EPTMLG Winter Arena to be PPV - Page 24
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:22 shinyA wrote: That's not the point. For MLG to charge $20 for 2 days for an event, you have to weigh that price against other things that we have. You don't just ignore the competitive prices of other events when you go to pay for something. You don't go to the grocery store and buy something for more money when you can get something the same or better for less. GSL charges less and has higher production and still offers a free alternative. Assembly will have free HD streams going on at the same time as this MLG event. We've had previous MLG, Dreamhack, GSL, etc all for free and to be honest it's been MLG that's been more known for 'technical difficulties and crappy formats' than any of the others yet they are the ones going first for the PPV model? My first thought was comparing MLG to GSL. GSL you get a few months of content for $5 less and GSL has a higher prize pool, why is it then that GSL gives more money to the players and charges less? MLG is doing something wrong, I know they are paying travel and what not but they also seem to have more sponsors than GSL and they run ads, which GSL doesn't. All in all, I feel like they are being extremely greedy and if someone can't/doesn't want to pay $20 for MLG you shouldn't call THEM greedy or poor because it's MLG who's begging for money. The problem with your argument is the lack of sustainability of western professional SC2. The argument we should "weigh that price against other things that we have" would inevitably lead to there never being PPV tournaments, since as you say we've had and continue to have some free HD tournaments. The fact that you point to Assembly's free HD as a standard by which we should compare the MLG PPV is telling. Moreover the comparison to GSL is unfair because GSL has access to a domestic audience where Starcraft is already popular. Thus GSL has a foundation to work from that western tournaments do not. So it's reasonable for western tournaments to charge more than GSL does. If we believe what Sundance is telling us (and I don't think he would lie to the community), then there needs to be some cash infusion from the community if MLG (and probably other western tournaments) is to continue existing at its current quality level. Now, if you don't think you have $20 to spare, that's certainly your prerogative. But to say that the price of western SC2 PPV should always correspond to its market value when compared to Korean (read: GSL) tournaments is to say that you're fine with western pro SC2 dying out sooner than later. For the sake of esports, I and I believe many others will be paying for this. And while I know a plea for civility is probably futile on an internet forum, you shouldn't use exaggerated language such as "greedy" if you want this thread to be a productive discussion. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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hoby2000
United States918 Posts
You guys want esports to grow, but when the opportunity arises, you decide that it's a bad idea. The majority of you complaining about this are not thinking this through very clearly. Yeah, it's $20 for only 3 days. Do you know how businesses grow though? They do things like PPV, where they don't have to keep pouring their own money into a product. I don't know. I can't even begin to tell you how disgusted I am at most of you replying with "Oh my god, $20 is dumb. Not watching. horrible idea." Get real. If you guys actually understood how the real world works, you wouldn't be complaining and would be advocating this idea. But it seems you all live with your parents, or someone still pays for your shit. | ||
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UncleSam
Spain62 Posts
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falafelnr1
Sweden444 Posts
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Kazuki
Netherlands121 Posts
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jambajoe
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SMD
Canada627 Posts
Very valid point, I would probably pay for it, except ill be working friday night/saturday, so 20% for sunday isn't worth it to me, If they introduced a fee of like 10$ or something for a day, they could get a lot of viewers to buy sunday to see the final matches play out. | ||
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EagleShade
United States42 Posts
Out of intrest, how much does PPV cost for the viewers of boxing/MMA or whatever else? Typically in the $50 ish range depending on HD or not. That is for ONE event of about 3 hours with about 6 matches on it. I get why they are doing it. It makes since. The problem with this is when comparing this 3 day event with a 3 hour event is the idea of "being able to invite people over and pitch in for the cost." You can't do that for a 3 day event the way you can for a 3 hour event. "Hey, you guys wanna come over and watch MLG with me for 3 days? If we all pitch in, it'll be like $5 per person." ... I don't think so. | ||
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:33 Yamulo wrote: Not everyone can pay 20$ for one weekend... I don't know how you can be mad at people feeling entitled either when plently of other tourneys still offer lq streams. Also, I don't understand why you should really show loyalty to a tournament, you should watch what is best for you, so if people get mad that MLG decided to charge for ppv then they should go watch the other FREE tourney... This is Econ 101 stuff. People can choose to watch MLG for $20. Or they can choose to watch Assembly, or Asus ROG for free. Which ever benefits people the most is the route they choose. Everyone seeks they own self interest. Viewers do, as well as the business's like MLG, Assembly, and ASUS ROG. You cannot get mad at someone for doing whats in their own best interest. I don't understand where this entitlement thing is coming from either. I would step back and separate the logic from emotion's before flaming. | ||
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Kelsier.
United States103 Posts
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Gator
United States3432 Posts
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Fojji
United Kingdom217 Posts
Assembly time | ||
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Scootaloo
655 Posts
- mod edit - User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:39 Doodsmack wrote: The problem with your argument is the lack of sustainability of western professional SC2. The argument we should "weigh that price against other things that we have" would inevitably lead to there never being PPV tournaments, since as you say we've had and continue to have some free HD tournaments. The fact that you point to Assembly's free HD as a standard by which we should compare the MLG PPV is telling. Moreover the comparison to GSL is unfair because GSL has access to a domestic audience where Starcraft is already popular. Thus GSL has a foundation to work from that western tournaments do not. So it's reasonable for western tournaments to charge more than GSL does. If we believe what Sundance is telling us (and I don't think he would lie to the community), then there needs to be some cash infusion from the community if MLG (and probably other western tournaments) is to continue existing at its current quality level. Now, if you don't think you have $20 to spare, that's certainly your prerogative. But to say that the price of western SC2 PPV should always correspond to its market value when compared to Korean (read: GSL) tournaments is to say that you're fine with western pro SC2 dying out sooner than later. For the sake of esports, I and I believe many others will be paying for this. And while I know a plea for civility is probably futile on an internet forum, you shouldn't use exaggerated language such as "greedy" if you want this thread to be a productive discussion. See, you say for the sake of ESPORTS you'll pay for it. But frankly for the "Sake of esports", you should tell MLG to find a different model than trying to force PPV to work. Because it won't in the long run. | ||
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Kharnage
Australia920 Posts
Will I spend the money? Hard to say right now, time-zone from Aus is screwy, dunno what else I need to get done that weekend. If I can't watch it live due to time-zone, then I'll probably just watch the vods a week later. The most persuasive thing to about paying the $20 is to support MLG who gave me so much good stuff last year for free, this is a good chance for me to say thank you. MLG, you're fucking awesome. Thanks for the SC2 goodness. On February 14 2012 08:40 Scootaloo wrote: Fuck you Sundance =D Hey, them pulling this dumb ass shit will at least prompt the pirating community to start ripping MLG. I know I'll be checking my torrent trackers. It's FREE a WEEK LATER you dumb shit. | ||
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Khenra
Netherlands885 Posts
However, it seems like there will not be a live crowd at this event? Or will there? I'm looking at their website for details, but I can find almost no information whatsoever on the actual event. What venue, what casters, will there be a crowd? Unfortunately, I will not be able to watch the tournament live, as I am busy that weekend. I will therefore not purchase a ticket. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:38 Pholon wrote: 70$ for a full year of GSL (highest quality games, every single day) vs this. Won't be paying. People who say PPV is the only way to grow esports seem highly uncreative. BW did fine for 10 years running non-profit. Hmmm... meh. Isn't BW partially subsidized by the Korean government? | ||
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