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On February 25 2012 20:37 WallieP wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 20:34 Madder wrote:On February 25 2012 20:34 Malaz wrote:On February 25 2012 20:24 Madder wrote:On February 25 2012 20:19 itsmeOrchiD wrote:
Like so many others I too would like to buy the PPV, bit an event that starts at midnight is just a tad too late. 10pm and It'd have been fine. I hope MLG could schedule future Arenas just somewhat earlier to let EU watch also! Why don't they make it so Australians can watch after coming home from work/school? Make it fit with everyone's schedule! You can't cater to everyone. Now just compare the size of the EU market with the Australian one... I know you can't cater to everyone, but catering, at least a bit, to the biggest foreign SC2 market is not that bad of an idea. Right, so maybe Europe can return the favor with all of the tournaments and make them all America-friendly? Get real, pal. Eu market > US market > Australian market, so what is your point? Its all about money and the most money can be taken in the EU so it would be "normal" to put everything on eu time
Again, get real. Factor in timezones, I think they are pretty important.
Players, entire crews and audiences aren't going to adjust themselves and play for a different timezone, no matter where the 'money' is.
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are the free VODs going to be HD as well ?
if the free VODs are SD and the paid service gets HD VODs I might consider paying up
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On February 25 2012 20:04 FilthyLucre wrote:
Those tournaments will be watched anyway in the future due to ppl who can restream. And it doesnt rly matter, if you want us to pay. Not everyone can pay those bucks, and I think its a crime to ask ppl for it. But I know you dont give a damn. You want us to do the same? You want us to disrespect you? Even GSL has a free shitty stream, but its still something. I'm watching restream and I'm happy about it. I'm thanking all of the players, who are playing there, for their passion and their skill, I'm thanking those ppl, who were put in such conditions, its not their fault its PPV. I'm watching the game, and I personally dont give a damn about mlg itself, not anymore.
One way of showing your appreciation for the players would be actually paying for the stream, not watching it for free because some guy decided it'd be a good idea to restream it illegally.
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On February 25 2012 20:55 Mysticesper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 20:11 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 25 2012 20:10 seiferoth10 wrote:On February 25 2012 20:04 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 25 2012 20:02 seiferoth10 wrote:On February 25 2012 19:58 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 25 2012 19:54 Venomsflame wrote:On February 25 2012 19:41 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 25 2012 18:52 Troopi wrote:
Dreamhack HD free, Assembly HD free, IEM/Homestory Cup normal quality (which is good) free.
MLG pay 20$ or you can gtfo. For 3 days? LOL never If you look in the MLG feedback thread comments like this can be seen: Overall it was really great, absolutely worth the bucks and I will support it in the future. Not perfect though, there is still room for improvement. For 20$ there should be no comments like this. Sorry. I expected it to be top notch. What? There should be no comments like "absolutely worth the bucks and I will support in the future?" Like...seriously what? When someone is completely satisfied with the purchase and vows to support buying more of their purchase in the future, that's BAD? Comments like this convinced me to pay the twenty bucks in round 2. Saying these comments show some sort of failure because there is "room for improvement" is a little silly. Act like you don't get it. If I would buy the MLG pass I would act like I like it and don't regret it, because humans don't like to confirm that they made a mistake. The fact that there are still complains and that they hope they will get better in the future is bad and shows that the product is not final. For 20$ it better be polished. So you honestly believe that because it was ppv there should be absolutely no room for improvement at all, meaning the event is perfect in every aspect of the word? Those are some realistic expectations. Not of the PPV but for the 20$. The higher the price the higher the expectations. I wouldn't buy a Ferrari to realize that the dvd player is not functioning well and say : Oh whell, it's worth the money but there is room for improvement. Yeah, and that Ferrari doesn't get 60 mpg, so there's room for improvement. The Ferrari is also a terrible off road vehicle, and it only seats 2!?! There's room for improvement. Dude, read the freaking feedback thread. They are not talking about adding new features, but making the ones they promised work. 1080p didn't even work for most of the people because of lag. If you have a 1.5 mbit dsl connection, you won't be able to play 1080p (with good quality), 720p is a stretch sometimes. Our broadband in the US sucks, especially in the midwest-west rural states. In my area, high speed dsl, being 7-20 mbits was available just this last year. Not everyone has access to cable, and there are still large chunks of area without upgraded phone lines.
So you accuse the ones complaining being retarded because they don't know their internet connection capabilities? I think the ones complaining were the actual ones with solid internet. Like I have for example and couldn't watch it though I can watch any other HD stream.
Or what about "vods will be up the moment the game finishes?". There are many things that I know are not how they were promised but whatever. Let Esports grow.
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On February 25 2012 20:04 FilthyLucre wrote:
Those tournaments will be watched anyway in the future due to ppl who can restream. And it doesnt rly matter, if you want us to pay. Not everyone can pay those bucks, and I think its a crime to ask ppl for it. But I know you dont give a damn. You want us to do the same? You want us to disrespect you? Even GSL has a free shitty stream, but its still something. I'm watching restream and I'm happy about it. I'm thanking all of the players, who are playing there, for their passion and their skill, I'm thanking those ppl, who were put in such conditions, its not their fault its PPV. I'm watching the game, and I personally dont give a damn about mlg itself, not anymore.
Are you saying that it is a crime to ask for money for a service? Do you understand how that statement is completely, and utterly detached from reality?
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On February 25 2012 21:01 Madder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 20:37 WallieP wrote:On February 25 2012 20:34 Madder wrote:On February 25 2012 20:34 Malaz wrote:On February 25 2012 20:24 Madder wrote:On February 25 2012 20:19 itsmeOrchiD wrote:
Like so many others I too would like to buy the PPV, bit an event that starts at midnight is just a tad too late. 10pm and It'd have been fine. I hope MLG could schedule future Arenas just somewhat earlier to let EU watch also! Why don't they make it so Australians can watch after coming home from work/school? Make it fit with everyone's schedule! You can't cater to everyone. Now just compare the size of the EU market with the Australian one... I know you can't cater to everyone, but catering, at least a bit, to the biggest foreign SC2 market is not that bad of an idea. Right, so maybe Europe can return the favor with all of the tournaments and make them all America-friendly? Get real, pal. Eu market > US market > Australian market, so what is your point? Its all about money and the most money can be taken in the EU so it would be "normal" to put everything on eu time Again, get real. Factor in timezones, I think they are pretty important. Players, entire crews and audiences aren't going to adjust themselves and play for a different timezone, no matter where the 'money' is.
Wait what?
Anyway bought the pass and stayed up untill 7am ruining my sleep.. But it was well worth it.
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On February 25 2012 20:34 Madder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 20:34 Malaz wrote:On February 25 2012 20:24 Madder wrote:On February 25 2012 20:19 itsmeOrchiD wrote:
Like so many others I too would like to buy the PPV, bit an event that starts at midnight is just a tad too late. 10pm and It'd have been fine. I hope MLG could schedule future Arenas just somewhat earlier to let EU watch also! Why don't they make it so Australians can watch after coming home from work/school? Make it fit with everyone's schedule! You can't cater to everyone. Now just compare the size of the EU market with the Australian one... I know you can't cater to everyone, but catering, at least a bit, to the biggest foreign SC2 market is not that bad of an idea. Right, so maybe Europe can return the favor with all of the tournaments and make them all America-friendly? Get real, pal.
sorry, if you have to pay full price for a show that goes from midnight through to 5am, something is wrong.
obviously if it was earlier it would clash with assembly, but nonetheless when you're making exclusive content that's extremely inconvenient for non-americans - imo it SHOULD NOT BE FULL PRICE for non-americans.
oh, and watching the vods the following day IS NOT WORTH PPV.
how do the teams/players feel when the viewer base is cut to 20% or lower because the vast majority have been alienated? it's far more important to get recognition than even to win prize money. PPV does the opposite.
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On February 25 2012 21:04 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 20:55 Mysticesper wrote:On February 25 2012 20:11 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 25 2012 20:10 seiferoth10 wrote:On February 25 2012 20:04 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 25 2012 20:02 seiferoth10 wrote:On February 25 2012 19:58 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 25 2012 19:54 Venomsflame wrote:On February 25 2012 19:41 ceaRshaf wrote:On February 25 2012 18:52 Troopi wrote:
Dreamhack HD free, Assembly HD free, IEM/Homestory Cup normal quality (which is good) free.
MLG pay 20$ or you can gtfo. For 3 days? LOL never If you look in the MLG feedback thread comments like this can be seen: Overall it was really great, absolutely worth the bucks and I will support it in the future. Not perfect though, there is still room for improvement. For 20$ there should be no comments like this. Sorry. I expected it to be top notch. What? There should be no comments like "absolutely worth the bucks and I will support in the future?" Like...seriously what? When someone is completely satisfied with the purchase and vows to support buying more of their purchase in the future, that's BAD? Comments like this convinced me to pay the twenty bucks in round 2. Saying these comments show some sort of failure because there is "room for improvement" is a little silly. Act like you don't get it. If I would buy the MLG pass I would act like I like it and don't regret it, because humans don't like to confirm that they made a mistake. The fact that there are still complains and that they hope they will get better in the future is bad and shows that the product is not final. For 20$ it better be polished. So you honestly believe that because it was ppv there should be absolutely no room for improvement at all, meaning the event is perfect in every aspect of the word? Those are some realistic expectations. Not of the PPV but for the 20$. The higher the price the higher the expectations. I wouldn't buy a Ferrari to realize that the dvd player is not functioning well and say : Oh whell, it's worth the money but there is room for improvement. Yeah, and that Ferrari doesn't get 60 mpg, so there's room for improvement. The Ferrari is also a terrible off road vehicle, and it only seats 2!?! There's room for improvement. Dude, read the freaking feedback thread. They are not talking about adding new features, but making the ones they promised work. 1080p didn't even work for most of the people because of lag. If you have a 1.5 mbit dsl connection, you won't be able to play 1080p (with good quality), 720p is a stretch sometimes. Our broadband in the US sucks, especially in the midwest-west rural states. In my area, high speed dsl, being 7-20 mbits was available just this last year. Not everyone has access to cable, and there are still large chunks of area without upgraded phone lines. So you accuse the ones complaining being retarded because they don't know their internet connection capabilities? I think the ones complaining were the actual ones with solid internet. Like I have for example and couldn't watch it though I can watch any other HD stream. Or what about "vods will be up the moment the game finishes?". There are many things that I know are not how they were promised but whatever. Let Esports grow.
Retarded is an exaggeration but otherwise i agree.
Also bandwidth isn't the be all end all of computer networking. Jitter, latency, and packet loss is also huge contributors to shitty stream stability.
I have 100/100 Mbit and should be able to watch any kind of stream, yet i can't because of the previously mentioned problems.
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The problem with lag has been a consistant one whenever MLG has used twitch for distribution, for every single one of their qualifiers I've had the same kind of lag issues. I can watch any other stream off of twitch in 1080p for a whole day and not get any lag, then switch to the MLG stream and it'd be laggy as hell. Fortunately there seemed to be enough people complaining about it last night so they at least seem to have solved the lag issues for all but the 1080p option.
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I have to agree with others. It doesnt really make sense to buy the 20$ pass for europeans:
- tournament lasts way to late into the night (~7am in CET), I'd like to watch until 3-4am
- during the first test hour 1080p lagged a lot, and 3-4 stream split only worked if you scale down a lot (many people reported this and twitch is known for its EU issues)
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Since we payed for VODs ... you need to fix em.. atm its just freeze lag in every VOD..
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Why is it possible to monetize pretty much any sporting event by ads, but somehow its difficult for starcraft. Even the UFC for example had very good reason to go PPV. I have no experience in marketing but it seems to me that you get much better deal sponsoring esports event since your logo is placed pretty much everywhere and casters are talking about you all the time. The only real issue i can comprehend is that audience just isnt large enough yet. If its the case, overpriced PPV is the most riddiculous thing you can come up with IMHO.
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I'm sure MLG tried to get some higher profile sponsors, and its a shame they cant discoles who refused to work with them. I would love to not support those companies.
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On February 25 2012 21:09 shizna wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 20:34 Madder wrote:On February 25 2012 20:34 Malaz wrote:On February 25 2012 20:24 Madder wrote:On February 25 2012 20:19 itsmeOrchiD wrote:
Like so many others I too would like to buy the PPV, bit an event that starts at midnight is just a tad too late. 10pm and It'd have been fine. I hope MLG could schedule future Arenas just somewhat earlier to let EU watch also! Why don't they make it so Australians can watch after coming home from work/school? Make it fit with everyone's schedule! You can't cater to everyone. Now just compare the size of the EU market with the Australian one... I know you can't cater to everyone, but catering, at least a bit, to the biggest foreign SC2 market is not that bad of an idea. Right, so maybe Europe can return the favor with all of the tournaments and make them all America-friendly? Get real, pal. sorry, if you have to pay full price for a show that goes from midnight through to 5am, something is wrong. obviously if it was earlier it would clash with assembly, but nonetheless when you're making exclusive content that's extremely inconvenient for non-americans - imo it SHOULD NOT BE FULL PRICE for non-americans. oh, and watching the vods the following day IS NOT WORTH PPV. how do the teams/players feel when the viewer base is cut to 20% or lower because the vast majority have been alienated? it's far more important to get recognition than even to win prize money. PPV does the opposite.
Don't try to make your opinions sound like a public consensus.
I watched games until 3AM when I went to bed. Now I'm watching VOD:s of the games I wanted to see but missed and it is totally worth it for me.
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On February 25 2012 21:20 ikona wrote:
Why is it possible to monetize pretty much any sporting event by ads, but somehow its difficult for starcraft. Even the UFC for example had very good reason to go PPV. I have no experience in marketing but it seems to me that you get much better deal sponsoring esports event since your logo is placed pretty much everywhere and casters are talking about you all the time. The only real issue i can comprehend is that audience just isnt large enough yet. If its the case, overpriced PPV is the most riddiculous thing you can come up with IMHO.
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I'm sure MLG tried to get some higher profile sponsors, and its a shame they cant discoles who refused to work with them. I would love to not support those companies.
No offense but this is a pretty ignorant view.
You need to realize the "size" of e-sports.
The amount of people daily who watch daytime television is greater than e-sports. And that's local programming, not worldwide.
At the end of the day, the monetization from ads is only possibly in television because of the insane number of viewing audiences, and the demographics.
The demographics that watch SC2 aren't the best. It's a lot of highschool/college-aged kids with minimal purchasing power. There are some adults, but it's not like television where you're carving such a large swathe.
In the end, the companies that are sponsoring sc2/e-sports right now are most likely doing so on an experimental basis IE Monster with EG where their rep is a guy who does other fringe extreme sports.
You can't on one hand claim to not know the details of advertising and the finances involved then on the other hand criticize MLG for that. Well, you can, but you look foolish.
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Also people think that sponsoring = funding the entire event.
Sometimes the sponsorship could be a very small amount.
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On February 25 2012 21:29 Batch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:09 shizna wrote:On February 25 2012 20:34 Madder wrote:On February 25 2012 20:34 Malaz wrote:On February 25 2012 20:24 Madder wrote:On February 25 2012 20:19 itsmeOrchiD wrote:
Like so many others I too would like to buy the PPV, bit an event that starts at midnight is just a tad too late. 10pm and It'd have been fine. I hope MLG could schedule future Arenas just somewhat earlier to let EU watch also! Why don't they make it so Australians can watch after coming home from work/school? Make it fit with everyone's schedule! You can't cater to everyone. Now just compare the size of the EU market with the Australian one... I know you can't cater to everyone, but catering, at least a bit, to the biggest foreign SC2 market is not that bad of an idea. Right, so maybe Europe can return the favor with all of the tournaments and make them all America-friendly? Get real, pal. sorry, if you have to pay full price for a show that goes from midnight through to 5am, something is wrong. obviously if it was earlier it would clash with assembly, but nonetheless when you're making exclusive content that's extremely inconvenient for non-americans - imo it SHOULD NOT BE FULL PRICE for non-americans. oh, and watching the vods the following day IS NOT WORTH PPV. how do the teams/players feel when the viewer base is cut to 20% or lower because the vast majority have been alienated? it's far more important to get recognition than even to win prize money. PPV does the opposite. Don't try to make your opinions sound like a public consensus. I watched games until 3AM when I went to bed. Now I'm watching VOD:s of the games I wanted to see but missed and it is totally worth it for me.
Depends on the standards everyone has. I for one don't like to pay the same as someone who is seeing it live. It's absurd.
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On February 25 2012 21:18 Meiffeltower wrote:
Since we payed for VODs ... you need to fix em.. atm its just freeze lag in every VOD..
I have watched VODs for ~3h now without having any problems at all.
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On February 25 2012 21:32 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:29 Batch wrote:On February 25 2012 21:09 shizna wrote:On February 25 2012 20:34 Madder wrote:On February 25 2012 20:34 Malaz wrote:On February 25 2012 20:24 Madder wrote:On February 25 2012 20:19 itsmeOrchiD wrote:
Like so many others I too would like to buy the PPV, bit an event that starts at midnight is just a tad too late. 10pm and It'd have been fine. I hope MLG could schedule future Arenas just somewhat earlier to let EU watch also! Why don't they make it so Australians can watch after coming home from work/school? Make it fit with everyone's schedule! You can't cater to everyone. Now just compare the size of the EU market with the Australian one... I know you can't cater to everyone, but catering, at least a bit, to the biggest foreign SC2 market is not that bad of an idea. Right, so maybe Europe can return the favor with all of the tournaments and make them all America-friendly? Get real, pal. sorry, if you have to pay full price for a show that goes from midnight through to 5am, something is wrong. obviously if it was earlier it would clash with assembly, but nonetheless when you're making exclusive content that's extremely inconvenient for non-americans - imo it SHOULD NOT BE FULL PRICE for non-americans. oh, and watching the vods the following day IS NOT WORTH PPV. how do the teams/players feel when the viewer base is cut to 20% or lower because the vast majority have been alienated? it's far more important to get recognition than even to win prize money. PPV does the opposite. Don't try to make your opinions sound like a public consensus. I watched games until 3AM when I went to bed. Now I'm watching VOD:s of the games I wanted to see but missed and it is totally worth it for me. Depends on the standards everyone has. I for one don't like to pay the same as someone who is seeing it live. It's absurd.
This happens with pretty much every other sport ever. Get over it.
If you don't want to stay up late, don't pay.
If you love it that much, chances are you'll want to stay up late on a fri/sat night. Or at the very worst watch the VOD the next day.
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On February 25 2012 21:29 Batch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 21:09 shizna wrote:On February 25 2012 20:34 Madder wrote:On February 25 2012 20:34 Malaz wrote:On February 25 2012 20:24 Madder wrote:On February 25 2012 20:19 itsmeOrchiD wrote:
Like so many others I too would like to buy the PPV, bit an event that starts at midnight is just a tad too late. 10pm and It'd have been fine. I hope MLG could schedule future Arenas just somewhat earlier to let EU watch also! Why don't they make it so Australians can watch after coming home from work/school? Make it fit with everyone's schedule! You can't cater to everyone. Now just compare the size of the EU market with the Australian one... I know you can't cater to everyone, but catering, at least a bit, to the biggest foreign SC2 market is not that bad of an idea. Right, so maybe Europe can return the favor with all of the tournaments and make them all America-friendly? Get real, pal. sorry, if you have to pay full price for a show that goes from midnight through to 5am, something is wrong. obviously if it was earlier it would clash with assembly, but nonetheless when you're making exclusive content that's extremely inconvenient for non-americans - imo it SHOULD NOT BE FULL PRICE for non-americans. oh, and watching the vods the following day IS NOT WORTH PPV. how do the teams/players feel when the viewer base is cut to 20% or lower because the vast majority have been alienated? it's far more important to get recognition than even to win prize money. PPV does the opposite. Don't try to make your opinions sound like a public consensus. I watched games until 3AM when I went to bed. Now I'm watching VOD:s of the games I wanted to see but missed and it is totally worth it for me.
where did i try to make it sound like public consensus?
don't try to make your opinions sound like "ive lost an argument.... quickly, employ generic 'your post is invalid' reply."
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