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Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
February 14 2012 17:56 GMT
#2641
So many broke nerds it’s disgusting. Some of you should get jobs and contribute instead of being spoiled consumers. Honestly, it's like a bunch of poor children crying about wanting free shit. You should all be ashamed of yourselves, and if you're over 18, you should be EMBARRESED. These people put on a show for us to enjoy, and you want them to constantly do it for FREE? I don't think anyone here really understands how business work....

Hudson Valley Progamer
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
February 14 2012 17:56 GMT
#2642
Way to turn every single gold member you have against you, MLG.

What a business plan.
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
February 14 2012 17:56 GMT
#2643
@Sundance:
I respect you a lot, the work that you must have put into the past MLGs after the one event we better don´t talk about is simply outstanding and I am sure that there´s lots of SC2 fans who give you the highest credit for the well deserved success and I sure hope that you continue that route. Hard work, determination along with a good attitude and good sportsmanship should always be rewarded.

However, I cannot understand how you guys came up with 20$. And this is "only" the arena. Not even including the big event. If you asked that much for both I would seriously reconsider, but I won´t pay 20$ just for the Arena. And I usually pay for all the good events, because I want to support esports.
Batch
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden692 Posts
February 14 2012 17:57 GMT
#2644
You got my support MLG. This is the next natural step if we want esports to grow.

I understand young gamers get disappointed with news like this, but there is still plenty of free streams out there and you could go together a few friends and pay ~$4 each.
Vidomin
Profile Joined February 2012
Bulgaria1 Post
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 17:58:44
February 14 2012 17:58 GMT
#2645
MLG or Assembly+ 2 beer crates.... I think the choice is preeetty obvious
blae000
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1640 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 18:02:46
February 14 2012 17:59 GMT
#2646
e; nvm!

But I dont agree >o<
Liquid
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 17:59:35
February 14 2012 17:59 GMT
#2647
On February 15 2012 02:56 Klipsys wrote:
So many broke nerds it’s disgusting. Some of you should get jobs and contribute instead of being spoiled consumers. Honestly, it's like a bunch of poor children crying about wanting free shit. You should all be ashamed of yourselves, and if you're over 18, you should be EMBARRESED. These people put on a show for us to enjoy, and you want them to constantly do it for FREE? I don't think anyone here really understands how business work....




DUDE! It's not about 20 bucks but, BUT, 20 bucks compared to other products of the kind (GSL).

And since when I have to be embarrassed because I don't buy products from X company? WTF?


And all of you please stop with the nonsense that MLG doesn't make money already. They are always growing. You can't grow without profit.

Mess with the best, die like the rest.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
February 14 2012 17:59 GMT
#2648
On February 15 2012 02:56 Klipsys wrote:
So many broke nerds it’s disgusting. Some of you should get jobs and contribute instead of being spoiled consumers. Honestly, it's like a bunch of poor children crying about wanting free shit. You should all be ashamed of yourselves, and if you're over 18, you should be EMBARRESED. These people put on a show for us to enjoy, and you want them to constantly do it for FREE? I don't think anyone here really understands how business work....



I fail to see why I should feel embarrassed. And the majority here would pay it for 10$.
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
m4inbrain
Profile Joined November 2011
1505 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 18:01:32
February 14 2012 18:00 GMT
#2649
On February 15 2012 02:56 Klipsys wrote:
So many broke nerds it’s disgusting. Some of you should get jobs and contribute instead of being spoiled consumers. Honestly, it's like a bunch of poor children crying about wanting free shit. You should all be ashamed of yourselves, and if you're over 18, you should be EMBARRESED. These people put on a show for us to enjoy, and you want them to constantly do it for FREE? I don't think anyone here really understands how business work....



You know that even Team EG is saying that these prices are stupid, right? Do they also not know how business works?

Btw, as a US-citizen, you should feel embarrassed.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
February 14 2012 18:01 GMT
#2650
On February 15 2012 02:56 Klipsys wrote:
So many broke nerds it’s disgusting. Some of you should get jobs and contribute instead of being spoiled consumers. Honestly, it's like a bunch of poor children crying about wanting free shit. You should all be ashamed of yourselves, and if you're over 18, you should be EMBARRESED. These people put on a show for us to enjoy, and you want them to constantly do it for FREE? I don't think anyone here really understands how business work....


I have 1 word for you.
Competition.
Look it up in a dictionary and find out what it means and think about it...
Pokemonxoxo
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States217 Posts
February 14 2012 18:01 GMT
#2651
I don't see how this is going well. I forsee some people streaming MLG on their streams just to protest MLG and to give others free streams to watch regardless...
Within and Without
Betelgeuse
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada210 Posts
February 14 2012 18:01 GMT
#2652
On February 15 2012 02:48 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 02:41 Betelgeuse wrote:
On February 15 2012 02:15 TechSc2 wrote:
Okay some points here:

1. MLG will loose at least 40% off their viewers, meaning 40% less exposure for their sponsors
2. MLG will loose 40% off their ad revenue from their viewers
3. People don't get a choice here, thus they won't pay ( nature of human to rebel if not given a choice )
4. People don't want to pay for stuff they don't use. All the extra's that they provide is fine for a premium account
5. There are other tournaments / season based events going on for less ( or no ) money with higher production value and less disturbance in the viewing ( MLG streams crashed on every event, or are VERY laggy for not acceptable amount of times )

So all in all they will fail in this attempt to make a service from free, into a paid service with too much crap most people don't care about. If they would provide a medium quality stream with VODS right after the matches are played, for lets say $5 then a premium account with ALL those extra's for $20, EVERYONE would be happy.

Monetizing a business is perfectly fine, but their marketing department has their heads up their asses for only looking at this:

Oh last time we had 13K viewers on average, so $20 times 13K is 260K which means we cover all expenses and have enough money left over from sponsorships, so lets do that. Also newcomers in watching SC2 events will NEVER watch MLG because it's $20 to try out if you like it or not.

For people that say that you also have PPV movies etc, it's $5 for a BLOCKBUSTER movie WHENEVER YOU WANT TO SEE IT. also there are subscriptions that have unlimited movies for a certain amount of money, for example i pay €10 a month to have the ability to watch 30 movies including the new ones. So 30x2 hours is 60 hours of content for about $13 and here i pay $20 for 20 hours of games, and i'm a protoss player, so i have NO interest in watching TvT, ZvZ, TvZ, which cuts out AT LEAST 50% off the games.

so good luck MLG, i won't be watching anything or supporting you in any regard untill you come to your senses and at least make a pure medium quality+VOD membership for a small fee.

Assembly, ROG here i come


You can't say that MLG will loss 40% of its viewership; It could be less it could be more, who knows maybe there will be an increase (which is entirely possible if people are willing to back the idea).

I think you miss MLG's point on doing this. It isn't about MLG breaking even and assuming they can profit X amount. Sundance has always made it clear that he's trying to grow MLG and eSports into a competivite market and moves like PPV are things that can take our sport to the next level. MLG has put more money into the community then it has taken out and doing that isn't a stable model. I high doubt the marketing department looked at the numbers like you did.

Your point on people rebelling and not paying for it doesn't really work because there is a choice. You either choose to pay or you don't; it is not rebellion to not pay. That's like saying you are rebelling when you choose NOT to buy food/go out for dinner. It's simply a matter of whether or not you think the content is work the $20 and are willing to buy it.

Last thing is your point on PPV and $5 blockbuster movies doesn't work either. MLG is offering all VODs to everyone for free a week after. A blockbuster movie on PPV is equivalent to getting your VOD's (though MLG is clearly better because it is free). The $20 is for the experience of the MLG weekend which is like the experience of going to a theater to see a show. Sure you could wait till you can get it cheaper but you loss out on the enviroment and feel that comes with a live event.

Like I said the main point here is whether or not you think an MLG weekend is worth $20 and I think thats the only good argument to have. I for one do think its worth it and will enjoy spending $20 on somthing I love to watch. If you don't agree then don't buy it and let MLG know why; don't just go with a kneejerk response and shit all over a tournement for trying somthing new.


There is no way they're going to get more viewers. In fact, the guy was being generous. They could break even, but if you look at their expenses. Many things don't make sense. The biggest one being flying down all 32 players when you aren't getting full value for them.

It's bogus.


If there was a big enough push from the community to pay it there is no reason why it couldn't increase. My point is theres no way to know what will happen.

But I am optimistic. I for one am getting a barcraft together at my school to help cut the cost and get as many of my friends to check it out as I can. I really want this idea to succesed and I think it will benifical in the long run. Also, this is great for barcrafts. For MLG instead of getting revenue from 1 stream with 100 people watching (in the case of some of the larger barcrafts) they get $20 which is more accurate to what is going on. It's also great for the viewer who gets to cut costs and experience starcraft with others which I think is an amazing feeling.


Through victory, my chains are broken.
Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
February 14 2012 18:01 GMT
#2653
The UFC makes money off PPV because it's the best show in the world. Orginizations like Strikeforce and Bellator can't charge nearly as much for PPV, Strikeforce even being bought by Zuffa (The company that owns the UFC). Most people in the Sc2 community feel like the GSL is the biggest and the best Sc2 tournament, and are willing to pay due to that. MLG has lower production values, worse players, worse format, worse time between breaks and worse casters, yet they want to charge more money for a shorter period of time than the GSL.

What?
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mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 18:03:02
February 14 2012 18:01 GMT
#2654
On February 15 2012 02:56 Klipsys wrote:
So many broke nerds it’s disgusting. Some of you should get jobs and contribute instead of being spoiled consumers. Honestly, it's like a bunch of poor children crying about wanting free shit. You should all be ashamed of yourselves, and if you're over 18, you should be EMBARRESED. These people put on a show for us to enjoy, and you want them to constantly do it for FREE? I don't think anyone here really understands how business work....



no one asked MLG to put those events on you know, they do it to make money, don't act like MLG have some moral high ground here and are being undermined by the uncompromising "broke nerds", people just don't want to be ripped off/insulted, $20 is ripping people off, especially when you consider that a lot of that money is going to shipping korean gamers over when imo their teams should front that cost
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
February 14 2012 18:01 GMT
#2655
I can't fathom the immatureness of this community

I hate doing this, but some of you need to grow the fuck up and move out of the basement. There literally isn't anything in this world that you just get for free. 3 years ago MLG didn’t even have starcraft, and now they practically exists because of it. Now they want to make some money for all of this effort, you know, like the REST OF THE GOD DAMN WORLD DOES, and you people are crying like little girls

It's DISGUSTING. GROW UP AND GET A JOB IF YOU WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN ADULT ACTIVTITES



User was temp banned for this post.
Hudson Valley Progamer
m4inbrain
Profile Joined November 2011
1505 Posts
February 14 2012 18:03 GMT
#2656
On February 15 2012 03:01 Klipsys wrote:
I can't fathom the immatureness of this community

I hate doing this, but some of you need to grow the fuck up and move out of the basement. There literally isn't anything in this world that you just get for free. 3 years ago MLG didn’t even have starcraft, and now they practically exists because of it. Now they want to make some money for all of this effort, you know, like the REST OF THE GOD DAMN WORLD DOES, and you people are crying like little girls

It's DISGUSTING. GROW UP AND GET A JOB IF YOU WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN ADULT ACTIVTITES



For the third time, its the price, not that it isnt for free. Do you get that, or are you really not able to simply read?
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
February 14 2012 18:03 GMT
#2657
On February 15 2012 03:01 mememolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 02:56 Klipsys wrote:
So many broke nerds it’s disgusting. Some of you should get jobs and contribute instead of being spoiled consumers. Honestly, it's like a bunch of poor children crying about wanting free shit. You should all be ashamed of yourselves, and if you're over 18, you should be EMBARRESED. These people put on a show for us to enjoy, and you want them to constantly do it for FREE? I don't think anyone here really understands how business work....



no one asked MLG to put those events on you know, they do it to make money, don't act like MLG have some moral high ground here and are being undermined by the uncompromising "broke nerds", people just don't want to be ripped off/insulted, $20 is ripping people off


Are you new to planet earth? Are you seriously OFFENDED (LOL?) that they're charging money for this? Do you honestly believe everything esports should be free? How do you expect these people to feed their families? You're delusional if you think they should make everything free for everyone.
Hudson Valley Progamer
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
February 14 2012 18:05 GMT
#2658
On February 15 2012 03:03 Klipsys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 03:01 mememolly wrote:
On February 15 2012 02:56 Klipsys wrote:
So many broke nerds it’s disgusting. Some of you should get jobs and contribute instead of being spoiled consumers. Honestly, it's like a bunch of poor children crying about wanting free shit. You should all be ashamed of yourselves, and if you're over 18, you should be EMBARRESED. These people put on a show for us to enjoy, and you want them to constantly do it for FREE? I don't think anyone here really understands how business work....



no one asked MLG to put those events on you know, they do it to make money, don't act like MLG have some moral high ground here and are being undermined by the uncompromising "broke nerds", people just don't want to be ripped off/insulted, $20 is ripping people off


Are you new to planet earth? Are you seriously OFFENDED (LOL?) that they're charging money for this? Do you honestly believe everything esports should be free? How do you expect these people to feed their families? You're delusional if you think they should make everything free for everyone.


where in my post did i say that they should do it for free? I said $20 is ripping people off, easy on the capslock bro
Lordanubis
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom198 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 18:06:42
February 14 2012 18:06 GMT
#2659
Disappointed. I won't be paying for this, and will find other events to watch instead.

I also have to agree with others who have commentated that $20 is WAY too high for what they're offering. A lower price wouldn't make me buy it personally, so I suppose my opinion means less on the matter, but that figure really smells like a rip off to me.

Didn't they just cut the number of major tournaments they're putting on during the year too - in favour of these Arenas? I was all excited for this years' MLG after Providence, but so far it seems every new announcement they make disappoints me a little more. Shame.
"Hell hath no fury like a Shattered Star" - The Shattered Star
zomgE
Profile Joined January 2012
498 Posts
February 14 2012 18:06 GMT
#2660
On February 15 2012 03:01 Klipsys wrote:
I can't fathom the immatureness of this community

I hate doing this, but some of you need to grow the fuck up and move out of the basement. There literally isn't anything in this world that you just get for free. 3 years ago MLG didn’t even have starcraft, and now they practically exists because of it. Now they want to make some money for all of this effort, you know, like the REST OF THE GOD DAMN WORLD DOES, and you people are crying like little girls

It's DISGUSTING. GROW UP AND GET A JOB IF YOU WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN ADULT ACTIVTITES


widen your perspective kid.
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