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On February 25 2012 13:10 TheTurk wrote:
Wonder how much money/viewership MLG has lost on this already?
All indications are that this is gonna be a success. I know there will be people in this thread trying to pour cold water on it no matter what, but I think we'll see in time that the vast majority of people who paid were more than happy with their purchase. At that point, if the people who so adamantly predicted failure in this thread still won't admit they were wrong, it will just be hilarious.
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On February 25 2012 13:07 beg wrote:
i can still watch every of the 4 streams for free on the mlg page. wtf is this shit. my friend can't.
THAT must be a kick in the nuts for everyone who has paid. sorry guys.
edit: been watching for over 4 hours now
Umm... no. It's ok. I paid 20 because I thought it'd be worth it. Spoiler alert. It was. Why would I care if you snuck your hand up the vending machine to get that free pepsi, even if I bought one earlier? It's ok.
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Its really fucking simple you guys.
Based on their math, $20 was the price point where they expected to break even.
if it turns out their math was wrong, and they don't make enough money, they'll use that realworld feedback to lower the price point for the next event to increase their revenue
they don't need the help of a bunch of hipster losers to price their products.
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at least gstl will be on tonight to save the day
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Yes, hopefully GSTL can save us from Sundance and his amazing production value, five 1080p streams simultaneously, fantastic player pool and brilliant games (DRG v Parting, Ret v Mvp, Violet v Sjow and Naniwa v MKP right now).
I for one welcome our new MLG overlords.
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Hmm, the price point isn't the problem. The problem is the growth of Esports... Free viewership for MLG allows for those unfamiliar with esports to get introduced. However making a barrier of 20 dollars prevent new eyes on the world of esports.
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On February 25 2012 13:52 wei2coolman wrote:
Hmm, the price point isn't the problem. The problem is the growth of Esports... Free viewership for MLG allows for those unfamiliar with esports to get introduced. However making a barrier of 20 dollars prevent new eyes on the world of esports.
From the 200 pages of this thread, i'm thinking the price IS the problem. For most anyways. I'm loving it so far ^^
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MLG FTW ! 20dollahz worth it EZY
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On February 25 2012 13:41 Dhalphir wrote:
Its really fucking simple you guys.
Based on their math, $20 was the price point where they expected to break even.
if it turns out their math was wrong, and they don't make enough money, they'll use that realworld feedback to lower the price point for the next event to increase their revenue
they don't need the help of a bunch of hipster losers to price their products.
Hahahahaha. If 20$ was needed to "break even" then they must expect low turnout.
Want to know how to make people happy and still make money? Make just one of the streams free, with heavy advertisements. People could still watch some games to keep themselves entertained, MLG still makes money, and the hardcore fans willing to shell out 20$ to watch their favorite players on other streams will still do so.
They are alienating a large userbase with this move.
Hell, make the free stream 480p for at LEAST gold members of the normal season, and 360p for regular audience. Even keep the less-popular players and less popular casters on that free stream. Just something to watch would calm people down.
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On February 25 2012 13:52 wei2coolman wrote:
Hmm, the price point isn't the problem. The problem is the growth of Esports... Free viewership for MLG allows for those unfamiliar with esports to get introduced. However making a barrier of 20 dollars prevent new eyes on the world of esports.
There's still free viewing of the regular MLG circuit, GSL, GSTL, IEM, Dreamhack, Asus ROG, NASL, et al so new content being produced and put out in a PPV format is hardly going to prevent new eyes from getting on the eyes of e-sports. If anyone wants to find something free to watch, they can and they can without much effort.
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On February 25 2012 13:41 Dhalphir wrote:
Its really fucking simple you guys.
Based on their math, $20 was the price point where they expected to break even.
if it turns out their math was wrong, and they don't make enough money, they'll use that realworld feedback to lower the price point for the next event to increase their revenue
they don't need the help of a bunch of hipster losers to price their products.
Thanks for calling anyone who has issues with the price tag a demeaning insult.
Personally I prefer the way every other tournament does it. Even GSL who charges has a free live stream.
Btw, consumers set the price tag, if you pay 20bucks then it sets a precedent for other tournaments to follow. You wanna lighten your wallet and pay more fine, this is a test for them see what they can charge. You think if enough people don't pay MLG will simply fold and stop having tournaments? That is pretty doubtful, they will just be forced to accept what the community/consumers will accept.
Believe it or not the free live stream aspect of e-sports is what draws a lot of people in. It's cheap awesome entertainment, being frugal doesn't mean you are a "hipster loser" as you put it. It's simply telling the salesmen you are not a sucker, and to offer a reasonable compromise.
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On February 25 2012 13:57 Doomwish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 13:41 Dhalphir wrote:
Its really fucking simple you guys.
Based on their math, $20 was the price point where they expected to break even.
if it turns out their math was wrong, and they don't make enough money, they'll use that realworld feedback to lower the price point for the next event to increase their revenue
they don't need the help of a bunch of hipster losers to price their products. Personally I prefer the way every other tournament does it. Even GSL who charges has a free live stream.
There wasn't a free stream for arena of legends was there? It's the same thing as this winter arena. You'll get your free stream for the other MLG weekends, just as you do for GSL seasons.
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The problem that I see with the $20 price for watching the streams is that it reduces the number of people who will watch the tournament, but it also basically cuts off anyone not familiar with Starcraft 2 from being introduced to it. I chose not to pay for it because i wouldn't watch enough of the tournament for it to be worth $20 for me. From the free tournaments last year, any time I had a few free minutes, I would load up a stream to support the eSports cause and enjoy some great games with great casting.
I understand that MLG needs to make money and charging $20 for their streams is understandable, but I would like to see a free option such as low quality (360p?) or be limited to just one stream, or a combination of both.
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That doesn't address the issues he raised, though. Lots of people are saying that MLG would make more money if they priced it as freemium, or at $5, or $10 or $15 or free with a billion ads or...
And none of them have a clue, because they don't have access to MLG's numbers. You can argue with the price point for a number of reasons, but 'you'd make more money' can't be one of them unless you have access to MLG's books and projections. If that'd make more money, it's what they'd be doing.
Also, I've yet to see anyone who's paid for the content and been unhappy. It's been absolutely worth the price so far. So let's skip the 'telling the salesman you aren't a sucker' and 'reasonable compromise' rhetoric.
Edit: Again, there's a lot of free content out there still. Playhem, IPL, IPL Team League, NAS(T)L, GS(T)L (though it requires you to download GOM's product to view), Assembly, IEM, Dreamhack... One PPV tournament doesn't mean that eSports is ignoring new fans.
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On February 25 2012 13:57 Doomwish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 13:41 Dhalphir wrote:
Its really fucking simple you guys.
Based on their math, $20 was the price point where they expected to break even.
if it turns out their math was wrong, and they don't make enough money, they'll use that realworld feedback to lower the price point for the next event to increase their revenue
they don't need the help of a bunch of hipster losers to price their products. Personally I prefer the way every other tournament does it. Even GSL who charges has a free live stream.
Also, I'm gonna keep driving this home. GOM's product isn't eSports. GOM's product is software and general broadcasting. GSL is a tool they use to get people to download their video player. Porn, believe it or not, is another. More people use GOMPlayer to watch porn than use it to watch GSL; that doesn't mean Gretech is in the porn business.
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The teamliquid forums turn another molehill into a mountain
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I could pay for viewership, or I could buy the next expansion with the same money.
Tournament viewership should always be free, if you have to pay to watch, you alienate the silent majority.
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I think you may be exaggerating just a wee little bit. If Blizzard releases HotS for $20, I'll eat my metaphorical hat.
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The price is my issue. Sure, there will be a constant flow of games, from what I hear. However, I'm really only willing to pay for games between players that I enjoy watching. There may be 6-8 hours of gaming going on, but only about 1-2 hours at most would be worth paying for from my perspective. I can get a GSL season ticket for $14.99.
I'm glad people are enjoying the stream, but considering the players that have been knocked out in the Winter Arena (well knocked down I should say), and the fact that the asus stream is running for free with the majority of games being of equal caliber, I just don't see enough added value to dish out that kind of cash.
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Okay, if they had lower the price, I would have considered to buy it. Maybe 5 dollars, and then every event on, they would increase the price. That would be better.
Also, what's done is done, but I hope this will revolutionize things for the better and launch e-sports into national prominence
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