• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:06
CEST 05:06
KST 12:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers19Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers INu's Battles#14 <BO.9 2Matches> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Data needed
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro16 Group C [ASL21] Ro16 Group D
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1618 users

MLG Winter Arena to be PPV - Page 20

Forum Index > SC2 General
4945 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 18 19 20 21 22 248 Next
Criticism is allowed. Undue flaming is not. Take a second to think your post through before you submit.

Bans will be handed out.

Should go without saying, but don't link restreams here either.
Funkydonky
Profile Joined April 2011
950 Posts
February 13 2012 23:30 GMT
#381
Maybe if this for a real event i would consider paying, but its for an event without any audience/atmosphere + same week we have the opposite in assembly
Favorite players: Stephano, Mana, Polt, Lucifron, Nerchio
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
February 13 2012 23:31 GMT
#382
Good luck to them, I look forward to seeing the results of the matches and any write ups of the event after.
ZerguufOu
Profile Joined December 2011
United States107 Posts
February 13 2012 23:31 GMT
#383
On February 14 2012 08:28 Soleron wrote:
Price needs to be lower. $15 for 2 months of GSL content seems fair. $20 for 2 days is not.

You also need to announce the casters, and soon, before anyone commits to this kind of money.


^this

User was warned for this post
quantumslip
Profile Joined May 2010
United States188 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 23:36:50
February 13 2012 23:31 GMT
#384
On February 14 2012 08:22 Pipeline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:09 R1CH wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:09 Rabbet wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:05 Chill wrote:
I think I'll be at barcraft


This would make Barcrafts illegal. Cannot publicly display a subscribed service without a special license. UFC being played at a bar have to get a special subscription and license.

Considering the news suggests watching at a Barcraft, I doubt that.


It's a dangerous precedent, which is easy for MLG to flip on. GomTV was for Barcrafts at the start, not so any more. Numerous people, including my local barcraft, got a email where they asked not to continue to show matches from one account.


Wrong! Why are you twisting the truth and sprouting lies? That situation was with regards to a Barcraft in Seoul, near the GOM TV studios, not with barcrafting of GSL events in other locations. See here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305716&currentpage=7#138

Yea you can debate whether GOMTV was right/wrong to do this, but with regards to what you said, that GOMTV was against Barcrafts period, that is an absolute lie.
rawr!
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
February 13 2012 23:31 GMT
#385
If I had to choose between paying for MLG or GSL it would be GSL 100% of the time.
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
February 13 2012 23:31 GMT
#386
On February 14 2012 08:27 R1CH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:20 Volrath wrote:
Thing is, 20$ is ALOT by e-sports standards for a 3 day event. Even GSL is cheaper and has waaay more content. You have to set your prices to match your market, which MLG isn't. Especially with another big event going on at the same time. This is borderline stupid to be honest. It does not matter that UFC or some other well established sport is 5 times more expensive, this is irrelevant for e-sports. The e-sports scene is not there yet and they will likely loose alot in ad revenue, much more than they will add with this new cash flow.

You have to remember that GSL has no costs other than the production / stream. MLG is flying players (including a lot from Korea) to New York City and having them stay in hotels in Manhattan. That does not come cheap. Whether they will exploit the fact they have all the players in the same location or not remains to be seen, they will need to make it special enough so it doesn't look like it could have all been done from online / replays.


Im sorry, but do you actually have any facts to back up your claim that GomTV has no expenses? Don't they run a pro gaming house for foreigners all year long? I have no insight if and what it costs to run their stream on TV and not just over the internet, but I don't think it's 'cheap'.
GoonFFS
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark323 Posts
February 13 2012 23:31 GMT
#387
What a joke.. Looks like assembly will actually be getting viewers this time around
http://konvictgaming.com/ -> @KrugerFFS
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
February 13 2012 23:31 GMT
#388
On February 14 2012 07:52 Dodgin wrote:
Guess I am watching assembly.

They are really shooting themselves in the foot trying to do this while another major event is going on at the same time. But I guess it is just a test.

Poll: Will you pay for this?

No (3762)
 
89%

Yes (452)
 
11%

4214 total votes

Your vote: Will you pay for this?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


Bump so more people can vote
¯\_(シ)_/¯
saksy2
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway520 Posts
February 13 2012 23:31 GMT
#389
Last season MLG reported record number of viewers after every event, while still having a pretty small prizepool (5000 on most of the events). This year I bught MLG gold, and expected to be able to watch every MLG event, at least on a low quality stream becuase my internet speed is kinda terrible. Now they expect me to dish up 20$ extra for an event that I can only watch 6-7 hours of because of time zones?
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
February 13 2012 23:31 GMT
#390
Dont really think 20$ is that much, considering what other entertainment you can get for the same price.

However, no means to currently pay online, overall laziness, being european with worse watching times and assembly being same weekend still means I wont be paying.
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
February 13 2012 23:31 GMT
#391
First of all: Congratulations to Assembly, your viewercount just got a massive increase.

Even though I feel that MLG is taking a huge risk introducing PPV while Assembly is going on at the same days I don't think that is their biggest problem. The biggest problem will be that they have no room for error at all; any sympathy for technical problems (whether you can prevent them or not!) is out of the window when you charge people money.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
February 13 2012 23:32 GMT
#392
On February 14 2012 08:29 disciple wrote:
Very interesting move by mlg. I think they will miss their underage audience and europe completely but on the other hand Im sure they are going to meet the numbers they set for themselves.

I wonder what kind of numbers they need to make this profitable. IMO, a 90% viewership decline wouldn't be surprising when Assembly is on the same weekend. But 10,000 viewers = 200k so maybe that's enough for them.
Moderator
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
February 13 2012 23:32 GMT
#393
On February 14 2012 08:30 JJH777 wrote:
What the hell? 20$? I paid 15 for this season of GSL and am getting like 10x the content (if not more) plus higher quality production + higher quality play + higher quality casters.

their horrible outfits make them the worst casters in the world. harsh but true
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
February 13 2012 23:32 GMT
#394
Well I guess this is the best exposure Assembly could've asked for ^^.
Josh111
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States239 Posts
February 13 2012 23:32 GMT
#395
People saying that 20 bucks is a fine price because a 2 hour movie is 10 bucks are stupid..

You cant compare a movie theater to showing matches live.. If you want to compare then compare the GSL or other sporting events.

The NBA package i pay for is around 40 bucks for a month of content.

GSL if free if you want to watch live and if not, it costs money but the value is far better then what MLG is offering.

I don't really mind that MLG is going to a PPV format but 20 bucks? Way to expensive.. I hope most people even if they can or want to pay don't to send a message to MLG.

Also you are going to have to dish out 20 bucks for every Arena right? so that's 80 bucks for the season?? GG
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 13 2012 23:32 GMT
#396
On February 14 2012 08:30 Pholon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:17 Dodgin wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:13 huehuehuehue wrote:
For the people who are "omg 20 bukks are you poor lul thats nothing", you have to consider that most SC fans are young, and probably don't have loads of money to spend. Obviously you can say that "well the game costs 60$ and look at how much your computer costs", but that's not the same, you can't compare them. I'm 15 and there is no way that i would pay 20$ just to watch ONE event, maybe for a month of GSL i'd pay.

Out of intrest, how much does PPV cost for the viewers of boxing/MMA or whatever else?

Also, someone should make a poll to see how many people are going to pay for this and how many are not.


I've edited my post on the first page with a poll.


you can quote your own poll/report it and it'll show up in multiple places but still work.

edit:

Poll: Will you pay for this?

No (3762)
 
89%

Yes (452)
 
11%

4214 total votes

Your vote: Will you pay for this?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Thanks Pholon, I didn't know it worked like that.
wun4
Profile Joined March 2011
Slovakia91 Posts
February 13 2012 23:32 GMT
#397
I have my doubts that MLG will get larger profits with this system compared to their old model. I certainly won't be paying for this, though I don't doubt it will be good entertainment. When I think about it, $20 really isn't that unreasonable compared to the price of, say, going to the movies. However, when those $20 are contrasted with all the comparably entertaining free content, it becomes quite unappealing.
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
February 13 2012 23:32 GMT
#398
what if someone puts up a stream and starts streaming HQ video from the arena? Will MLG take action and has I as a streamer or viewer broken any moral code?
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Azhrei16
Profile Joined August 2011
United States284 Posts
February 13 2012 23:32 GMT
#399
I understand the decision, what I don't understand is the pricing. An entire one year membership is only $30, yet to make money they need to pay $20 per Arena event? Why not just increase the price of the one year membership and lower the cost of the Arena events? Say $60 a year and $10 per Arena.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
February 13 2012 23:32 GMT
#400
The worst part of this is that Mr. Chae and snowbird are gonna see this thread, and when they see how everyone is talking about what a better value GSL is they'll bump the price of the GSL tickets by 50%.
Prev 1 18 19 20 21 22 248 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
19:00
RO16 TieBreaker - Group A
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 538
RuFF_SC2 211
ProTech2
StarCraft: Brood War
Stork 365
ggaemo 86
Nal_rA 18
910 1
League of Legends
JimRising 643
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King42
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor207
Other Games
summit1g10338
Fnx 1119
WinterStarcraft200
ViBE151
kaitlyn34
amsayoshi30
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1116
BasetradeTV204
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Sammyuel 28
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 72
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo950
Other Games
• Scarra2461
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6h 54m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
7h 54m
MaxPax vs SHIN
Clem vs Classic
Ladder Legends
11h 54m
Solar vs GgMaChine
Bunny vs Cham
ByuN vs MaxPax
BSL
15h 54m
CranKy Ducklings
20h 54m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
Wardi Open
1d 6h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 6h
Soma vs hero
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 12h
Replay Cast
1d 20h
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Leta vs YSC
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Escore
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W4
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.