services like rewind, instant VoD access and maybe entered into a raffle or something and other cool features for those who pay. | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
On February 14 2012 20:55 Duravi wrote: Then share some numbers. The reason we have no idea is because everyone chooses to keep us in the dark. Then you complain that we have no idea... They can't share the numbers because then they can't cry poverty and attempt to gouge a very loyal community. If the current business model isn't sustainable without going into PPV mode then guess what? All that prize money and caster money and event money needs to come waaaaaaay the fuck down. Maybe at the end of the day the players aren't worth the money they're being paid and the prize money they are playing for. I sure as hell don't feel like I should subsidize for something that grew too fast too soon. No one was asking for $100k prize pools. That's just where things started with GSL. No one asked for an arms race between EG and TL to see who can pay Huk the most money. That's what both those teams felt was in their best interest. At the end of the day tournaments should have enough prize money that guarantees that the top talent would be motivated to show up. Nothing more and nothing less. What we have now is currently clearly unsustainable and I rather see a blow up now than a blow up a year from now. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 14 2012 21:27 Phoobie wrote: first of al, great post, as for me; i'm currently attending college and am on a very tight budget because I have limited time to go to work (getting ~10 hours of work paid per week). I simply cannot afford luxury like the $20 pass or even teh GSL /cry I would be very happy with a free 480p stream and offering 1080p HD + bonus services like rewind, instant VoD access and maybe entered into a raffle or something and other cool features for those who pay. What price point could a poor college student afford? $10?(to be clear, zero is not an option) | ||
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robhoward
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
Gold must mean something, and extra payements should only involve events that is completly separate from the rest. | ||
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BadBinky
Finland649 Posts
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