MLG Winter Arena to be PPV - Page 131

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Should go without saying, but don't link restreams here either.

frozenrb

Poland389 Posts

February 14 2012 17:26 GMT

#2601

On February 15 2012 02:22 Lorch wrote:

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And a way worse player pool and worse casters, MLG is where I'll be <3 Been supporting for 6 years now, will continue to do so. MLG fighting!!!

Worse players ? Becouse koreans are coming? and they will kick foregin ass like always?

Robonord

United States311 Posts

February 14 2012 17:27 GMT

#2602

If $20 is out of your budget or if you just don't like the idea of paying to view the Arena Live, there are other options. Pool some money with friends, or attend a Barcraft in your area. If there are no local Barcrafts, organize one—and let us know your plans so we can help promote it. Lastly, all matches will of course be made available free to everyone as VOD, one week after the Arena wraps up.

In the end I'm sure some of you will be very vocal in your displeasure of our plans, but I truly hope that once you have had some time to digest what we have planned, you will see it for what it is—a required step in furthering the growth and success of eSports.

I mean why stop there? Stay an extra hour at work, clean the shit infested bathroom for that extra $20, give another 5 bjs on the corner, THIS IS FOR ESPORTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Linwelin

Ireland7554 Posts

February 14 2012 17:27 GMT

#2603

On February 15 2012 02:26 Frankon wrote:

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Ignore Nony. He still (?) have a active sponsorship contract with one of MLG main sponsors. So he can only say good things about them. The same as JP or Slasher having hard time saying anything "negative" about MLG on their shows. Well JP at least since Slasher's show got iced and found no home.

As far as i know, his Stride gum sponsorship "expired" last year

iky43210

United States2099 Posts

February 14 2012 17:28 GMT

#2604

On February 15 2012 02:23 thebigdonkey wrote:

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On February 15 2012 01:41 NoobSkills wrote:

On February 15 2012 01:23 Ansinjunger wrote:

On February 15 2012 01:10 Essobee wrote:

On February 15 2012 00:55 Longshank wrote:

On February 15 2012 00:48 Essobee wrote:
I'm not sure that everyone with a gold membership understands that they are still getting the 4 pro circuit events this year, and therefore not missing out on anything that they were expecting. The winter arena is like adding shrimp to your steak at outback; it's a bit overpriced, but not necessary. you're still getting a pretty good steak without the addons.

Uhm, it's quite reasonable to believe that something advertised as Pro Circuit Arena would actually be included in your ticket that would cover all Pro Circuit events this year.

thanks for your quite helpful response.

the point is that the gold membership holders aren't losing out on anything they were promised. this winter arena is content that is additional, and technically any type of membership that was previously purchased, doesn't include this type of content.

do i think a membership should warrant a discount of events of these types? yes. do i think the price point is too high for an event of this type? yes. but i wasn't promised anything like arena events included with my membership, so i think it pertinent to remind people of this fact.

MLG has been good in the past about changing their stances on things that evoke so much ire in the community (like this). I wouldn't be surprised to see a drop in the price point, or a free low quality stream to be added. it's obvious that they're fumbling through this thing, trying to find a fair way (to themselves and the community) to provide quality content while maintaining some kind of business model.

make your opinions on the matter heard guys, but keep in mind that MLG has been pretty fair with us in the past, and they deserve a little more respect and patience from us in the community while they try and figure this uncharted territory out. rather than posting rude or immature posts to MLG, or even Sundance himself, speak out on forums like these, and ultimately speak with your wallet. to have some in the community threaten to boycott MLG entirely, or even threaten to "skull fuck" Sundance personally, really puts a black eye one the community as a whole. even if those people are the vocal minority.

Let me get this straight. MLG changed their Pro Circuit into something I didn't pay for with my gold membership. I can argue: I thought there were 6 live events, in 2012 there are only 4. That may sound like splitting hairs.

What if they made all of their events "arenas" and had only one live championship, like last year's Providence? There's nothing stopping them from doing that, and charging $$ for esports. Whoops, I guess I only paid for one event. Too bad my membership is canceled by the end of the year anyway. I don't know why you don't see a problem with "re-classifying" something so you can charge people who thought they'd already paid.

I'm sad if MLG is not breaking even financially, I'd rather they are successful. However, I'm not going to pay them $20 for something I thought I already did and is overpriced anyway. I don't have that kind of money right now, and if I did, Gom would get it first.

I also canceled my pitchfork pre-order.

Edit: changed "tournament" to "pro circuit"

Why are you operating under the assumption that they're not profitable? Why not operate under the assumption that they noticed MLG gets away with PPV and they think that with an inferior product they can appeal to our heart strings and grab some extra cash as well. I really wish people would open their eyes a bit. How does an company exist if they have been in the red for years according to them? How do they generate 50 million in 2009 and not find a way to make a profit?

Baseless biased speculation on your part. Plenty of startups operate in the red while building their business. Eventually, they have to find a way to make a profit or fail and I think MLG might be hitting that critical point.

MLG have been running for 10 years. Don't be ridiculous

Bastosai

France23 Posts

February 14 2012 17:30 GMT

#2605

I am lucky to have enough resources to pay for this. I'm European so MLG hours won't be on par with my availability, but I want to give back to people trying to establish e-sport in time. And I love SC2.
Of course, 20$ seems too much compared to GSL. But overall, looking at what has provided MLG last year, I feel that I could at least give back something. Maybe Gold membership as well.

The only odd thing is to make this move on the same time as Assembly. Seems really hard especially for European viewers.
Or we can think that it was intented to test it mainly on US customers, that could make sense.

Zirob13

Costa Rica44 Posts

February 14 2012 17:31 GMT

#2606

This is cruel, I dont have 20 bucks to watch MLG

so I am going to be missing all the games, thanks for nothing. You are ruinning eSports, instead of making it grow you are trying to fill your pockets asap.

Finrod1

Germany3997 Posts

February 14 2012 17:31 GMT

#2607

On February 14 2012 09:54 disciple wrote:
I really dislike how Sundance talks about growing esports. Like how ? By targeting an audience to sustain your business model ? This will damn nearly kill the european viewership imo. Which if you think in the lines of being real esports fan won't be a problem, no matter where you live. But in this chaotic time of various organizations throwing in investor money to establish themselves as the biggest league, I hate the "WE ARE DOING THIS FOR ESPORTS" propaganda thing to be thrown around, when the goal of these event organizers like MLG, IPL is to raise the bar high enough to kill the others while being able to sustain their model financially. So you need 100 000$ to fly your players and be able to offer high production value. I don't remember TSL3 needing that sort of funds and it was easily the most thrilling and memorable esports fan experience in my life.

Very very true. Personally i won't buy it. I bought so far: NASL Season 1, GSL nearly every season, GSTL, HSC 3/4, IEM, MLG Silver but for me this is to much for an event that i only can view half of it. For 10$ i would have maybe made it. And as someone mentioned we are an international community so killing basicly 95% percent of the european audience is pretty damn ignorant. It is not like the nfl where the audience is basicly all american. And for people outside the western world it is impossible to watch. Yes, mlg is no charity company but i dont think this a good way to adress your audience, espacially after the silver pass stuff and now basicly screwing all gold members over.

GrildCheesus

Canada4 Posts

February 14 2012 17:32 GMT

#2608

Although the definitely need a way to make these tournaments more sustainable financially this is likely not the answer. But we will see.

ReaperX

Hong Kong1758 Posts

February 14 2012 17:32 GMT

#2609

On February 15 2012 02:27 Linwelin wrote:

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As far as i know, his Stride gum sponsorship "expired" last year

Yep, and Slasher is not part of MLG anymore.

Underkoffer

Netherlands53 Posts

February 14 2012 17:32 GMT

#2610

This is not the way for E-sports to grow, sure you can maybe make more fancy tournaments and such, but less people will actually experience them. Offering more to less people is a step backwards if you ask me. E-sports grows from people telling their friends about awesome games they've seen, however if there's nothing you've seen... Some people either can't pay for it or don't want to because the money can be spend 'better' somethign else.

Havik_

United States5585 Posts

February 14 2012 17:33 GMT

#2611

On February 15 2012 02:27 Robonord wrote:

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I mean why stop there? Stay an extra hour at work, clean the shit infested bathroom for that extra $20, give another 5 bjs on the corner, THIS IS FOR ESPORTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL. Epic! haha

Lasbike

France2888 Posts

February 14 2012 17:33 GMT

#2612

I think I'll pay if I stay at home saturday night. A normal night in a club/bar would cost the same (or (way) more), so...

I hope the 20$ will be converted to euros though, and that it will not cost 20€

Atlas247

Canada318 Posts

February 14 2012 17:34 GMT

#2613

I can't pay for this, and I wouldn't pay even if I could. No idea why this isn't part of the Pro Circuit, or that there isn't even some kind of deal for gold or silver subscribers.

wunsun

Canada622 Posts

February 14 2012 17:34 GMT

#2614

On February 15 2012 02:07 quantumslip wrote:

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Geez guys, why do people keep buying into the bs that there are going to be commercials? Let's look at a quick example here:

http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/46/events/halftime-show

Now this year's superbowl halftime show was sponsoed by Bridgestone. However, did this mean that they spammed commercials during the half time show? No they didnt! Yes they had commercials before/after the show, but here's the key thing: they did not play commercials in the middle of content.

If nothing is going on, there's nothing wrong with displaying logos and such. If they start playing an actual commercial, yea I would agree that shouldn't be part of the PPV experience. But you guys make it sound like you want MLG to have no advertising period. Are you that stupid?

I don't understand why the half time show is relevant. Isn't the actual Superbowl more valid for a comparison. Which had quite a few commercials.

Anyways, I don't mind them running commercials, but if its going to be PPV, there should be much less commercials throughout the event.

frozenrb

Poland389 Posts

February 14 2012 17:36 GMT

#2615

On February 15 2012 02:34 Atlas247 wrote:
I can't pay for this, and I wouldn't pay even if I could. No idea why this isn't part of the Pro Circuit, or that there isn't even some kind of deal for gold or silver subscribers.

Yea that sux for subscribers...

m4inbrain

1505 Posts

February 14 2012 17:38 GMT

#2616

"Bottom line: we weren’t willing to ask our loyal fans to spend money on a $20 dollar product that we think should’ve cost $10, while also ourselves profiting in the process. And that’s the main reason why we’re not in the referral program. To be honest, we weren’t really thrilled with the details of the program itself either, but that reasoning was secondary to the aforementioned."

Team EG has a new fan.

source

OrganicDoom

United States32 Posts

February 14 2012 17:38 GMT

#2617

!!! WE WERE TRICKED !!!

MLG hyped this tourney. Gave us free online qaulifiers. Then one week before the whole thing goes down they announce this "Experiment".

Hey sc2 fans even though you've been purchasing gold memberships for a month and assumed we would follow the standard buisness model. We're now not going to let you watch the event live unless you give us $20.00. Oh by the way, as long as you stop following SC2 for a week you may be able to enjoy the vods spoiler free.

I'm shocked MLG donned the cloak and dagger and stuck it to loyal fans. They should man up and postpone this experiment until the next arena, when it can be fully transparent.

On top of all that, this may be violating a Blizzard limitations policy.

http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/videopolicy.html

Limitation of Usage
Neither you nor the operator of any website where your Production(s) may be viewed can force a viewer to pay a "fee" to be able to view your Production(s).

shell

Portugal2722 Posts

February 14 2012 17:39 GMT

#2618

"And the Dr Pepper MLG Ultimate Access Stream (more info on this soon) will be free to all, without an Arena pass, all weekend long"

I kinda missed this in my first read of the OP.

Seems like there is going to be a free stream.

SkelA

Macedonia13017 Posts

February 14 2012 17:40 GMT

#2619

This is the reason ( one of many ) why SC2 will eventualy fail. At the same time you see games like LoL getting really popular.... I wonder why ??

Zraf

54 Posts

February 14 2012 17:40 GMT

#2620

On February 15 2012 02:38 OrganicDoom wrote:
!!! WE WERE TRICKED !!!

MLG hyped this tourney. Gave us free online qaulifiers. Then one week before the whole thing goes down they announce this "Experiment".

Hey sc2 fans even though you've been purchasing gold memberships for a month and assumed we would follow the standard buisness model. We're now not going to let you watch the event live unless you give us $20.00. Oh by the way, as long as you stop following SC2 for a week you may be able to enjoy the vods spoiler free.

I'm shocked MLG donned the cloak and dagger and stuck it to loyal fans. They should man up and postpone this experiment until the next arena, when it can be fully transparent.

On top of all that, this may be violating a Blizzard limitations policy.

http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/videopolicy.html

Limitation of Usage
Neither you nor the operator of any website where your Production(s) may be viewed can force a viewer to pay a "fee" to be able to view your Production(s).

Sundance has already tweeted that it does not apply, no explanation why tho.

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