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Criticism is allowed. Undue flaming is not. Take a second to think your post through before you submit.

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Should go without saying, but don't link restreams here either.
Twoinches
Profile Joined April 2010
United States131 Posts
February 19 2012 10:58 GMT
#3961
On February 19 2012 19:39 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 19:30 Twoinches wrote:
You guys are totally right, they would sell double the amount of lamborghini's if they were half off. Prices are what they are, if you cant afford them you cant have them. No one is entitled to free stuff. this is a special qualifier and the championship in columbus is still free so I dont know why there are so many complaints.

You will have to excuse me though I have a very angry thread post to make on Intels website because I cant afford there Intel Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition and I think they should just give it to me.


Comparing luxury cars to streams.
Comparing high end CPUs to streams.
Earlier you said that we shouldn't compare GSL and MLG, as GSL had less content which i proved was bs.


Maybe you should spend a minute or two to think about what you've written before you click that Post-button.



Well I feel the comparisons are valid. people are saying gsl you get more bang for your buck. "A whole month of content compared to a weekend". well not really since gsl plays so few games a night you get around maybe 10 more hours of actual games in comparison. and thats replaced with 10+ hours of interview and behind the scenes footage at the arena, so it doesnt feel like im getting less for my money at all. thats why I feel that argument is weak

and the people are saying if it was 10$ less they would get double the buyers. well did they just make up that math? just because somethings cheaper doesn't mean it will sell. It might sell double and even then, they would be making the same amount of money from the 20$ stream. Again this si why i feel this point is weak as well. If I sell 1 car at 250,000 or 2 cars at 125,000 then Ive still only made 250,000 either way.

the whole point of this experiment is to make money. to stay in business you need money and Sundance is trying something.

Paris hilton Is my Lord and Savior
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 11:05:31
February 19 2012 11:03 GMT
#3962
On February 19 2012 19:58 Twoinches wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 19:39 karpo wrote:
On February 19 2012 19:30 Twoinches wrote:
You guys are totally right, they would sell double the amount of lamborghini's if they were half off. Prices are what they are, if you cant afford them you cant have them. No one is entitled to free stuff. this is a special qualifier and the championship in columbus is still free so I dont know why there are so many complaints.

You will have to excuse me though I have a very angry thread post to make on Intels website because I cant afford there Intel Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition and I think they should just give it to me.


Comparing luxury cars to streams.
Comparing high end CPUs to streams.
Earlier you said that we shouldn't compare GSL and MLG, as GSL had less content which i proved was bs.


Maybe you should spend a minute or two to think about what you've written before you click that Post-button.



Well I feel the comparisons are valid. people are saying gsl you get more bang for your buck. "A whole month of content compared to a weekend". well not really since gsl plays so few games a night you get around maybe 10 more hours of actual games in comparison. and thats replaced with 10+ hours of interview and behind the scenes footage at the arena, so it doesnt feel like im getting less for my money at all. thats why I feel that argument is weak

and the people are saying if it was 10$ less they would get double the buyers. well did they just make up that math? just because somethings cheaper doesn't mean it will sell. It might sell double and even then, they would be making the same amount of money from the 20$ stream. Again this si why i feel this point is weak as well. If I sell 1 car at 250,000 or 2 cars at 125,000 then Ive still only made 250,000 either way.

the whole point of this experiment is to make money. to stay in business you need money and Sundance is trying something.



You realize that the GSL had 30 hours of content in three weeks, but you actually pay for two months of gameplay. So it's closer to 40-50 hours, not counting the GSL Of the Record which is comparable to the MLG stuff. So content wise the GSL still provides alot more.

You point about cars is also flawed as luxury cars and CPU's are also priced based on competition. If one model offers more goodies for about the same price i'm pretty sure that model will sell better. It's not about just cutting the price in half to sell more, it's about the value of the content and how it compares to other similar services.
Twoinches
Profile Joined April 2010
United States131 Posts
February 19 2012 11:15 GMT
#3963
On February 19 2012 20:03 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 19:58 Twoinches wrote:
On February 19 2012 19:39 karpo wrote:
On February 19 2012 19:30 Twoinches wrote:
You guys are totally right, they would sell double the amount of lamborghini's if they were half off. Prices are what they are, if you cant afford them you cant have them. No one is entitled to free stuff. this is a special qualifier and the championship in columbus is still free so I dont know why there are so many complaints.

You will have to excuse me though I have a very angry thread post to make on Intels website because I cant afford there Intel Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition and I think they should just give it to me.


Comparing luxury cars to streams.
Comparing high end CPUs to streams.
Earlier you said that we shouldn't compare GSL and MLG, as GSL had less content which i proved was bs.


Maybe you should spend a minute or two to think about what you've written before you click that Post-button.



Well I feel the comparisons are valid. people are saying gsl you get more bang for your buck. "A whole month of content compared to a weekend". well not really since gsl plays so few games a night you get around maybe 10 more hours of actual games in comparison. and thats replaced with 10+ hours of interview and behind the scenes footage at the arena, so it doesnt feel like im getting less for my money at all. thats why I feel that argument is weak

and the people are saying if it was 10$ less they would get double the buyers. well did they just make up that math? just because somethings cheaper doesn't mean it will sell. It might sell double and even then, they would be making the same amount of money from the 20$ stream. Again this si why i feel this point is weak as well. If I sell 1 car at 250,000 or 2 cars at 125,000 then Ive still only made 250,000 either way.

the whole point of this experiment is to make money. to stay in business you need money and Sundance is trying something.



You realize that the GSL had 30 hours of content in three weeks, but you actually pay for two months of gameplay. So it's closer to 40-50 hours, not counting the GSL Of the Record which is comparable to the MLG stuff. So content wise the GSL still provides alot more.

You point about cars is also flawed as luxury cars and CPU's are also priced based on competition. If one model offers more goodies for about the same price i'm pretty sure that model will sell better. It's not about just cutting the price in half to sell more, it's about the value of the content and how it compares to other similar services.


But again you cant compare quality at all until it has actually happened for the first time. No one knows right now if it will be worth it so how can that be mentioned. the way the demo setup for twitch is Looks hot and I cant wait to see how it turns out.

If the stream is garbage and it turns out bad I will flip my argument around, but right now quality can only be speculated.
and yes prices are based on what competitors charge but just because you offer more doesnt mean you have to charge more.

Playstation + offers WAY more to me then xbox live ever has. I get free games almost every week, free hour long demos of a lot of titles to try out, early betas, themes and a ton of other stuff for 49.99 a year. Xbox live I get to play games online and tacobell and Axe body spray advertisements at 59.99 a year.

im not saying mlg is offering a better product the Gom, im just saying we dont know yet. and its to early to hang them for it. let the stream do the talking next weekend.

Comparisons aside I just want some sick games in 720p with casters I care about, and i will be happy.
Paris hilton Is my Lord and Savior
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 11:20:22
February 19 2012 11:19 GMT
#3964
On February 19 2012 20:15 Twoinches wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 20:03 karpo wrote:
On February 19 2012 19:58 Twoinches wrote:
On February 19 2012 19:39 karpo wrote:
On February 19 2012 19:30 Twoinches wrote:
You guys are totally right, they would sell double the amount of lamborghini's if they were half off. Prices are what they are, if you cant afford them you cant have them. No one is entitled to free stuff. this is a special qualifier and the championship in columbus is still free so I dont know why there are so many complaints.

You will have to excuse me though I have a very angry thread post to make on Intels website because I cant afford there Intel Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition and I think they should just give it to me.


Comparing luxury cars to streams.
Comparing high end CPUs to streams.
Earlier you said that we shouldn't compare GSL and MLG, as GSL had less content which i proved was bs.


Maybe you should spend a minute or two to think about what you've written before you click that Post-button.



Well I feel the comparisons are valid. people are saying gsl you get more bang for your buck. "A whole month of content compared to a weekend". well not really since gsl plays so few games a night you get around maybe 10 more hours of actual games in comparison. and thats replaced with 10+ hours of interview and behind the scenes footage at the arena, so it doesnt feel like im getting less for my money at all. thats why I feel that argument is weak

and the people are saying if it was 10$ less they would get double the buyers. well did they just make up that math? just because somethings cheaper doesn't mean it will sell. It might sell double and even then, they would be making the same amount of money from the 20$ stream. Again this si why i feel this point is weak as well. If I sell 1 car at 250,000 or 2 cars at 125,000 then Ive still only made 250,000 either way.

the whole point of this experiment is to make money. to stay in business you need money and Sundance is trying something.



You realize that the GSL had 30 hours of content in three weeks, but you actually pay for two months of gameplay. So it's closer to 40-50 hours, not counting the GSL Of the Record which is comparable to the MLG stuff. So content wise the GSL still provides alot more.

You point about cars is also flawed as luxury cars and CPU's are also priced based on competition. If one model offers more goodies for about the same price i'm pretty sure that model will sell better. It's not about just cutting the price in half to sell more, it's about the value of the content and how it compares to other similar services.


But again you cant compare quality at all until it has actually happened for the first time. No one knows right now if it will be worth it so how can that be mentioned. the way the demo setup for twitch is Looks hot and I cant wait to see how it turns out.

If the stream is garbage and it turns out bad I will flip my argument around, but right now quality can only be speculated.
and yes prices are based on what competitors charge but just because you offer more doesnt mean you have to charge more.

Playstation + offers WAY more to me then xbox live ever has. I get free games almost every week, free hour long demos of a lot of titles to try out, early betas, themes and a ton of other stuff for 49.99 a year. Xbox live I get to play games online and tacobell and Axe body spray advertisements at 59.99 a year.

im not saying mlg is offering a better product the Gom, im just saying we dont know yet. and its to early to hang them for it. let the stream do the talking next weekend.

Comparisons aside I just want some sick games in 720p with casters I care about, and i will be happy.


Actually you were saying that the GSL didn't provide more content and it was just stretched out. I showed how you were wrong, now you're backtracking. Your car/cpu analogy was also horrible, and you seem to backtrack on that too.

If you just want to see how it goes and hope for good matches, that fine. Making stuff up about the amount of content without checking first is stupid.
Gackt_
Profile Joined March 2010
335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 11:31:15
February 19 2012 11:26 GMT
#3965
wouldnt it be good with a poll that says "What do you think is a fair price to pay for MLG HQ streaming" ?

and then we add in 3 dollar, 5 dollar, 7 dollar, 10 dollar, 15 dollar 20 dollar.. ? I would've liked to pay 5 dollars for a weekend. I simply dont think it's worth more since it's only a weekend with mostley mediocre matches. The very last games are always very good but overall...meeh..

(i compare this to GSL where we pay about 5.9 dollars a month for Code S and A if u bought the HQ light ticket year 12 months.. with WAY better content)
ProBot
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada170 Posts
February 19 2012 11:30 GMT
#3966
Are we still talking about this?
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
February 19 2012 11:31 GMT
#3967
On February 19 2012 20:30 ProBot wrote:
Are we still talking about this?


They are
johanreidel
Profile Joined December 2011
27 Posts
February 19 2012 11:33 GMT
#3968
I feel like 20$ is to much for a weekend event. 5$-10$ would have been more in line with what you get. Asis I'll try to get some of the barcraft action in, but we will see.
Twoinches
Profile Joined April 2010
United States131 Posts
February 19 2012 11:36 GMT
#3969
On February 19 2012 20:19 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 20:15 Twoinches wrote:
On February 19 2012 20:03 karpo wrote:
On February 19 2012 19:58 Twoinches wrote:
On February 19 2012 19:39 karpo wrote:
On February 19 2012 19:30 Twoinches wrote:
You guys are totally right, they would sell double the amount of lamborghini's if they were half off. Prices are what they are, if you cant afford them you cant have them. No one is entitled to free stuff. this is a special qualifier and the championship in columbus is still free so I dont know why there are so many complaints.

You will have to excuse me though I have a very angry thread post to make on Intels website because I cant afford there Intel Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition and I think they should just give it to me.


Comparing luxury cars to streams.
Comparing high end CPUs to streams.
Earlier you said that we shouldn't compare GSL and MLG, as GSL had less content which i proved was bs.


Maybe you should spend a minute or two to think about what you've written before you click that Post-button.



Well I feel the comparisons are valid. people are saying gsl you get more bang for your buck. "A whole month of content compared to a weekend". well not really since gsl plays so few games a night you get around maybe 10 more hours of actual games in comparison. and thats replaced with 10+ hours of interview and behind the scenes footage at the arena, so it doesnt feel like im getting less for my money at all. thats why I feel that argument is weak

and the people are saying if it was 10$ less they would get double the buyers. well did they just make up that math? just because somethings cheaper doesn't mean it will sell. It might sell double and even then, they would be making the same amount of money from the 20$ stream. Again this si why i feel this point is weak as well. If I sell 1 car at 250,000 or 2 cars at 125,000 then Ive still only made 250,000 either way.

the whole point of this experiment is to make money. to stay in business you need money and Sundance is trying something.


+ Show Spoiler +

You realize that the GSL had 30 hours of content in three weeks, but you actually pay for two months of gameplay. So it's closer to 40-50 hours, not counting the GSL Of the Record which is comparable to the MLG stuff. So content wise the GSL still provides alot more.

You point about cars is also flawed as luxury cars and CPU's are also priced based on competition. If one model offers more goodies for about the same price i'm pretty sure that model will sell better. It's not about just cutting the price in half to sell more, it's about the value of the content and how it compares to other similar services.


But again you cant compare quality at all until it has actually happened for the first time. No one knows right now if it will be worth it so how can that be mentioned. the way the demo setup for twitch is Looks hot and I cant wait to see how it turns out.

If the stream is garbage and it turns out bad I will flip my argument around, but right now quality can only be speculated.
and yes prices are based on what competitors charge but just because you offer more doesnt mean you have to charge more.

Playstation + offers WAY more to me then xbox live ever has. I get free games almost every week, free hour long demos of a lot of titles to try out, early betas, themes and a ton of other stuff for 49.99 a year. Xbox live I get to play games online and tacobell and Axe body spray advertisements at 59.99 a year.

im not saying mlg is offering a better product the Gom, im just saying we dont know yet. and its to early to hang them for it. let the stream do the talking next weekend.

Comparisons aside I just want some sick games in 720p with casters I care about, and i will be happy.


Actually you were saying that the GSL didn't provide more content and it was just stretched out. I showed how you were wrong, now you're backtracking. Your car/cpu analogy was also horrible, and you seem to backtrack on that too.

If you just want to see how it goes and hope for good matches, that fine. Making stuff up about the amount of content without checking first is stupid.


I don't know how I was backtracking but ok. you said I was wrong, I didn't disagree and said why I made the comparisons.
Paris hilton Is my Lord and Savior
Twoinches
Profile Joined April 2010
United States131 Posts
February 19 2012 11:38 GMT
#3970
On February 19 2012 20:26 Gackt_ wrote:
wouldnt it be good with a poll that says "What do you think is a fair price to pay for MLG HQ streaming" ?

and then we add in 3 dollar, 5 dollar, 7 dollar, 10 dollar, 15 dollar 20 dollar.. ? I would've liked to pay 5 dollars for a weekend. I simply dont think it's worth more since it's only a weekend with mostley mediocre matches. The very last games are always very good but overall...meeh..

(i compare this to GSL where we pay about 5.9 dollars a month for Code S and A if u bought the HQ light ticket year 12 months.. with WAY better content)


"with WAY better content" how do you know this? it hasnt aired yet.
Paris hilton Is my Lord and Savior
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
February 19 2012 11:43 GMT
#3971
On February 19 2012 20:19 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 20:15 Twoinches wrote:
On February 19 2012 20:03 karpo wrote:
On February 19 2012 19:58 Twoinches wrote:
On February 19 2012 19:39 karpo wrote:
On February 19 2012 19:30 Twoinches wrote:
You guys are totally right, they would sell double the amount of lamborghini's if they were half off. Prices are what they are, if you cant afford them you cant have them. No one is entitled to free stuff. this is a special qualifier and the championship in columbus is still free so I dont know why there are so many complaints.

You will have to excuse me though I have a very angry thread post to make on Intels website because I cant afford there Intel Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition and I think they should just give it to me.


Comparing luxury cars to streams.
Comparing high end CPUs to streams.
Earlier you said that we shouldn't compare GSL and MLG, as GSL had less content which i proved was bs.


Maybe you should spend a minute or two to think about what you've written before you click that Post-button.



Well I feel the comparisons are valid. people are saying gsl you get more bang for your buck. "A whole month of content compared to a weekend". well not really since gsl plays so few games a night you get around maybe 10 more hours of actual games in comparison. and thats replaced with 10+ hours of interview and behind the scenes footage at the arena, so it doesnt feel like im getting less for my money at all. thats why I feel that argument is weak

and the people are saying if it was 10$ less they would get double the buyers. well did they just make up that math? just because somethings cheaper doesn't mean it will sell. It might sell double and even then, they would be making the same amount of money from the 20$ stream. Again this si why i feel this point is weak as well. If I sell 1 car at 250,000 or 2 cars at 125,000 then Ive still only made 250,000 either way.

the whole point of this experiment is to make money. to stay in business you need money and Sundance is trying something.



You realize that the GSL had 30 hours of content in three weeks, but you actually pay for two months of gameplay. So it's closer to 40-50 hours, not counting the GSL Of the Record which is comparable to the MLG stuff. So content wise the GSL still provides alot more.

You point about cars is also flawed as luxury cars and CPU's are also priced based on competition. If one model offers more goodies for about the same price i'm pretty sure that model will sell better. It's not about just cutting the price in half to sell more, it's about the value of the content and how it compares to other similar services.


But again you cant compare quality at all until it has actually happened for the first time. No one knows right now if it will be worth it so how can that be mentioned. the way the demo setup for twitch is Looks hot and I cant wait to see how it turns out.

If the stream is garbage and it turns out bad I will flip my argument around, but right now quality can only be speculated.
and yes prices are based on what competitors charge but just because you offer more doesnt mean you have to charge more.

Playstation + offers WAY more to me then xbox live ever has. I get free games almost every week, free hour long demos of a lot of titles to try out, early betas, themes and a ton of other stuff for 49.99 a year. Xbox live I get to play games online and tacobell and Axe body spray advertisements at 59.99 a year.

im not saying mlg is offering a better product the Gom, im just saying we dont know yet. and its to early to hang them for it. let the stream do the talking next weekend.

Comparisons aside I just want some sick games in 720p with casters I care about, and i will be happy.


Actually you were saying that the GSL didn't provide more content and it was just stretched out. I showed how you were wrong, now you're backtracking. Your car/cpu analogy was also horrible, and you seem to backtrack on that too.

If you just want to see how it goes and hope for good matches, that fine. Making stuff up about the amount of content without checking first is stupid.


Also worth noting is that while MLG might have their stream on for like 8+ hours every day during an event they still have 15-20 minute downtime between games most of the time. So there is probably like 6 hours of no content going out per MLG weekend. That's probably not going to happen int he winter arena but we can't be sure. GSL has BY FAR more bang for the buck in every single convievable way. There is more content and the games are played at a significantly higher level than MLG has ever been. I know this might not be that important to newer players but veterans and people on fairly high ladder ratings actually want to see the best play possible.

The competition is obviously going to be better at winter arena then any previous MLG events but it's still not going to be code S quality. Some games will be, but most wont.

Hence it's completely justified to claim that this pricing is not only overpriced but that the people that set it has put a lot of faith in a product that hasn't even been tried before. I would go so far as to say that it's quite a bad move in the buisness sense as they are putting a lot of money into something that may well fail really hard.
sereniity
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Sweden1159 Posts
February 19 2012 11:59 GMT
#3972
On February 19 2012 20:38 Twoinches wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 20:26 Gackt_ wrote:
wouldnt it be good with a poll that says "What do you think is a fair price to pay for MLG HQ streaming" ?

and then we add in 3 dollar, 5 dollar, 7 dollar, 10 dollar, 15 dollar 20 dollar.. ? I would've liked to pay 5 dollars for a weekend. I simply dont think it's worth more since it's only a weekend with mostley mediocre matches. The very last games are always very good but overall...meeh..

(i compare this to GSL where we pay about 5.9 dollars a month for Code S and A if u bought the HQ light ticket year 12 months.. with WAY better content)


"with WAY better content" how do you know this? it hasnt aired yet.


GSL production value is better than MLGs. Not to mention the calibre of the players...
"I am Day9, Holy shit!"
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 19 2012 12:08 GMT
#3973
On February 19 2012 20:59 sereniity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 20:38 Twoinches wrote:
On February 19 2012 20:26 Gackt_ wrote:
wouldnt it be good with a poll that says "What do you think is a fair price to pay for MLG HQ streaming" ?

and then we add in 3 dollar, 5 dollar, 7 dollar, 10 dollar, 15 dollar 20 dollar.. ? I would've liked to pay 5 dollars for a weekend. I simply dont think it's worth more since it's only a weekend with mostley mediocre matches. The very last games are always very good but overall...meeh..

(i compare this to GSL where we pay about 5.9 dollars a month for Code S and A if u bought the HQ light ticket year 12 months.. with WAY better content)


"with WAY better content" how do you know this? it hasnt aired yet.


GSL production value is better than MLGs. Not to mention the calibre of the players...

we havent seen the production for the winter arena yet. MLG's stream quality is gonna kick GSLs ass too. True 1080p. And did you see the player list? Nearly every major Korean is there.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
February 19 2012 12:18 GMT
#3974
On February 19 2012 21:08 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 20:59 sereniity wrote:
On February 19 2012 20:38 Twoinches wrote:
On February 19 2012 20:26 Gackt_ wrote:
wouldnt it be good with a poll that says "What do you think is a fair price to pay for MLG HQ streaming" ?

and then we add in 3 dollar, 5 dollar, 7 dollar, 10 dollar, 15 dollar 20 dollar.. ? I would've liked to pay 5 dollars for a weekend. I simply dont think it's worth more since it's only a weekend with mostley mediocre matches. The very last games are always very good but overall...meeh..

(i compare this to GSL where we pay about 5.9 dollars a month for Code S and A if u bought the HQ light ticket year 12 months.. with WAY better content)


"with WAY better content" how do you know this? it hasnt aired yet.


GSL production value is better than MLGs. Not to mention the calibre of the players...

we havent seen the production for the winter arena yet. MLG's stream quality is gonna kick GSLs ass too. True 1080p. And did you see the player list? Nearly every major Korean is there.

Yea the 1080p stream thegunrun set up for testing a few days ago looked so much better than mlg's previous hd stream. Plus he tweaked it somehow and Europeans can also watch it lag free now. At least I do and I had video lag before.
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rehagel
Profile Joined February 2012
6 Posts
February 19 2012 12:19 GMT
#3975
Just ignore the event. MLG will get the message.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 12:42:39
February 19 2012 12:41 GMT
#3976
On February 19 2012 21:18 Shinobi1982 wrote:
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On February 19 2012 21:08 jmbthirteen wrote:
On February 19 2012 20:59 sereniity wrote:
On February 19 2012 20:38 Twoinches wrote:
On February 19 2012 20:26 Gackt_ wrote:
wouldnt it be good with a poll that says "What do you think is a fair price to pay for MLG HQ streaming" ?

and then we add in 3 dollar, 5 dollar, 7 dollar, 10 dollar, 15 dollar 20 dollar.. ? I would've liked to pay 5 dollars for a weekend. I simply dont think it's worth more since it's only a weekend with mostley mediocre matches. The very last games are always very good but overall...meeh..

(i compare this to GSL where we pay about 5.9 dollars a month for Code S and A if u bought the HQ light ticket year 12 months.. with WAY better content)


"with WAY better content" how do you know this? it hasnt aired yet.


GSL production value is better than MLGs. Not to mention the calibre of the players...

we havent seen the production for the winter arena yet. MLG's stream quality is gonna kick GSLs ass too. True 1080p. And did you see the player list? Nearly every major Korean is there.

Yea the 1080p stream thegunrun set up for testing a few days ago looked so much better than mlg's previous hd stream. Plus he tweaked it somehow and Europeans can also watch it lag free now. At least I do and I had video lag before.


Gunrun the Wizard of twitch

On February 19 2012 21:19 rehagel wrote:
Just ignore the event. MLG will get the message.


Yup, lower the price to 10$, and give the gold members more. As for me I'll be buying the winter arena pass.
KungFuGhost
Profile Joined February 2012
19 Posts
February 19 2012 19:50 GMT
#3977
We don't pay for sports on TV, why should be pay for it online? You guys should pay for it through sponsorship. Look at the xgames for example, they are free to attend, free to watch. They get their income from sponsorship. Making the fans pay is the last thing you want to do if you want to improve esports.
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 20:06:19
February 19 2012 20:05 GMT
#3978
On February 19 2012 19:58 Twoinches wrote:
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On February 19 2012 19:39 karpo wrote:
On February 19 2012 19:30 Twoinches wrote:
You guys are totally right, they would sell double the amount of lamborghini's if they were half off. Prices are what they are, if you cant afford them you cant have them. No one is entitled to free stuff. this is a special qualifier and the championship in columbus is still free so I dont know why there are so many complaints.

You will have to excuse me though I have a very angry thread post to make on Intels website because I cant afford there Intel Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition and I think they should just give it to me.


Comparing luxury cars to streams.
Comparing high end CPUs to streams.
Earlier you said that we shouldn't compare GSL and MLG, as GSL had less content which i proved was bs.


Maybe you should spend a minute or two to think about what you've written before you click that Post-button.



Well I feel the comparisons are valid. people are saying gsl you get more bang for your buck. "A whole month of content compared to a weekend". well not really since gsl plays so few games a night you get around maybe 10 more hours of actual games in comparison. and thats replaced with 10+ hours of interview and behind the scenes footage at the arena, so it doesnt feel like im getting less for my money at all. thats why I feel that argument is weak

and the people are saying if it was 10$ less they would get double the buyers. well did they just make up that math? just because somethings cheaper doesn't mean it will sell. It might sell double and even then, they would be making the same amount of money from the 20$ stream. Again this si why i feel this point is weak as well. If I sell 1 car at 250,000 or 2 cars at 125,000 then Ive still only made 250,000 either way.

the whole point of this experiment is to make money. to stay in business you need money and Sundance is trying something.


First of all it's a lot more than 10hrs more. It airs 3 days a week with 12-16 matches meaning about 14hrs or so of content every WEEK.
The point about selling two cars or selling one is also wrong. You sell two cars and you get the potential to sell 2 more cars, and 2 more after that. If you only sell one then that potential drops. If I can quote Glengarry Glen Ross: "You don't sell a guy one car, you sell a guy 5 cars over 15 years", and that's why it's surely better to have double the amount of viewers for half the price.
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llKenZyll
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States853 Posts
February 19 2012 20:07 GMT
#3979
At least they made it purchasable online.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nd6nd/tang_in_his_natural_habitat/
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 19 2012 21:26 GMT
#3980
On February 20 2012 04:50 KungFuGhost wrote:
We don't pay for sports on TV, why should be pay for it online? You guys should pay for it through sponsorship. Look at the xgames for example, they are free to attend, free to watch. They get their income from sponsorship. Making the fans pay is the last thing you want to do if you want to improve esports.

really? we don't pay for sports on tv? have cable or satellite? You pay for sports. How many games do you get to watch for "free" btw? A handful a week right? What if you want to watch all the games? What if you live in an area where you don't get your favorite teams game? You have to spend about $300 for that.

And yeah, teams get money from sponsorships, BUT what is the big money maker is the TV contracts. MLG doesn't have that luxury yet.
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