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On February 25 2012 21:32 Batch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:18 Meiffeltower wrote:
Since we payed for VODs ... you need to fix em.. atm its just freeze lag in every VOD.. I have watched VODs for ~3h now without having any problems at all.
browser? computer?
im having the same lag issues.
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On February 25 2012 21:32 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:29 Batch wrote:On February 25 2012 21:09 shizna wrote:On February 25 2012 20:34 Madder wrote:On February 25 2012 20:34 Malaz wrote:On February 25 2012 20:24 Madder wrote:On February 25 2012 20:19 itsmeOrchiD wrote:
Like so many others I too would like to buy the PPV, bit an event that starts at midnight is just a tad too late. 10pm and It'd have been fine. I hope MLG could schedule future Arenas just somewhat earlier to let EU watch also! Why don't they make it so Australians can watch after coming home from work/school? Make it fit with everyone's schedule! You can't cater to everyone. Now just compare the size of the EU market with the Australian one... I know you can't cater to everyone, but catering, at least a bit, to the biggest foreign SC2 market is not that bad of an idea. Right, so maybe Europe can return the favor with all of the tournaments and make them all America-friendly? Get real, pal. sorry, if you have to pay full price for a show that goes from midnight through to 5am, something is wrong. obviously if it was earlier it would clash with assembly, but nonetheless when you're making exclusive content that's extremely inconvenient for non-americans - imo it SHOULD NOT BE FULL PRICE for non-americans. oh, and watching the vods the following day IS NOT WORTH PPV. how do the teams/players feel when the viewer base is cut to 20% or lower because the vast majority have been alienated? it's far more important to get recognition than even to win prize money. PPV does the opposite. Don't try to make your opinions sound like a public consensus. I watched games until 3AM when I went to bed. Now I'm watching VOD:s of the games I wanted to see but missed and it is totally worth it for me. Depends on the standards everyone has. I for one don't like to pay the same as someone who is seeing it live. It's absurd.
I guess they could sell VOD only access for $10 and live+VOD for $20.
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On February 25 2012 21:34 natebreen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:32 Batch wrote:On February 25 2012 21:18 Meiffeltower wrote:
Since we payed for VODs ... you need to fix em.. atm its just freeze lag in every VOD.. I have watched VODs for ~3h now without having any problems at all. browser? computer? im having the same lag issues.
I tried out and got it working perfectly with both "480p" and "Best" on Internet Explorer 9 and Firefox 10.0.
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MLG getting wayyyyyy to big for its boots. Sickens me however, how conditioned people are to defend these companies sitting firmly in their pockets just begging them to take their money off them.
All justified under the banner of "growing e-sports" i suppose... Well that's a load of crap. You can see how much MLG alone made last year, this is just pure corperate greed and i hope they burn. If this is the way e-sports is going, fuck e-sports really. I don't have to pay to watch any football match/tourney unless i want a seat, i'm damn well not going to for this, ever.
Oh well, prehaps some good will come of this. ESL and Dreamhack; much better quality events in all aspects imo, will have a big chance at becoming alot more dominant, as long as they aren't dumb/greedy enough to follow suit that is.
Complimentary "MLG killing esports."
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I purchased a PPV-pass. But I realized I am working all weekend long and the timezones are pretty annoying. The MLG webpage is pretty messy and you don't get the full picture where you can find info and streams, it takes some time to navigate through different links.
And the process when buying a PPV-pass is pretty funny: It wasn't enough to have a MLG-account when clicking buy, but I had to create a justin.tv account specifically to buy the PPV-pass. And I hate creating unneccessary accounts.
But the good thing is that I contributed to E-sports and Starcraft.
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On February 25 2012 21:37 Batch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:34 natebreen wrote:On February 25 2012 21:32 Batch wrote:On February 25 2012 21:18 Meiffeltower wrote:
Since we payed for VODs ... you need to fix em.. atm its just freeze lag in every VOD.. I have watched VODs for ~3h now without having any problems at all. browser? computer? im having the same lag issues. I tried out and got it working perfectly with both "480p" and "Best" on Internet Explorer 9 and Firefox 10.0.
This may be a dumb question but im not seeing a quality switch option.
How do I switch quality on the VOD?
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On February 25 2012 21:38 eRoN_ wrote:
MLG getting wayyyyyy to big for its boots. Sickens me however, how conditioned people are to defend these companies sitting firmly in their pockets just begging them to take their money off them.
All justified under the banner of "growing e-sports" i suppose... Well that's a load of crap. You can see how much MLG alone made last year, this is just pure corperate greed and i hope they burn. If this is the way e-sports is going, fuck e-sports really. I don't have to pay to watch any football match/tourney unless i want a seat, i'm damn well not going to for this, ever.
Oh well, prehaps some good will come of this. ESL and Dreamhack; much better quality events in all aspects imo, will have a big chance at becoming alot more dominant, as long as they aren't dumb/greedy enough to follow suit that is.
Complimentary "MLG killing esports."
They made a loss last year. Same with IPL, which was 6 figures into the red, and presumably the same as a lot of other tournaments.
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On February 25 2012 21:38 eRoN_ wrote:
MLG getting wayyyyyy to big for its boots. Sickens me however, how conditioned people are to defend these companies sitting firmly in their pockets just begging them to take their money off them.
All justified under the banner of "growing e-sports" i suppose... Well that's a load of crap. You can see how much MLG alone made last year, this is just pure corperate greed and i hope they burn. If this is the way e-sports is going, fuck e-sports really. I don't have to pay to watch any football match/tourney unless i want a seat, i'm damn well not going to for this, ever.
Oh well, prehaps some good will come of this. ESL and Dreamhack; much better quality events in all aspects imo, will have a big chance at becoming alot more dominant, as long as they aren't dumb/greedy enough to follow suit that is.
Complimentary "MLG killing esports."
Well, throwing out platitudes never really helps anyone.
If you're going to call them the "greedy corporation" then you'll be seen as the "vocal rabble-rousing minority."
I actually thought SOTG/ITG/LO3 were off base when Sundance mentioned the vocal minority, but it's pretty apparent on TL.
It's like following a band for years and then having them sign with a major label. Sorry you don't like the feel/treatment of it, but with or without you it's probably going to grow.
I think the dirty secret in all of this is that the demographics they want to adopt or convert for MLG are NOT hardcore gamers. NOT TL members. They already have those.
They are trying to get the casual guy who will see an ad for it online or on TV and check it out. That's the ultimate goal. That goal includes higher production, broadcasting, paid events, athletes, etc. All of which WILL require a PPV model.
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On February 25 2012 21:43 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:38 eRoN_ wrote:
MLG getting wayyyyyy to big for its boots. Sickens me however, how conditioned people are to defend these companies sitting firmly in their pockets just begging them to take their money off them.
All justified under the banner of "growing e-sports" i suppose... Well that's a load of crap. You can see how much MLG alone made last year, this is just pure corperate greed and i hope they burn. If this is the way e-sports is going, fuck e-sports really. I don't have to pay to watch any football match/tourney unless i want a seat, i'm damn well not going to for this, ever.
Oh well, prehaps some good will come of this. ESL and Dreamhack; much better quality events in all aspects imo, will have a big chance at becoming alot more dominant, as long as they aren't dumb/greedy enough to follow suit that is.
Complimentary "MLG killing esports." They made a loss last year. Same with IPL, which was 6 figures into the red, and presumably the same as a lot of other tournaments.
It may be that these organizations don't know how exactly to make money out of starcraft? Big prize pools and empty huge theaters doesn't seem a good plan so why should I feel bad for their loss? Taxing me because they can't do business doesn't seem fair.
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On February 25 2012 21:41 natebreen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:37 Batch wrote:On February 25 2012 21:34 natebreen wrote:On February 25 2012 21:32 Batch wrote:On February 25 2012 21:18 Meiffeltower wrote:
Since we payed for VODs ... you need to fix em.. atm its just freeze lag in every VOD.. I have watched VODs for ~3h now without having any problems at all. browser? computer? im having the same lag issues. I tried out and got it working perfectly with both "480p" and "Best" on Internet Explorer 9 and Firefox 10.0. This may be a dumb question but im not seeing a quality switch option. How do I switch quality on the VOD?
I got the option next to the "Pop-out" and "Full screen" icons in the lower right corner of the streaming window.
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On February 25 2012 21:47 Batch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:41 natebreen wrote:On February 25 2012 21:37 Batch wrote:On February 25 2012 21:34 natebreen wrote:On February 25 2012 21:32 Batch wrote:On February 25 2012 21:18 Meiffeltower wrote:
Since we payed for VODs ... you need to fix em.. atm its just freeze lag in every VOD.. I have watched VODs for ~3h now without having any problems at all. browser? computer? im having the same lag issues. I tried out and got it working perfectly with both "480p" and "Best" on Internet Explorer 9 and Firefox 10.0. This may be a dumb question but im not seeing a quality switch option. How do I switch quality on the VOD? I got the option next to the "Pop-out" and "Full screen" icons in the lower right corner of the streaming window.
Are you viewing it through the twitch MLG banner link?
Like VOD - Day 1 Round 1 - match - link?
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On February 25 2012 21:46 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:43 SeaSwift wrote:On February 25 2012 21:38 eRoN_ wrote:
MLG getting wayyyyyy to big for its boots. Sickens me however, how conditioned people are to defend these companies sitting firmly in their pockets just begging them to take their money off them.
All justified under the banner of "growing e-sports" i suppose... Well that's a load of crap. You can see how much MLG alone made last year, this is just pure corperate greed and i hope they burn. If this is the way e-sports is going, fuck e-sports really. I don't have to pay to watch any football match/tourney unless i want a seat, i'm damn well not going to for this, ever.
Oh well, prehaps some good will come of this. ESL and Dreamhack; much better quality events in all aspects imo, will have a big chance at becoming alot more dominant, as long as they aren't dumb/greedy enough to follow suit that is.
Complimentary "MLG killing esports." They made a loss last year. Same with IPL, which was 6 figures into the red, and presumably the same as a lot of other tournaments. It may be that these organizations don't know how exactly to make money out of starcraft? Big prize pools and empty huge theaters doesn't seem a good plan so why should I feel bad for their loss? Taxing me because they can't do business doesn't seem fair.
Read your own post and think about what you just said. You just made their argument for them.
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On February 25 2012 21:48 natebreen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:47 Batch wrote:On February 25 2012 21:41 natebreen wrote:On February 25 2012 21:37 Batch wrote:On February 25 2012 21:34 natebreen wrote:On February 25 2012 21:32 Batch wrote:On February 25 2012 21:18 Meiffeltower wrote:
Since we payed for VODs ... you need to fix em.. atm its just freeze lag in every VOD.. I have watched VODs for ~3h now without having any problems at all. browser? computer? im having the same lag issues. I tried out and got it working perfectly with both "480p" and "Best" on Internet Explorer 9 and Firefox 10.0. This may be a dumb question but im not seeing a quality switch option. How do I switch quality on the VOD? I got the option next to the "Pop-out" and "Full screen" icons in the lower right corner of the streaming window. Are you viewing it through the twitch MLG banner link? Like VOD - Day 1 Round 1 - match - link?
I'm watching them on Twitch.tv using the links found here:
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/mlg/arenavod (non spoiler links)
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On February 25 2012 21:49 natebreen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:46 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 25 2012 21:43 SeaSwift wrote:On February 25 2012 21:38 eRoN_ wrote:
MLG getting wayyyyyy to big for its boots. Sickens me however, how conditioned people are to defend these companies sitting firmly in their pockets just begging them to take their money off them.
All justified under the banner of "growing e-sports" i suppose... Well that's a load of crap. You can see how much MLG alone made last year, this is just pure corperate greed and i hope they burn. If this is the way e-sports is going, fuck e-sports really. I don't have to pay to watch any football match/tourney unless i want a seat, i'm damn well not going to for this, ever.
Oh well, prehaps some good will come of this. ESL and Dreamhack; much better quality events in all aspects imo, will have a big chance at becoming alot more dominant, as long as they aren't dumb/greedy enough to follow suit that is.
Complimentary "MLG killing esports." They made a loss last year. Same with IPL, which was 6 figures into the red, and presumably the same as a lot of other tournaments. It may be that these organizations don't know how exactly to make money out of starcraft? Big prize pools and empty huge theaters doesn't seem a good plan so why should I feel bad for their loss? Taxing me because they can't do business doesn't seem fair. Read your own post and think about what you just said. You just made their argument for them.
My argument is that it's the organizers fault not the community that already gave them money. It's not our fault the the money we give them is way to few for their over investment. A good management plan would know exactly what market this one is and would know how much to invest and where.
So no, what I said is not a good reason for PPV. The same principle of bad management is applying to this PPV system as well. Maybe PPV was a good idea, but how they did is really bad. Next they will say that PPV is not working, so the industry is dead and that's ignorance from their part.
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On February 25 2012 21:53 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:49 natebreen wrote:On February 25 2012 21:46 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 25 2012 21:43 SeaSwift wrote:On February 25 2012 21:38 eRoN_ wrote:
MLG getting wayyyyyy to big for its boots. Sickens me however, how conditioned people are to defend these companies sitting firmly in their pockets just begging them to take their money off them.
All justified under the banner of "growing e-sports" i suppose... Well that's a load of crap. You can see how much MLG alone made last year, this is just pure corperate greed and i hope they burn. If this is the way e-sports is going, fuck e-sports really. I don't have to pay to watch any football match/tourney unless i want a seat, i'm damn well not going to for this, ever.
Oh well, prehaps some good will come of this. ESL and Dreamhack; much better quality events in all aspects imo, will have a big chance at becoming alot more dominant, as long as they aren't dumb/greedy enough to follow suit that is.
Complimentary "MLG killing esports." They made a loss last year. Same with IPL, which was 6 figures into the red, and presumably the same as a lot of other tournaments. It may be that these organizations don't know how exactly to make money out of starcraft? Big prize pools and empty huge theaters doesn't seem a good plan so why should I feel bad for their loss? Taxing me because they can't do business doesn't seem fair. Read your own post and think about what you just said. You just made their argument for them. My argument is that it's the organizers fault not the community that already gave them money. It's not our fault the the money we give them is way to few for their over investment. A good management plan would know exactly what market this one is and would know how much to invest and where. So no, what I said is not a good reason for PPV. The same principle of bad management is applying to this PPV system as well. Maybe PPV was a good idea, but how they did is really bad. Next they will say that PPV is not working, so the industry is dead and that's ignorance from their part.
Eh... no. The whole point of it being free is that the community does NOT give them money.
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On February 25 2012 21:55 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:53 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 25 2012 21:49 natebreen wrote:On February 25 2012 21:46 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 25 2012 21:43 SeaSwift wrote:On February 25 2012 21:38 eRoN_ wrote:
MLG getting wayyyyyy to big for its boots. Sickens me however, how conditioned people are to defend these companies sitting firmly in their pockets just begging them to take their money off them.
All justified under the banner of "growing e-sports" i suppose... Well that's a load of crap. You can see how much MLG alone made last year, this is just pure corperate greed and i hope they burn. If this is the way e-sports is going, fuck e-sports really. I don't have to pay to watch any football match/tourney unless i want a seat, i'm damn well not going to for this, ever.
Oh well, prehaps some good will come of this. ESL and Dreamhack; much better quality events in all aspects imo, will have a big chance at becoming alot more dominant, as long as they aren't dumb/greedy enough to follow suit that is.
Complimentary "MLG killing esports." They made a loss last year. Same with IPL, which was 6 figures into the red, and presumably the same as a lot of other tournaments. It may be that these organizations don't know how exactly to make money out of starcraft? Big prize pools and empty huge theaters doesn't seem a good plan so why should I feel bad for their loss? Taxing me because they can't do business doesn't seem fair. Read your own post and think about what you just said. You just made their argument for them. My argument is that it's the organizers fault not the community that already gave them money. It's not our fault the the money we give them is way to few for their over investment. A good management plan would know exactly what market this one is and would know how much to invest and where. So no, what I said is not a good reason for PPV. The same principle of bad management is applying to this PPV system as well. Maybe PPV was a good idea, but how they did is really bad. Next they will say that PPV is not working, so the industry is dead and that's ignorance from their part. Eh... no. The whole point of it being free is that the community does NOT give them money.
Eh....no, remember that many tournaments have premium also and ads. So some money does come from the community.
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On February 25 2012 21:56 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:55 SeaSwift wrote:On February 25 2012 21:53 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 25 2012 21:49 natebreen wrote:On February 25 2012 21:46 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 25 2012 21:43 SeaSwift wrote:On February 25 2012 21:38 eRoN_ wrote:
MLG getting wayyyyyy to big for its boots. Sickens me however, how conditioned people are to defend these companies sitting firmly in their pockets just begging them to take their money off them.
All justified under the banner of "growing e-sports" i suppose... Well that's a load of crap. You can see how much MLG alone made last year, this is just pure corperate greed and i hope they burn. If this is the way e-sports is going, fuck e-sports really. I don't have to pay to watch any football match/tourney unless i want a seat, i'm damn well not going to for this, ever.
Oh well, prehaps some good will come of this. ESL and Dreamhack; much better quality events in all aspects imo, will have a big chance at becoming alot more dominant, as long as they aren't dumb/greedy enough to follow suit that is.
Complimentary "MLG killing esports." They made a loss last year. Same with IPL, which was 6 figures into the red, and presumably the same as a lot of other tournaments. It may be that these organizations don't know how exactly to make money out of starcraft? Big prize pools and empty huge theaters doesn't seem a good plan so why should I feel bad for their loss? Taxing me because they can't do business doesn't seem fair. Read your own post and think about what you just said. You just made their argument for them. My argument is that it's the organizers fault not the community that already gave them money. It's not our fault the the money we give them is way to few for their over investment. A good management plan would know exactly what market this one is and would know how much to invest and where. So no, what I said is not a good reason for PPV. The same principle of bad management is applying to this PPV system as well. Maybe PPV was a good idea, but how they did is really bad. Next they will say that PPV is not working, so the industry is dead and that's ignorance from their part. Eh... no. The whole point of it being free is that the community does NOT give them money. Eh....no, remember that many tournaments have premium also and ads. So some money does come from the community.
If you were buying premium you wouldn't be pissed off about the idea of a PPV model. Maybe the implementation, but that is not what you were saying.
Ad money isn't "given" by the community. Hence, "free" stream. That's a pretty important distinction.
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On February 25 2012 21:53 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:49 natebreen wrote:On February 25 2012 21:46 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 25 2012 21:43 SeaSwift wrote:On February 25 2012 21:38 eRoN_ wrote:
MLG getting wayyyyyy to big for its boots. Sickens me however, how conditioned people are to defend these companies sitting firmly in their pockets just begging them to take their money off them.
All justified under the banner of "growing e-sports" i suppose... Well that's a load of crap. You can see how much MLG alone made last year, this is just pure corperate greed and i hope they burn. If this is the way e-sports is going, fuck e-sports really. I don't have to pay to watch any football match/tourney unless i want a seat, i'm damn well not going to for this, ever.
Oh well, prehaps some good will come of this. ESL and Dreamhack; much better quality events in all aspects imo, will have a big chance at becoming alot more dominant, as long as they aren't dumb/greedy enough to follow suit that is.
Complimentary "MLG killing esports." They made a loss last year. Same with IPL, which was 6 figures into the red, and presumably the same as a lot of other tournaments. It may be that these organizations don't know how exactly to make money out of starcraft? Big prize pools and empty huge theaters doesn't seem a good plan so why should I feel bad for their loss? Taxing me because they can't do business doesn't seem fair. Read your own post and think about what you just said. You just made their argument for them. My argument is that it's the organizers fault not the community that already gave them money. It's not our fault the the money we give them is way to few for their over investment. A good management plan would know exactly what market this one is and would know how much to invest and where. So no, what I said is not a good reason for PPV. The same principle of bad management is applying to this PPV system as well. Maybe PPV was a good idea, but how they did is really bad. Next they will say that PPV is not working, so the industry is dead and that's ignorance from their part.
What is your background in business? Economics? Demographics/Marketing?
Honestly man what you're saying is a really misinformed/ignorant view. "My argument is that it's the organizers fault not the community that already gave them money."
Ad money from free streams on TL will NOT support the innovation and tournaments we want to see. As MANY people have said, there is not enough advertising to be had.
Sponsors pay based on a realistic ROI (return on investment). MLG Can't back up a claim that if Samsung sponsors them with $100,000 or $1,000,000 that the return will be there.
They offer Samsung/Intel/whoever a realistic expectation of return, and the company decides what the exposure is worth to them , and if they even want to sponsor it.
Sometimes it could only be worth $5,000 to them for the year.
You need to be more realistic in your criticisms.
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On February 25 2012 21:53 Batch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:48 natebreen wrote:On February 25 2012 21:47 Batch wrote:On February 25 2012 21:41 natebreen wrote:On February 25 2012 21:37 Batch wrote:On February 25 2012 21:34 natebreen wrote:On February 25 2012 21:32 Batch wrote:On February 25 2012 21:18 Meiffeltower wrote:
Since we payed for VODs ... you need to fix em.. atm its just freeze lag in every VOD.. I have watched VODs for ~3h now without having any problems at all. browser? computer? im having the same lag issues. I tried out and got it working perfectly with both "480p" and "Best" on Internet Explorer 9 and Firefox 10.0. This may be a dumb question but im not seeing a quality switch option. How do I switch quality on the VOD? I got the option next to the "Pop-out" and "Full screen" icons in the lower right corner of the streaming window. Are you viewing it through the twitch MLG banner link? Like VOD - Day 1 Round 1 - match - link? I'm watching them on Twitch.tv using the links found here: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/mlg/arenavod (non spoiler links)
Weird. I'm watching them from the same link and when I try to load a game "Nestea Demuslism game 2" for example it goes to the embedded video page and then there is no quality option T_T.
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