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Criticism is allowed. Undue flaming is not. Take a second to think your post through before you submit.

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Should go without saying, but don't link restreams here either.
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 23:30:42
February 13 2012 23:28 GMT
#361
Price needs to be lower. $15 for 2 months of GSL content seems fair. $20 for 2 days is not.

MLG here is what I am willing to pay: $60 for the same as last year (six Pro Circuit events).

You also need to announce the casters, and soon, before anyone commits to this kind of money.
Elwar
Profile Joined August 2010
953 Posts
February 13 2012 23:28 GMT
#362
No thanks.

Theres no reason to believe that this will help 'raise standards' as opposed to 'make MLG a shit ton of profit if successful'. Nor do I care about 'raised standards' if it means SC2 will become an expensive, PPV-laden hobby. I paid for 4 seasons of GSL before it became unreasonably priced, I've paid for two ESL.tv events (very low price, much higher quality than this event will be). I hope this initiative fails and people don't become suckered by the ever-present 'support E-sports!!1!' lines, but we'll see and good luck to MLG and the events to follow this in the future if it succeeds.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
February 13 2012 23:28 GMT
#363
On February 14 2012 08:24 obesemk wrote:
"The same basic Championship experience that was free last year will still be available as a free broadcast; so will events like the Online Qualifiers."

What is the basic championship experience?


Everything they had last year is the same. You can watch the equivalent of the stuff they had last year for free, or you can get HD for a little money.

The new content that they are adding this year that wasn't in place last year now is going to cost money.
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10340 Posts
February 13 2012 23:28 GMT
#364
On February 14 2012 08:26 careohx wrote:
Btw whats up with Blizzard rule? Where you must have a free option? http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/videopolicy.html
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Limitation of Usage

Neither you nor the operator of any website where your Production(s) may be viewed can force a viewer to pay a "fee" to be able to view your Production(s).
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You don't think MLG are big enough to have a special agreement with Blizzard? That page is for people making YouTube videos, not businesses running leagues.
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Poo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada536 Posts
February 13 2012 23:28 GMT
#365
I would consider paying for it, but my main question is will there be replays available for download if we buy the PPV? Or will those be open to the general popular/or not at all?
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Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
February 13 2012 23:28 GMT
#366
Lol I can see them barely covering the flights and hotel fees out of the PPV's for this, let alone prizes or production costs.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
February 13 2012 23:29 GMT
#367
Very interesting move by mlg. I think they will miss their underage audience and europe completely but on the other hand Im sure they are going to meet the numbers they set for themselves.
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Matpakke
Profile Joined December 2011
4 Posts
February 13 2012 23:29 GMT
#368
Well then assembly it is
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
February 13 2012 23:29 GMT
#369
On February 14 2012 08:23 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 07:51 Asha` wrote:
Assembly it is =)



I love you Asha' and understand your stance...

But with that said, Fuck you. If Sundance hasn't proven that he has a vision for e-sports yet, that he listens to the fans with their every complaint --well... aside from Extended series-- then I could appreciate this reaction.

But... Sundance has proven that he cares. And he has said before that if e-sports is to be successful as a business it can't keep leaking money with advertisements being the only stopper.

Personally I'm fine with this. I would NOT have been fine with this if this was a year ago. Dallas was a terrible, TERRIBLE thing. But with the quality that MLG (and other tournaments) provide, I am more than willing to pay for it. 2011 was a test run for SC2 as a serious international e-sport and it widely surpassed pretty much everyone's expectations. It's time to pay the piper now and I'm sorry to those that don't understand that. I'll be enjoying watching this fantastic event without you guys I guess.

Who cares what he has done in the past, or his vision of ESPORTS is. The truth is that he is isolating the MLG fan base, and isn't even doing it in a matter that is coherent. For one, the GSL is a better deal in EVERY SINGLE WAY, and two it is the same weekend as another tournament with a good player list as well. Oh yeah, and they offer a free stream.
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carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
February 13 2012 23:29 GMT
#370
On February 14 2012 08:14 EternitysEnd wrote:
So I guess Blizzard's official "video policy" doesn't pertain to MLG?

http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/videopolicy.html

I could be way off...can anyone explain this to me?
Or do the freed vods one week later do the trick?


Actually they are alright as they provide the VODs for free one week after.
http://www.twitch.tv/carloselcoco/b/296431601 <------Suscribe! Casts in Spanish :) |||| http://www.twitch.tv/carloselcoco/b/300285215<----- CSL: Before Sunday! Episode 3!
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
February 13 2012 23:29 GMT
#371
On February 14 2012 08:23 nick1689 wrote:
I dont get this community sometimes... You expect MLG to put this show on for free? Theyre spending $100k+ on bringing together the best starcraft 2 players in the world, putting on high production, and youre telling them to fuck off? For 20 bucks? Thats being selfish, and asking for way more than you deserve. So many spoiled brats who don't appreciate anything

Guess whats happens if MLG doesnt make money? No more tournies. Are you going to complain when that happens as well?


Maybe these spoiled brats you claim everyone as value the dollar bill more highly then you.
For some people it is expensive, when all they want to do is watch starcraft, which other tournaments are providing for free.
Its hard to compete with a free event
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AllSalesFinal
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States211 Posts
February 13 2012 23:29 GMT
#372
I am going to be watching Assembly I guess. $20 for a 3 day tournament just is not worth it to me. They should have at least offered a discount price for people who already have an MLG gold membership. I hope the games are good, but it is not worth my money at this point.
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ThreeActPlay
Profile Joined April 2011
United States249 Posts
February 13 2012 23:29 GMT
#373
i pay more exorbitant rates on a monthly basis for the gsl and the gstl -- take my money, sundance
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Ricemagical
Profile Joined November 2010
270 Posts
February 13 2012 23:29 GMT
#374
I tried to skim through the thread to make sure I'm not repeating anything, but why didn't they make the event available to live spectators? I feel like an audience would provides a lot of the excitement in a tournament and the money they can get would probably cover the venue cost and then some seeing as how they already have computers for the event and IEM has already shown that NYC has buildings that can accommodate such a tournament. I mean why spend the tens (maybe hundred?) thousands of dollars flying in players without any fans or anything. It seems like a mix of HSC and a regular LAN tournament without really accommodating either.
Jacmert
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1709 Posts
February 13 2012 23:29 GMT
#375
On February 14 2012 08:07 rewired wrote:
Me too, so I go to barcraft with the UBCSC and 604 Starcraft guys, use the awesome feature that TL has now to find a barcraft close to you and enjoy for a price you might think is fairer


Wait, Team Liquid has a WHAT feature?! P.S. I'm from Vancouver (area), too!

Whoa... http://www.teamliquid.net/barcraft/
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Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 23:31:07
February 13 2012 23:30 GMT
#376
On February 14 2012 08:17 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 08:13 huehuehuehue wrote:
For the people who are "omg 20 bukks are you poor lul thats nothing", you have to consider that most SC fans are young, and probably don't have loads of money to spend. Obviously you can say that "well the game costs 60$ and look at how much your computer costs", but that's not the same, you can't compare them. I'm 15 and there is no way that i would pay 20$ just to watch ONE event, maybe for a month of GSL i'd pay.

Out of intrest, how much does PPV cost for the viewers of boxing/MMA or whatever else?

Also, someone should make a poll to see how many people are going to pay for this and how many are not.


I've edited my post on the first page with a poll.


you can quote your own poll/report it and it'll show up in multiple places but still work.

edit:

Poll: Will you pay for this?

No (3762)
 
89%

Yes (452)
 
11%

4214 total votes

Your vote: Will you pay for this?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No

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Siliticx
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada206 Posts
February 13 2012 23:30 GMT
#377
I somehow feel like this might be a problem for BarCrafts out there? How does it works with PPV events in non-eSports usually? Can a bar simply broadcast an event or they have to pay a special fee?
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4407 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 23:31:55
February 13 2012 23:30 GMT
#378
What the hell? 20$? I paid 15 for this season of GSL and am getting like 10x the content (if not more) plus higher quality production + higher quality play + higher quality casters.

I really hope this fails hard. I could afford the 20$ if I wanted too but I will absolutely not pay for this simply because of how they are pricing it relative to the GSL while being a worse tournament. It is completely ridiculous.
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
February 13 2012 23:30 GMT
#379
Give it a shot see what happens, when it pays off for MLG everyone else will be jealous that they did not do it first.
Brood War forever!
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
February 13 2012 23:30 GMT
#380
im paying for the gsl since season 1 and im fine with that.
but i wont pay for mlg. i know that i wont watch the vods and im pretty sure that i wont be able to watch all 3 days...so 20$ are just too much.
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