EPTIt is not fair then.Why would I buy a ticket when there are hundreds of free tournaments with same players in there.
You cant expect people to waste their money to watch some pros a only 2 year old not perfectly balanced RTS game.
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Silentenigma
Turkey2037 Posts
It is not fair then.Why would I buy a ticket when there are hundreds of free tournaments with same players in there. You cant expect people to waste their money to watch some pros a only 2 year old not perfectly balanced RTS game. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On February 14 2012 12:03 iky43210 wrote: You don't understand what bubble means, I suggest you stop using it. A bubble would imply a sudden crash such as in prices. Nobody knows whether something is in bubble or not until after retrospect. In BW case, the viewership, gamer salaries and competitive gaming tournament, sponsorship and nearly everything with it in general has been in a steady rise, stabilized, and decline throughout its 10 year period. Its laughable how you're still trying to quantify that as bubble He mistakes bubble for cycle. Every business model or everything will have a cycle. There's virtually no stable business model whatsoever. New business model will rise together with new technology and everything. Old business model which was created to adapt to old technology and era will die out, that's normal thing. Youtube can't make money before because it didn't have a clue what it was supposed to do, how to generate revenue, as in some interviews said when Google just bought Youtube and literally brought debt to Google. The same thing shortly happened to Facebook, and Twitter, they couldn't figure out how to make money from their content, and had to rely on private investors. TV model is dead, not because of the ad revenue model is dying, but because internet streaming is taking off, and how do people make money from internet streaming? Ad revenue. But the beautiful thing of ads on internet is they cater to your hobbies, your choice, so that the ads are less annoying (kinda). That's simply the new business model adapting to new technology. But I agree on one thing, although I hate it too, but BW was running on a bubble. The scene was subsidized by the government, government paid for it. The competitive scene revolves around 8 professional teams(?) and branches. There were not enough tournaments to go around, there're not enough money for every professional beside salary. I'm not saying that it doesn't work, but it's clearly risky. One country can only support 1 unique industry for so long, without interacting globally, it's like playing dollhouse, the kid is gonna get tired one day. | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
I guess I'm not very into ESports then. I have other FAR more important priorities in life besides SC2. Besides, it's not like SC2 is the only ESport out there. And at the end of the day, as Kennigit once told me, it is still a video game. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
Neither you nor the operator of any website where your Production(s) may be viewed can force a viewer to pay a "fee" to be able to view your Production(s). We understand that many third party websites have a "free" method to see their video content, as well as a 'premium' membership service that allows for speedier viewing. For clarity, please note that as long as the website that hosts your Production provides a free method to allow viewers to see the Production, Blizzard Entertainment will not object to your Production being hosted on that site, regardless of the site's "for pay" premium service plans. | ||
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Chronicler
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As for people saying "just go to one less movie per month, or don't eat out, or don't drink, or don't (this, or that)" aren't seeing the whole picture. Throwing aside the "I don't have $20 to spend" (and that is $20 for one arena, if you want HD streams for all of MLG's events this year, you are looking at $140 for Arenas and $30 for a Gold Membership, meaning you will spend $170 this year on HD MLG streams). When you start charging (or charging more) for what used to be free (or cheap), you lose viewers. For personal examples: I went to more movies when they were $5-$7/movie, now that they are at least $10, I don't go to as many. I used to buy more movies before they started being $30. Now I'm happy to wait 28 days for Redbox/Netflix. | ||
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Papulatus
United States669 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
I don't buy a product to "support" a specific cause, I don't buy a bad album to "support my favourite band", I'll buy their album when it's damn good, that's all there is to it. When MLG is better than GSL, I'll buy it instead. That should be enough, there's no need for all this explaining about how hard your economic life is, who cares except yourself. | ||
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Carbonthief
United States289 Posts
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agile_legs
Philippines348 Posts
However, I disagree with the pricing. I don't know what kind of study they did in order to come up with $20, but they should know that a majority of the SC2 fanbase are teenagers --- students who don't earn much and are scrimping cash for a whole lot of other things. It might be better if they will price it first at $5 - $10, see how the market responds, and then adjust the price accordingly. Sure, you will only get about 50% less money per person, but the volume will make up for it Given that, I will not pay for this and will focus more on Assembly. I'll just follow the live reports and forums for 4-5 star matches :D Just my 2 cents | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On February 14 2012 12:30 CEPEHDREI wrote: am i gettin this right? There will be 4 streams covering all the games? So maybe i have to decide between 4 matches played at the same time with (sry beta casters but i dont like watching u guys) beta casters? I dont like that. If i pay 20$ then give me one game after another with premium casters. I agree with this too. Two would be better, but I don't think 4 adds to the game experience. Regardless of the caster, it's too much to follow. Now, if the extra 2 streams are purely non-game content streams, then that could work, but you could probably save that content for the downtime too. | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
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Silentenigma
Turkey2037 Posts
On February 14 2012 12:30 gladsheim wrote: Not sure if people are cheap or are just poor, but spending $20 for a whole weekends worth of non-stop entertainment is pretty much a bargin. So i personally don't see what the problem here is. Do you want e-sports to grow at all? Sports don't grow unless viewers pay, whether it be attending or watching it from home on your tv with foxtel (or whatever American/European pay-tv is called). It is not when there are similar quality tournaments absolutely free. | ||
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Lupita
United States290 Posts
On February 14 2012 12:30 gladsheim wrote: Not sure if people are cheap or are just poor, but spending $20 for a whole weekends worth of non-stop entertainment is pretty much a bargin. So i personally don't see what the problem here is. Do you want e-sports to grow at all? Sports don't grow unless viewers pay, whether it be attending or watching it from home on your tv with foxtel (or whatever American/European pay-tv is called). On the topic of growth, good luck on getting people who are new to watching sc2 online / new to the game to spend 20$ on an event. I'm confused as to how you think this promotes growth. This promotes more money for MLG, nothing more. | ||
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boxturtle
United States224 Posts
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ulan-bat
China403 Posts
And the Dr Pepper MLG Ultimate Access Stream (more info on this soon) will be free to all, without an Arena pass, all weekend long. The Dr Pepper MLG Ultimate Access Stream? .... what? Anyway, any info on this free stream? | ||
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Chytilova
United States790 Posts
Completely depends where you live. In the middle of nowhere 20k is a ton of money, but I don't live in the middle of nowhere. | ||
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sewergoat
United States97 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13391 Posts
On February 14 2012 12:32 Irave wrote: Since this thread is still moving pretty fast, anyone have insight on what the Blizzard rules will do to this PPV? since the vods are free a week in advance the "production" is not entirely behind a pay wall. Furthermore, by paying the PPV the person who pays has "speedier" viewing and those that dont see the prodcution one week later. So as far as I know its allowed. | ||
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