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On February 25 2012 12:37 Enki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 12:19 snowfox330 wrote:On February 25 2012 12:10 Enki wrote:On February 25 2012 12:07 snowfox330 wrote:
This is seriously a stupid, stupid idea.
The organizers may think that $20 is not a big deal for ppl who can afford a computer. However, they FAIL to realize that most starcraft players are STUDENTS, who have enough loans already on their bucks and certainly won't pay $20 (2~4 days worth of meal plan) to sit in their room. You are going to owe tens of thousands on college anyways aren't you? whats the big deal about $20. I pay for education, not for sitting in my room staring at the computer screen. I firmly believe that information should be free and thus I hate when I'm required to pay to watch an online stream. I respect that MLG is a profitable organization, and I also respect that ESports is a growing industry, therefore I've never had any complaints against advertisements and I'll never use adblock, because I think ads is the most legitimate way for any internet based organization to make money, besides sponsors (which are pretty much also ads). However, since I already pay my ISP crap loads of money per month, I want what I watch on it to be free, just like how you watch television. So go study or something and make use of your education instead of bitching about the $20. Do you just want attention or something? Also, "not for sitting in my room staring at the computer screen?" Well, isn't that what you would be doing if it was free?
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Imagine one day suddenly you have to pay to lay in your bed, that's what I meant.
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On February 25 2012 12:19 snowfox330 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 12:10 Enki wrote:On February 25 2012 12:07 snowfox330 wrote:
This is seriously a stupid, stupid idea.
The organizers may think that $20 is not a big deal for ppl who can afford a computer. However, they FAIL to realize that most starcraft players are STUDENTS, who have enough loans already on their bucks and certainly won't pay $20 (2~4 days worth of meal plan) to sit in their room. You are going to owe tens of thousands on college anyways aren't you? whats the big deal about $20. I pay for education, not for sitting in my room staring at the computer screen. I firmly believe that information should be free and thus I hate when I'm required to pay to watch an online stream. I respect that MLG is a profitable organization, and I also respect that ESports is a growing industry, therefore I've never had any complaints against advertisements and I'll never use adblock, because I think ads is the most legitimate way for any internet based organization to make money, besides sponsors (which are pretty much also ads). However, since I already pay my ISP crap loads of money per month, I want what I watch on it to be free, just like how you watch television.
I missed this post, and it really bothers me.
Information should be free. Entertainment is NOT information. The fact that you're treated the two as the same is, frankly and unfortunately, stupid. Entertainment isn't free. It never has been. There are costs associated with creating and producing it. Those costs need to be recouped.
You can respect that MLG is profitable all you want, but that doesn't make it true. MLG doesn't make money. They're surviving on venture capital, but that doesn't last forever. They need to find ways to make money, and ad revenue doesn't do it, sad to say. They, and everyone involved in eSports, need to find new and more effective ways to monetize their content in order to continue to produce it.
Content is always monetized, even things that you think you're getting for free. You have to pay for cable because cable has to buy content from the producers. Broadcast TV works in a similar way; the affiliates have to buy content from the networks. That's a middleman that doesn't exist in eSports. MLG, just like any creative, is selling a product. You have the choice to buy it or not. You're chosing not to, and that's fine. But the whole holier-than-thou information-should-be-free stuff is just a front for a misguided sense of entitlement.
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On February 25 2012 12:43 snowfox330 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 12:37 Enki wrote:On February 25 2012 12:19 snowfox330 wrote:On February 25 2012 12:10 Enki wrote:On February 25 2012 12:07 snowfox330 wrote:
This is seriously a stupid, stupid idea.
The organizers may think that $20 is not a big deal for ppl who can afford a computer. However, they FAIL to realize that most starcraft players are STUDENTS, who have enough loans already on their bucks and certainly won't pay $20 (2~4 days worth of meal plan) to sit in their room. You are going to owe tens of thousands on college anyways aren't you? whats the big deal about $20. I pay for education, not for sitting in my room staring at the computer screen. I firmly believe that information should be free and thus I hate when I'm required to pay to watch an online stream. I respect that MLG is a profitable organization, and I also respect that ESports is a growing industry, therefore I've never had any complaints against advertisements and I'll never use adblock, because I think ads is the most legitimate way for any internet based organization to make money, besides sponsors (which are pretty much also ads). However, since I already pay my ISP crap loads of money per month, I want what I watch on it to be free, just like how you watch television. So go study or something and make use of your education instead of bitching about the $20. Do you just want attention or something? Also, "not for sitting in my room staring at the computer screen?" Well, isn't that what you would be doing if it was free? I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Imagine one day suddenly you have to pay to lay in your bed, that's what I meant.
Unless you stole your bed from the manufacturer, then someone had to pay for you to lie in it.
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On February 25 2012 12:47 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 12:43 snowfox330 wrote:On February 25 2012 12:37 Enki wrote:On February 25 2012 12:19 snowfox330 wrote:On February 25 2012 12:10 Enki wrote:On February 25 2012 12:07 snowfox330 wrote:
This is seriously a stupid, stupid idea.
The organizers may think that $20 is not a big deal for ppl who can afford a computer. However, they FAIL to realize that most starcraft players are STUDENTS, who have enough loans already on their bucks and certainly won't pay $20 (2~4 days worth of meal plan) to sit in their room. You are going to owe tens of thousands on college anyways aren't you? whats the big deal about $20. I pay for education, not for sitting in my room staring at the computer screen. I firmly believe that information should be free and thus I hate when I'm required to pay to watch an online stream. I respect that MLG is a profitable organization, and I also respect that ESports is a growing industry, therefore I've never had any complaints against advertisements and I'll never use adblock, because I think ads is the most legitimate way for any internet based organization to make money, besides sponsors (which are pretty much also ads). However, since I already pay my ISP crap loads of money per month, I want what I watch on it to be free, just like how you watch television. So go study or something and make use of your education instead of bitching about the $20. Do you just want attention or something? Also, "not for sitting in my room staring at the computer screen?" Well, isn't that what you would be doing if it was free? I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Imagine one day suddenly you have to pay to lay in your bed, that's what I meant. Unless you stole your bed from the manufacturer, then someone had to pay for you to lie in it.
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On February 25 2012 12:49 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 12:47 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On February 25 2012 12:43 snowfox330 wrote:On February 25 2012 12:37 Enki wrote:On February 25 2012 12:19 snowfox330 wrote:On February 25 2012 12:10 Enki wrote:On February 25 2012 12:07 snowfox330 wrote:
This is seriously a stupid, stupid idea.
The organizers may think that $20 is not a big deal for ppl who can afford a computer. However, they FAIL to realize that most starcraft players are STUDENTS, who have enough loans already on their bucks and certainly won't pay $20 (2~4 days worth of meal plan) to sit in their room. You are going to owe tens of thousands on college anyways aren't you? whats the big deal about $20. I pay for education, not for sitting in my room staring at the computer screen. I firmly believe that information should be free and thus I hate when I'm required to pay to watch an online stream. I respect that MLG is a profitable organization, and I also respect that ESports is a growing industry, therefore I've never had any complaints against advertisements and I'll never use adblock, because I think ads is the most legitimate way for any internet based organization to make money, besides sponsors (which are pretty much also ads). However, since I already pay my ISP crap loads of money per month, I want what I watch on it to be free, just like how you watch television. So go study or something and make use of your education instead of bitching about the $20. Do you just want attention or something? Also, "not for sitting in my room staring at the computer screen?" Well, isn't that what you would be doing if it was free? I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Imagine one day suddenly you have to pay to lay in your bed, that's what I meant. Unless you stole your bed from the manufacturer, then someone had to pay for you to lie in it. Advertisements.
It's almost like his analogy isn't applicable at all to this situation!
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Anyways I don't want this to turn into a heated debate.
I still stand by my point that $20 for everyone to watch at home is not how this event should be ran.
And let's just leave it at that.
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On February 25 2012 12:47 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 12:43 snowfox330 wrote:On February 25 2012 12:37 Enki wrote:On February 25 2012 12:19 snowfox330 wrote:On February 25 2012 12:10 Enki wrote:On February 25 2012 12:07 snowfox330 wrote:
This is seriously a stupid, stupid idea.
The organizers may think that $20 is not a big deal for ppl who can afford a computer. However, they FAIL to realize that most starcraft players are STUDENTS, who have enough loans already on their bucks and certainly won't pay $20 (2~4 days worth of meal plan) to sit in their room. You are going to owe tens of thousands on college anyways aren't you? whats the big deal about $20. I pay for education, not for sitting in my room staring at the computer screen. I firmly believe that information should be free and thus I hate when I'm required to pay to watch an online stream. I respect that MLG is a profitable organization, and I also respect that ESports is a growing industry, therefore I've never had any complaints against advertisements and I'll never use adblock, because I think ads is the most legitimate way for any internet based organization to make money, besides sponsors (which are pretty much also ads). However, since I already pay my ISP crap loads of money per month, I want what I watch on it to be free, just like how you watch television. So go study or something and make use of your education instead of bitching about the $20. Do you just want attention or something? Also, "not for sitting in my room staring at the computer screen?" Well, isn't that what you would be doing if it was free? I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Imagine one day suddenly you have to pay to lay in your bed, that's what I meant. Unless you stole your bed from the manufacturer, then someone had to pay for you to lie in it.
I'm fine with paying for it once, but having to pay for it every night and that's the only way for it to be, hell no.
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On February 25 2012 12:29 Muffel wrote:
so annoying how people dont get that its not just about the 20 dollars. if i have to pay 20 dollars and everything is fine forever, okay.
but you pay 20 dollars and on the same time agree with the PPV model in esports. you agree that any given event in esports can charge 20 dollars if you want to watch it. lets say MLG makes all their events 20 dollar because mlg winter was that succesful. then its not about 20 dollars but about.. lets say 150 dollars this year.
not imagening what happens to other events like dh/nasl/ipl.
that is what these 20 dollars stand for. thats a big change in esports history. dont know how so many people dont get it.
its not about the 20 dollars itself..
I totally agree with this post btw.
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Sick triple post. Especially after saying you'll leave it at the first one =/
Edit: I don't even disagree that $20 seems like a lot in relation to the competition in the industry. I just think if you don't want to pay for it you shouldn't, that's the best you can do. No need to complain about it like it has some major negative impact on your life.
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On February 25 2012 12:57 snowfox330 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 12:47 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On February 25 2012 12:43 snowfox330 wrote:On February 25 2012 12:37 Enki wrote:On February 25 2012 12:19 snowfox330 wrote:On February 25 2012 12:10 Enki wrote:On February 25 2012 12:07 snowfox330 wrote:
This is seriously a stupid, stupid idea.
The organizers may think that $20 is not a big deal for ppl who can afford a computer. However, they FAIL to realize that most starcraft players are STUDENTS, who have enough loans already on their bucks and certainly won't pay $20 (2~4 days worth of meal plan) to sit in their room. You are going to owe tens of thousands on college anyways aren't you? whats the big deal about $20. I pay for education, not for sitting in my room staring at the computer screen. I firmly believe that information should be free and thus I hate when I'm required to pay to watch an online stream. I respect that MLG is a profitable organization, and I also respect that ESports is a growing industry, therefore I've never had any complaints against advertisements and I'll never use adblock, because I think ads is the most legitimate way for any internet based organization to make money, besides sponsors (which are pretty much also ads). However, since I already pay my ISP crap loads of money per month, I want what I watch on it to be free, just like how you watch television. So go study or something and make use of your education instead of bitching about the $20. Do you just want attention or something? Also, "not for sitting in my room staring at the computer screen?" Well, isn't that what you would be doing if it was free? I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Imagine one day suddenly you have to pay to lay in your bed, that's what I meant. Unless you stole your bed from the manufacturer, then someone had to pay for you to lie in it. I'm fine with paying for it once, but having to pay for it every night and that's the only way for it to be, hell no.
It's almost like you pay MLG once and then you use their product!
Wait, no, it's exactly like that. Because that's how it works.
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Mod Edit: Don't be an idiot like this idiot and make idiotic posts about restreams.
User was temp banned for this post.
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i can still watch every of the 4 streams for free on the mlg page. wtf is this shit. my friend can't.
THAT must be a kick in the nuts for everyone who has paid. sorry guys.
edit: been watching for over 4 hours now
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Not really. I'm glad I paid for a product that I wanted to watch. And I'm glad that it's turned out to be worth the money.
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Wonder how much money/viewership MLG has lost on this already?
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This seems like poor business planning on behalf of MLG.
Their viewer base is not large enough to cover the costs they've incurred, especially considering the low relative wealth of the 16-24 age group as is.
I have the money to pay for this, but it the value just isn't there. I can watch tournaments for free, or get a gsl pass for months of content, I don't want 20 hours of stream when I'll end up watching 2-3.
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On February 25 2012 13:10 TheTurk wrote:
Wonder how much money/viewership MLG has lost on this already?
stubborn ehh? give it up tired of this ppv QQ if you dont want to pay dont view simple.
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MLG, you're amazing, and I love your product. Please protect your profits and your rights by proceeding legally against people who are restreaming, as much as it is possible to do so. This is one example where I would fully support seeing massive fines handed out to people.
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On February 25 2012 13:21 Fission wrote:
MLG, you're amazing, and I love your product. Please protect your profits and your rights by proceeding legally against people who are restreaming, as much as it is possible to do so. This is one example where I would fully support seeing massive fines handed out to people.
Might be a hard case for MLG to win. They did wave their copyright in regard to displaying their protected product in public.
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This event is 100% worth my money. The stream viewing experience is actually amazing...switching between streams and quad stream etc is all very fluid. And having Tastosis is just crucial. This is SO MUCH BETTER than just watching a stream embedded on TL.
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I was on the fence mainly because I didn't think Gold members got any discount on price, but after seeing we got $5 off I jumped in and ordered. There were a few hiccups at first with the subscribe pop ups, but I just had to completely log out of justin.tv and close all my browsers. After logging back in, my quad view has now been running flawless for 3+ hours, and this is on a 6 year old laptop with a stock graphics card. I figured for sure all this streaming would blow up my comp, but it's still running great.
Completely worth the money.
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