EPTI guess I won't pay a cover charge and not buy 2 drinks this week :D
MLG Winter Arena to be PPV - Page 26
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
I guess I won't pay a cover charge and not buy 2 drinks this week :D | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:40 Angel_ wrote: Paying for the 'sake of esports' is the completely wrong mindset going into PPV. You're just throwing money away for no good reason. For long term sustainable growth you should be investing your $20 (or whatever) into tournaments you feel deserve that money - for their quality, professionalism or whatever. Reward based on content, not based on the false premise of growing esports. See, you say for the sake of ESPORTS you'll pay for it. But frankly for the "Sake of esports", you should tell MLG to find a different model than trying to force PPV to work. Because it won't in the long run. | ||
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Defrag
Poland414 Posts
On a sidenote I think this is suicidal - they will probably lose more due to adds on free streams, then make on ppv. | ||
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Depetrify
978 Posts
 I will definitely be paying for this! | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38256 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:40 Khenra wrote: I immensely enjoyed last year's MLG events. Especially the crowd made the events so great: I could feel the great atmosphere in my seat at home. However, it seems like there will not be a live crowd at this event? Or will there? I'm looking at their website for details, but I can find almost no information whatsoever on the actual event. What venue, what casters, will there be a crowd? Unfortunately, I will not be able to watch the tournament live, as I am busy that weekend. I will therefore not purchase a ticket. nah pretty sure there's no crowd for the winter arena stuff, just the players all in attendance. 0 atmosphere live events takes half the fun out of things =( | ||
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:38 Pholon wrote: 70$ for a full year of GSL (highest quality games, every single day) vs this. Won't be paying. People who say PPV is the only way to grow esports seem highly uncreative. BW did fine for 10 years running non-profit. Hmmm... meh. Ugh... this argument makes my head hurt every time I see it. BW was/is completely Korean. The biggest problem for teams/players/events is travel costs, which were/are nonexistent in BW. Flying players from all over the world to NY is a HUGE investment, having Koreans show up to the GOM studio is not. With that being said, I think the price is a little bit too high, but they'll most likely lower it in the future. I'm also chuckling at the "MLG IS SO GREEDY" and "MLG IS SCAM!!!" posts, as if it doesn't cost them a ridiculous amount of money to run these tournaments. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:36 swinkles wrote: god this is so indicative how how this generation (especially ones well versed with internet) just refuses to pay for content, no matter how enjoyable it may be. 3 days of games for 20 bucks, wheras ppv for boxing or ufc which is just one night can be anywhere around 70-80 dollars. if we really want to show we "care" and "support" esports, how is it possible to defend that statement if as a majority arent even motivated and passionate to flip 20 bucks for a tournament which has consistently proven to be entertaining and fun experience? it could be that everyone is just REALLY poor (i mean no disposable income at all, which is unlikely) or no job, but it sounds more like just whining and complaining that not everything is free. we've been spoiled with all the high quality content that starcraft 2 has provided, i think its disappointing we cant shell out a few bucks for a cause that has brought us much joy over the past years. I think everything that you said is definitely a factor in this attitude of resistance. The majority of the audience is certainly at least aware of torrenting and the argument can definitely be made that said people feel entitled to free content. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:39 hoby2000 wrote: Oh my god. This thread is making me facepalm so hard. You guys want esports to grow, but when the opportunity arises, you decide that it's a bad idea. The majority of you complaining about this are not thinking this through very clearly. Yeah, it's $20 for only 3 days. Do you know how businesses grow though? They do things like PPV, where they don't have to keep pouring their own money into a product. I don't know. I can't even begin to tell you how disgusted I am at most of you replying with "Oh my god, $20 is dumb. Not watching. horrible idea." Get real. If you guys actually understood how the real world works, you wouldn't be complaining and would be advocating this idea. But it seems you all live with your parents, or someone still pays for your shit. By all means, please pay $20 so you and 5k(max) other people can watch a weekend of games. PPV is a quick way to make money, MLG doesn't give a shit if E-sports grows. Because if there is a way too watch it for free the game can actually grow, more people can find out about it and so on. If you go PPV on a fkin game with such a small fanbase you just want to make some quick money. | ||
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LXR
357 Posts
On February 14 2012 07:52 Otolia wrote: Indeed. EDIT : Actually this is almost a scam. The news from the Arena was a month ago, they could perfectly announce the system at that time. Instead they choose to do now as the Arena date is approaching and people are psyched. Good decision making there, MLG. Time will tell if you were right. how is this a scam? Just because you don't want to pay for it doesn't mean they tricked you. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:37 SMD wrote: Do you understand how much money it takes to fly players in from Korea and Europe, and have them stay for 3nights at least in NEW YORK CITY? Their 100k estimate seems reasonable to me. If they didnt pay for any player and made the player pay, the prize pool could be 100k, maybe thats a better move? But it would be a huge risk to players/teams to pay 3k+ to fly in stay for 4 days, and not win anything. Make a clever guess then, gauge community on how they'd feel about paying for such a tournament. Dont just do it then annouce PPV | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
I am sure many, like me, would be willing to pay a symbolic amount even thou we wont be watching every single game. But 20$ is over the top and i dont think this will work out. | ||
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lyrlian
Netherlands257 Posts
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
kids good, fun to watch and free. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:36 swinkles wrote: god this is so indicative how how this generation (especially ones well versed with internet) just refuses to pay for content, no matter how enjoyable it may be. 3 days of games for 20 bucks, wheras ppv for boxing or ufc which is just one night can be anywhere around 70-80 dollars. if we really want to show we "care" and "support" esports, how is it possible to defend that statement if as a majority arent even motivated and passionate to flip 20 bucks for a tournament which has consistently proven to be entertaining and fun experience? it could be that everyone is just REALLY poor (i mean no disposable income at all, which is unlikely) or no job, but it sounds more like just whining and complaining that not everything is free. we've been spoiled with all the high quality content that starcraft 2 has provided, i think its disappointing we cant shell out a few bucks for a cause that has brought us much joy over the past years. People don't like to pay for overpriced services. People make comparaisons. People are more aware of what is too much and what is reasonnable. It's silly to believe people will accept to pay for something they use to have free. | ||
Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
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Josh111
United States239 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:39 hoby2000 wrote: Oh my god. This thread is making me facepalm so hard. You guys want esports to grow, but when the opportunity arises, you decide that it's a bad idea. The majority of you complaining about this are not thinking this through very clearly. Yeah, it's $20 for only 3 days. Do you know how businesses grow though? They do things like PPV, where they don't have to keep pouring their own money into a product. I don't know. I can't even begin to tell you how disgusted I am at most of you replying with "Oh my god, $20 is dumb. Not watching. horrible idea." Get real. If you guys actually understood how the real world works, you wouldn't be complaining and would be advocating this idea. But it seems you all live with your parents, or someone still pays for your shit. BW grew from nothing to a huge sporting event around the world but more specifically Korea for 10 years without going to a ppv forma Im sure most of the people who are complaining are not living with the parents and don't have someone to pay for their shit. THATS WHY THEY ARE COMPLAINING. Its expensive to live these days with school and the difficulty to find a career oriented job so for MLG to all of a sudden make us pay 20 bucks for every time they do one of these Arenas people get upset. Especially when there is so much free content out there right now in the scene. The only other esport related company that charges like this is GSL but that is even free to watch live and is a lot better value then this 20 dollars for 3 days. | ||
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Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
i love starcraft streams and i stay up until 4 AM to watch MLG events but i will not pay for access to a stream, never ever. It's not something i want to spend money on. I will just watch whatever event has a free stream, in this case Assembly. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
The vast majority of fans in the current starcraft community are students...asking for 20 dollars for a weekend seems insignifcant to anyone with a job, but you are pitching to the wrong crowd when alot of them live on 50 bucks a week (I did in university to avoid massive student loans). I personally will pay 20$ to watch it this weekend (because I can afford it and I'm not bitter about supporting it) but I can honestly see why someone wouldnt. I mean they havent even had a fully successfull season yet, the rules werent set in stone, the format is new and they are going to pay per view? My guess is MLG will see half the viewership or less, and assembly will see significantly more. | ||
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Lord_J
Kenya1085 Posts
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Scootaloo
655 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:40 Kharnage wrote: $20 for MLG content for an arena of fuckin' awesome players. That sounds good. Will I spend the money? Hard to say right now, time-zone from Aus is screwy, dunno what else I need to get done that weekend. If I can't watch it live due to time-zone, then I'll probably just watch the vods a week later. The most persuasive thing to about paying the $20 is to support MLG who gave me so much good stuff last year for free, this is a good chance for me to say thank you. MLG, you're fucking awesome. Thanks for the SC2 goodness. It's FREE a WEEK LATER you dumb shit. If you pirate it's free a couple of hours later you dumb shit. | ||
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