EPTMLG Winter Arena to be PPV - Page 200
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Jebusrocks
Canada62 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On February 20 2012 04:50 KungFuGhost wrote: We don't pay for sports on TV yes we do... | ||
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llKenZyll
United States853 Posts
No we don't. Short of commercials or anything like that. | ||
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
If your refering to buying a service provider for cable, then yes you pay for sports, just as your pay for your interent in order to watch the streams. | ||
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WigglingSquid
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KungFuGhost
19 Posts
If you mean the cost for cable or satellite then yeah, but you get like every sport on the planet 24 7 and 1000 channels. I'm talking about modern marketing, like the winter x games on espn. Free to attend, free to watch on TV. If you can't afford a TV, you can go to a bar and eat free pretzels while you watch for free  There are smarter ways to market esports then pay per view. Pay per view works for UFC, boxing and pro wrestling, but not other sports. The GSL is pretty successful, but in the USA it might be better to go large and get more fans, making fans pay on pay per view will never bring it to the mainstream.I'm personally just going to watch it free a week later. If it was a Code S tournament I'd consider paying but it's not. | ||
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bLecK
Australia625 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 20 2012 10:24 Jisall wrote: If your refering to buying a service provider for cable, then yes you pay for sports, just as your pay for your interent in order to watch the streams. Yes, but your IP does not pay MLG to show the stream, unlike cable TV, who pays all major sports organisations to show their events. You can pay your cable provider. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On February 20 2012 10:24 Jisall wrote: If your refering to buying a service provider for cable, then yes you pay for sports, just as your pay for your interent in order to watch the streams. This isn't exactly true. When you buy internet, your ISP doesn't have any sort of royalty or profit-sharing program with the sites you access nor do they sign contracts with specific websites to allow access to their content. When you buy cable TV on the other hand, you only get access to a certain amount of channels that your ISP has worked out deals with. Those channels make the rest of their money through ads. That's why you sometimes hear about channels getting dropped from TV packages (like G4 did a couple years ago with Dish). Basically, not enough people watched it for Dish Network to continue paying them for inclusion in its TV plan. Plus with sports there are even more things to keep in mind, like regional licensing rights and whatnot. Most games aren't shown on TV except for in their local area unless they're extremely high profile or part of a large media market. | ||
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KungFuGhost
19 Posts
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Liight
Iceland103 Posts
You have to realize the fact that the majority of the gaming community is kids and teenagers that either have no money or no credit card or arent in a position to pay anything over the internet.... God knows how many wow players only play wow because of the game cards. If mlg is expecting or hoping for the same or more viewers, then this is just going to be a disaster. | ||
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s0Li
United States406 Posts
On February 21 2012 10:25 Liight wrote: Gonna be funny to see what happens, when mlg loses more than half of the viewers. You have to realize the fact that the majority of the gaming community is kids and teenagers that either have no money or no credit card or arent in a position to pay anything over the internet.... God knows how many wow players only play wow because of the game cards. If mlg is expecting or hoping for the same or more viewers, then this is just going to be a disaster. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=214457 87% of TL members are 18 or older, so your argument that the gaming community is kids and teenagers is a little off. Maybe years ago but most people in America have grown up playing computer games and they in turn grow up into adults with disposable income to spend on things that interest them. If you want to watch it pay the money for it, if you feel it is not worth the money for a weekends worth of entertainment then that is up to you, but making generalizations will not help the community grow. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On February 21 2012 10:25 Liight wrote: Gonna be funny to see what happens, when mlg loses more than half of the viewers. You have to realize the fact that the majority of the gaming community is kids and teenagers that either have no money or no credit card or arent in a position to pay anything over the internet.... God knows how many wow players only play wow because of the game cards. If mlg is expecting or hoping for the same or more viewers, then this is just going to be a disaster. They dont need the same or even half there viewers. If they have half the viewers they usually have then this is an overwhelming success on a near unpresedented level. They are hoping for 10-15% of there viewers to pay for the arena stream which is a feasable possibility. | ||
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Liight
Iceland103 Posts
On February 21 2012 10:49 s0Li wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=214457 87% of TL members are 18 or older, so your argument that the gaming community is kids and teenagers is a little off. Maybe years ago but most people in America have grown up playing computer games and they in turn grow up into adults with disposable income to spend on things that interest them. If you want to watch it pay the money for it, if you feel it is not worth the money for a weekends worth of entertainment then that is up to you, but making generalizations will not help the community grow. Because the TL community represents the average age for everyone in the world that plays or watches sc2 streams ? I was just trying to make a point with irrelevant statistics, after all didnt 90% of the 3.700 people vote NO in the first post ? I feel like this is a pretty crappy move towards "expanding the gaming/esport scene" Not sure how dropping the viewer count by a ton is going to help, whether it increases Sundance's wallet or not. But i wont pay for it so nor shall i argue about it any further. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
To play the devil's advocate, though, there is another difference. Cable companies are a source of revenue for sports tournaments - they have to pay the event organizers to run their event on TV. Internet companies are not a source of revenue for eSports tournaments - they charge the event organizers for the bandwidth needed to stream. Moreover, sports events can run businesses of scale because of how many viewers they have. eSports, by comparison, has too few viewers to generate that kind of revenue from just advertisement and live event tickets. All in all, I can understand MLG's decision to try out PPV, but I don't think their business model for it is very good. The price - $20 a weekend - might not seem much compared to live event tickets, but in streaming it's far more expensive than what's offered by comparable services in other domains. Yes, eSports has different requirements as an industry, but as a consumer it's part of the same equation. | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
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Kanuck
Canada50 Posts
On TV: You Pay Cable Service Cable service pays TV channels for use of their programming Commercials also pay the TV channel to show thier product TV channels pay the sporting event for the rights to broadcast. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You --> Cable Service ----> TV Channel (+commercials) --> Sporting Event On Internet: You Pay internet you also pay sporting event commercials also pay sporting event -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet <---- You ----> Sporting Event (+commercials) now, for my opinion. This will be a horrible failure. The majority of people who saw the value in the HD pass were already buying it. Now those who are used to the free option will largely opt not to watch. Thus cutting their commercial revenues out. Really it seems like a horrible business plan, and im surprised anyone suggested it, yet alone green lit it, The really sad part about this is its going to make starcraft look unprofitable when this business model fails horribly and every investor things its reflective of the scene. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On February 22 2012 09:46 epoc wrote: I still dont understand what PPV stands for Pay Per View. | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
Thank you. | ||
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Goldylock
36 Posts
On February 21 2012 10:52 Adreme wrote: They dont need the same or even half there viewers. If they have half the viewers they usually have then this is an overwhelming success on a near unpresedented level. They are hoping for 10-15% of there viewers to pay for the arena stream which is a feasable possibility. I'm sure they'll make a larger profit if even 5% of the usual MLG viewers pay. Long term though they lose out on the exposure from the other 95%.. the players lose out, the sponsers lose out, etc. etc. All the typical hype players get after winning or having a good showing in a MLG is going to be severly diminished. It's fun for me to sit around for 1/2 my weekend and watch starcraft when a big tournament is going on, but it's also not very productive. When it's free and I don't have a lot of other things going on I'll do it, but I'm not going to spend $20 to sit around all weekend. The excitement is also pretty dampened when you're catching a replay a week later assuming that's going to be a free option so I'll probably only watch the finals/semi-finals and maybe another match or two that really stands out. I guess if I had some friends who were into SC2 as well it'd be worth it to drop the $20 and watch with a few buddies, but I don't know anyone who does so it's too big of an expense for me to sit around on my computer all weekend. | ||
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