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Juggernaut477
United States379 Posts
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mark05
Canada807 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:59 allgamenohype wrote: i dont know if anybody has posted this or not, but this is an important thing to read over http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/videopolicy.html this basically states that any video that has a premium version, needs to have a free version or something along those lines which in my mind means that they cant actually do this. It makes sense that GSL has a lq stream always. I dont think it is worth it to pay 20 bucks, i can watch assembly, where there are many great players that i am personally looking forward to, and i can watch the MLG the week after, because they have a really nice VOD system. This is pretty interesting indeed | ||
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Timerly
Germany511 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:55 casualman wrote: That makes sense, but when you look at how long these events have been in business: for mlg, almost a decade, ESL same time, WCG since 2000, that's a long time to be stagnant. Breaking even while growing your capital and cash flow is pretty good...WCG is not a fair comparison because it was a Samsung sponsored event for the longest time without any intentions of making it a profitable business, it was just a marketing thing. Don't know about MLG history but ESL had some bigger investments, remained in business and should be doing ok while providing dozens of people with a job most of them love and the community with great events. People just don't understand that as long as you can pay back some return on the investment you don't need that 20% return rate some random stock exchange "expert" threw around at some point. | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:59 allgamenohype wrote: i dont know if anybody has posted this or not, but this is an important thing to read over http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/videopolicy.html this basically states that any video that has a premium version, needs to have a free version or something along those lines which in my mind means that they cant actually do this. It makes sense that GSL has a lq stream always. I dont think it is worth it to pay 20 bucks, i can watch assembly, where there are many great players that i am personally looking forward to, and i can watch the MLG the week after, because they have a really nice VOD system. Yeah, I'm sure MLG definitely didn't contact blizzard over any of this. /s I can't believe people are bringing this up, MLG isn't stupid. | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:56 leecH wrote: yeah. they do the very minimum they have to according to the videopolicy. MLG would be the first tournament that actually denies you any content unless you pay, right? so they are the first to violate the videopolicy. this either means blizzard changed their policy or MLG made an exclusive deal with blizzard? which is odd because i thought GSL kind of was in bed with blizzard.. wtf am i missing here? and why dont more ppl pay attention to this. I don't understand why you think anyone HERE has a definitive answer to their own agreement with Blizzard (except for the MLG liasons on this site which most surely won't come into this thread to answer that kind of question). Contact MLG or Blizzard directly if you want to find out. | ||
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WilDMousE
Chile1335 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:58 BrodiaQ wrote: Actually I'm not nearly as upset as I was when I initially read the thread title. In fact I think I might go for it. If MLG's intentions are clear and they are really doing this to try to take esports to the next level I'm actually fine with this. honestly, you really think you're supporting e-sports in general by money-sinking on "relatively regular" events like this? | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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chestnutcc
India429 Posts
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:59 Butcherski wrote: Oh come one everybody with a brain should figure out they are going to change the price to 15$ or maybe even 10$ before the event. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique The door-in-the-face (DITF) technique is a persuasion method. The persuader attempts to convince someone to comply with a request by first making an extremely large request that the respondent will obviously turn down, with a metaphorical slamming of a door in the persuader's face. The respondent is then more likely to accede to a second, more reasonable request than if this second request were made without the first, extreme request. Robert Cialdini suggests this as a form of reciprocity, i.e. the (induced) sharp negative response to the first request creates a sense of debt or guilt that the second request offers to clear, and the reduced second request is interpreted by the receiver as a concession which is reciprocated by compliance with the request. Alternately, a reference point (or framing) construal may explain this phenomenon, as the initial bad offer sets a reference point from which the second offer looks like an improvement. | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:50 Zaros wrote: What happens when the bubble you create pops? Finding a sustainable business model that doesn't rely on hotpockets is probably the best way to prevent it from popping. | ||
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OptimusYale
Korea (South)1005 Posts
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
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synaptik
Canada644 Posts
While I agree with that statement, SC2 as a spectator sport can't charge prices that are in the realm of professional PPVs, like boxing, UFC, etc. It just isn't up to that level yet. Nor is the target market's value-association. Also considering how its direct competitors (GSL, IEM, NASL) are offering free streams with options for HD, plus all those twitchtv series that are completely free and features some of the best koreans in the world, I don't see it working out. In the end, $20 is really a drop in the bucket. I pay more than $1200 a month for my car, more in mortgage, even gas is $100 a week for me. But I still won't be getting this. Why? Because I have limited time and all that time is spent watching GSL or twitchtv (for free). | ||
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zolii
Poland141 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:01 juicyjames wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique The door-in-the-face (DITF) technique is a persuasion method. The persuader attempts to convince someone to comply with a request by first making an extremely large request that the respondent will obviously turn down, with a metaphorical slamming of a door in the persuader's face. The respondent is then more likely to accede to a second, more reasonable request than if this second request were made without the first, extreme request. Robert Cialdini suggests this as a form of reciprocity, i.e. the (induced) sharp negative response to the first request creates a sense of debt or guilt that the second request offers to clear, and the reduced second request is interpreted by the receiver as a concession which is reciprocated by compliance with the request. Alternately, a reference point (or framing) construal may explain this phenomenon, as the initial bad offer sets a reference point from which the second offer looks like an improvement. This guys has a point - wait one week and you will see | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On February 14 2012 09:54 disciple wrote: So you need 100 000$ to fly your players and be able to offer high production value. I don't remember TSL3 needing that sort of funds and it was easily the most thrilling and memorable esports fan experience in my life. Have to agree with this. For many europeans (me at least) time zones and real life don't make it worth while to buy. I would have probably watched some games before going to sleep. At most i'd watch something like 5 hours, if I don't have any real life things going on. So not for me  also: If you want to take your involvement a step further, we are introducing the MLG Referral Program, where members of the industry and community will receive a portion of the proceeds raised from the new Premium Offerings in exchange for spreading the word. Not sure if needed.. | ||
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leecH
Germany385 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:00 beefhamburger wrote: I don't understand why you think anyone HERE has a definitive answer to their own agreement with Blizzard (except for the MLG liasons on this site which most surely won't come into this thread to answer that kind of question). Contact MLG or Blizzard directly if you want to find out. because maybe i dont follow EVERY torunament and EVERY thread on TL? maybe someone has an answer. i wasnt rude at all so whats your problem? its not offtopic or is it? (also i dont have twitter.) | ||
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Parsistamon
United States390 Posts
On February 14 2012 10:01 Xeris wrote: 100% support this. The Arena / Championship initiative is really good! Could you elaborate? I'm sure you have a better perspective than most of us. Is this where tournaments of the future are headed? | ||
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_PI
United States60 Posts
It's one thing if I pay knowing I could still watch it without paying, because essentially I'm willingly supporting your organization. But this feels like a "pay or get out" move and makes me less inclined to support MLG. For this event specifically, why would I pay the $20 for one weekend of coverage when I could just watch Assembly for nothing? | ||
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