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On February 14 2012 08:31 quantumslip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:25 ELA wrote:On February 14 2012 08:22 Pipeline wrote:On February 14 2012 08:09 R1CH wrote:On February 14 2012 08:09 Rabbet wrote:On February 14 2012 08:05 Chill wrote:I think I'll be at barcraft  This would make Barcrafts illegal. Cannot publicly display a subscribed service without a special license. UFC being played at a bar have to get a special subscription and license. Considering the news suggests watching at a Barcraft, I doubt that. It's a dangerous precedent, which is easy for MLG to flip on. GomTV was for Barcrafts at the start, not so any more. Numerous people, including my local barcraft, got a email where they asked not to continue to show matches from one account. Whoa, really? I never knew about this... Well, does GOM give any option for Barcrafts to pay for a "Barcraft"-account? In any case, its a real shame if Barcrafts are not happening because of this.... Wrong! Why are you twisting the truth and sprouting lies? That situation was with regards to a Barcraft in Seoul, near the GOM TV studios, not with barcrafting of GSL events in other locations. See here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305716¤tpage=7#138Yea you can debate whether GOMTV was right/wrong to do this, but with regards to what you said, that GOMTV was against Barcrafts period, that is an absolute lie.
What? What lies? Twisting trouth?
You've got the wrong man dawg!
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On February 14 2012 08:33 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:32 red4ce wrote:
The worst part of this is that Mr. Chae and snowbird are gonna see this thread, and when they see how everyone is talking about what a better value GSL is they'll bump the price of the GSL tickets by 50%. Probably -.-
I actually hope they take the opposite route and capitalize on this MLG error by offering their tickets at a discounted rate.
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Love MLG, love their content. I certainly think that its reasonable for them to charge for it since their content is a cut above most of what is out there.
That being said, I will be surprised if their content is enough better than everyone else's content (especially when there is so much good content out there) that it will be worth $20 to most people. I just think the price point is too high too fast.
Given my work schedule, I couldn't watch a lot of the even live anyway. I would have been happy to tune in to some of it and boost their ad revenue. Heck, I would have been happy to pay something like $3-5 to have access and support them, but $20 is too much.
I know pay starcraft is coming, but I don't think we're quite to the $20 pay per view level yet. I would also prefer to see the pricing go more the pay per month direction than the pay per event direction. I've always thought it was absurd to pay the same price as a month of basic cable for a single boxing match (for example). Anyway, my two cents, always want MLG and Starcraft 2 to succeed but I gotta vote with my feet on this one.
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Your telling me that chargeing $20 for the stream and you can't fork out more than $26,000 TOTAL prize money for the tournament ...... what a fucking joke. Someone's pockets are getting bigger and as per usual it's not the players that in reality are what makes these companies to start off with.
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On February 14 2012 08:26 Dranak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:21 neurosx wrote:On February 14 2012 08:18 careohx wrote:On February 14 2012 08:10 NewK wrote:
MLG is so greedy it's not even funny. They're charging 20$ for a 3day stream with ads while us gold-members aren't covered at all. Yet they have such a low price pool compared to a tournament like Dreamhack where you get HD stream for FREE while sitting thru 1 telia ad with calm music in it between each game. I'd rather donate 20$ to DreamHack and watch Assembly than pay MLG 20$ and watch both. Sundance is only in it for the money. Yeah the price pool may not be 100k but they are paying full travel fees for 32 PLAYERS please think before you speak. You could just as well think of it as prize and then the prize pool is 125k.... MLG has the best players in the world right now. NesTea,MVP,HuK,MC,PartinG,MarineKing,NaNiwa,Leenock,Oz...... You rarely see such stacked tournament. If we want Esports to grow this is necessary. So making students who are the major viewers of those events and who can't afford much money not being able to watch some streams is necessary for esports to grow ? Isn't that quite the opposite ? It's $20 for an entire weekend, or about $1/hr if you watch it all. That's not exactly expensive.
That's expensive when you already spent 115$ on a yearly GSL pass, and you have a gold membership in MLG, I really feel fucking butthurt right now. 20$ for 3 days is _not_ okay however way you want to turn it around.
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On February 14 2012 08:33 canikizu wrote:
PPV concept has always been like this. The viewers count will go down, but if the number is high enough, they still make money and still gonna start others PPV tournaments in the future.
Personally, I'm okay with it although I'm a little annoyed. It's a niche market and as long as it makes money, it's gonna stay there.
I just dont get how its going to make money if you figure that you would be looking at around 100k viewers for the winter arena and you need 5% of them to pay to watch it. I know thinking about it in those terms it sounds reasonable but that is actually a harder number to reach than it sounds like.
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On February 14 2012 08:28 Soleron wrote:
Price needs to be lower. $15 for 2 months of GSL content seems fair. $20 for 2 days is not.
MLG here is what I am willing to pay: $60 for the same as last year (six Pro Circuit events).
You also need to announce the casters, and soon, before anyone commits to this kind of money.
So you are only willing to pay the same amount as last year, even though there will be MORE content and a better product? Well thats just silly.
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On February 14 2012 08:33 Xcobidoo wrote:
For everyone saying 20 is cheap and everyone who does not pay are just greedy: you can't compare to going to the cinema, or theater, or having a nice meal. It's all about what you're asked to pay and what you SHOULD pay. Going to the cinema is really expensive but where's the alternative? The alternatives to high-level starcraft 2 are EVERYWHERE. If I was asked to pay a nickel every year for the air I breathe, I would be outraged. Not because it's expensive but because I shouldn't have to pay seeing all the alternatives.
I'd stop paying GOM aswell if I thought their pricing went too high, not because I can't afford it but because it's not worth it.
In what world is $20USD not a reasonable price for a weekend of high quality entertainment? The entitlement of people is unreal. There's a case to be made about whether MLG provides high quality entertainment but after their last few tournaments I don't know how you could think otherwise...
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still seeing posts of veiled or outright accusations of calling this all a scam... i understand the other concerns, but to stoop to such a low level makes me sad.
then again, we are talking about some people who rage and call other people silly names when they lose...
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I'll pass, I already have a gold membership, I am not willing to pay even more for just one more weekend, especially since I miss about 1/3 the day being in Aus.
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if they made this 10 dollars people wouldn't be freaking out so much. horrible initial price point.
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On February 14 2012 08:32 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:30 JJH777 wrote:
What the hell? 20$? I paid 15 for this season of GSL and am getting like 10x the content (if not more) plus higher quality production + higher quality play + higher quality casters. their horrible outfits make them the worst casters in the world. harsh but true
lol, just lol. I won't pay for this though, I'd rather watch assembly. Let's go, TLO!
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On February 14 2012 08:26 careohx wrote:Btw whats up with Blizzard rule? Where you must have a free option? http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/videopolicy.html******************** Limitation of Usage Neither you nor the operator of any website where your Production(s) may be viewed can force a viewer to pay a "fee" to be able to view your Production(s). *********************************************
Hmmm...
Well that is very interesting...
Though GSL AoL gets away with it...
Maybe the free vods after a week count?
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There is too much competition out there to be asking for 20$.
Well, looks like my weekend just opened up.
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On February 14 2012 08:33 DrPandaPhD wrote:I'd love to pay to MLG because it's helps. But $20 for 2days seem to be a bit out of hand. I am a student, not a millionarie  Wish it was like $5.
Same here. I am willing to pay, but 20 $ for one weekend is a bit to much for me. :/
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On February 14 2012 08:27 R1CH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:20 Volrath wrote:
Thing is, 20$ is ALOT by e-sports standards for a 3 day event. Even GSL is cheaper and has waaay more content. You have to set your prices to match your market, which MLG isn't. Especially with another big event going on at the same time. This is borderline stupid to be honest. It does not matter that UFC or some other well established sport is 5 times more expensive, this is irrelevant for e-sports. The e-sports scene is not there yet and they will likely loose alot in ad revenue, much more than they will add with this new cash flow. You have to remember that GSL has no costs other than the production / stream. MLG is flying players (including a lot from Korea) to New York City and having them stay in hotels in Manhattan. That does not come cheap. Whether they will exploit the fact they have all the players in the same location or not remains to be seen, they will need to make it special enough so it doesn't look like it could have all been done from online / replays.
Surely that just shows how stupid this idea is, they're having a fully offline event in one of the most expensive cities in the world with ZERO offline spectators. I mean fuck they could have this event in bumblefuck kansas and everyone who would've watched it before will watch it now. Its not like the event will happen on the roof of a fucking skyscraper and the loser has to jump off. This event makes zero sense.
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On February 14 2012 08:23 nick1689 wrote:
I dont get this community sometimes... You expect MLG to put this show on for free? Theyre spending $100k+ on bringing together the best starcraft 2 players in the world, putting on high production, and youre telling them to fuck off? For 20 bucks? Thats being selfish, and asking for way more than you deserve. So many spoiled brats who don't appreciate anything
Guess whats happens if MLG doesnt make money? No more tournies. Are you going to complain when that happens as well?
Yeah man we should support the job creators!! Let's do this by extrapolating ridiculous conclusions from a flawed premise!!
If you think the content that you'll get is worth $20 (regardless of whether it turns out to be), spend the money on it, otherwise don't. For the love of christ please don't give money to capitalist enterprises because you have some bizarre idea that the SC2 community is indebted to them or that they're the only way forward.
Not only is it a retarded premise brough about by groupthink communal logic dodging, it will actively hurt the enterprises you're spending money on in the long term because eventually you'll stop spending money based on a random intangible ideology and if you never thought the product was worth it on its own merits you wouldn't have paid. This results in companies getting artificially inflated earnings, on which they base future plans which then can't be supported because the expected growth never occurs.
In conclusion, stop being dumb and calling people selfish for valuing MLG content at a different level than you.
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god this is so indicative how how this generation (especially ones well versed with internet) just refuses to pay for content, no matter how enjoyable it may be.
3 days of games for 20 bucks, wheras ppv for boxing or ufc which is just one night can be anywhere around 70-80 dollars. if we really want to show we "care" and "support" esports, how is it possible to defend that statement if as a majority arent even motivated and passionate to flip 20 bucks for a tournament which has consistently proven to be entertaining and fun experience?
it could be that everyone is just REALLY poor (i mean no disposable income at all, which is unlikely) or no job, but it sounds more like just whining and complaining that not everything is free. we've been spoiled with all the high quality content that starcraft 2 has provided, i think its disappointing we cant shell out a few bucks for a cause that has brought us much joy over the past years.
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On February 14 2012 08:33 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:30 Pholon wrote:On February 14 2012 08:17 Dodgin wrote:On February 14 2012 08:13 huehuehuehue wrote:
For the people who are "omg 20 bukks are you poor lul thats nothing", you have to consider that most SC fans are young, and probably don't have loads of money to spend. Obviously you can say that "well the game costs 60$ and look at how much your computer costs", but that's not the same, you can't compare them. I'm 15 and there is no way that i would pay 20$ just to watch ONE event, maybe for a month of GSL i'd pay.
Out of intrest, how much does PPV cost for the viewers of boxing/MMA or whatever else?
Also, someone should make a poll to see how many people are going to pay for this and how many are not. I've edited my post on the first page with a poll. you can quote your own poll/report it and it'll show up in multiple places but still work. edit: Poll: Will you pay for this?No (3762) 89% Yes (452) 11% 4214 total votes Your vote: Will you pay for this? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Does anyone else think they'd get at least 4x the number if they just charged 5USD?
Absolutely. 5$ is more in line with what a weekend event is worth.
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On February 14 2012 08:34 ELA wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:31 quantumslip wrote:On February 14 2012 08:25 ELA wrote:On February 14 2012 08:22 Pipeline wrote:On February 14 2012 08:09 R1CH wrote:On February 14 2012 08:09 Rabbet wrote:On February 14 2012 08:05 Chill wrote:I think I'll be at barcraft This would make Barcrafts illegal. Cannot publicly display a subscribed service without a special license. UFC being played at a bar have to get a special subscription and license. Considering the news suggests watching at a Barcraft, I doubt that. It's a dangerous precedent, which is easy for MLG to flip on. GomTV was for Barcrafts at the start, not so any more. Numerous people, including my local barcraft, got a email where they asked not to continue to show matches from one account. Whoa, really? I never knew about this... Well, does GOM give any option for Barcrafts to pay for a "Barcraft"-account? In any case, its a real shame if Barcrafts are not happening because of this.... Wrong! Why are you twisting the truth and sprouting lies? That situation was with regards to a Barcraft in Seoul, near the GOM TV studios, not with barcrafting of GSL events in other locations. See here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305716¤tpage=7#138Yea you can debate whether GOMTV was right/wrong to do this, but with regards to what you said, that GOMTV was against Barcrafts period, that is an absolute lie. What? What lies? Twisting trouth? You've got the wrong man dawg!
sorry, the quote block collapsed, should have focused on Pipeline. fixed that post
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