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Please DISCUSS the changes and the impact they will have on gameplay. Straight up whining and bitching will get you a ban, no exceptions. | ||
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Bobgrimly
New Zealand250 Posts
Now though instead of sniping the broodlords and auto winning you just switch target to the infestors guarding them and SNIPE THE INFESTOR. Now the broodlords have no protection and one viking can beat 50 broodlords (just might take a while) Seriously anyone qqing about this change is just upset that they can't mass one unit to win. Oh no. Scanning is so hard. | ||
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quen
201 Posts
One of the very few times I've ever agreed with a Blizzard patch since the days of BW. | ||
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TT1
Canada10012 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:22 Gimix wrote: You're really knowledgable on Terran lategame for someone who plays toss  i dl reps(less of this ofc, i only dl reps of famous players) and watch vods of every mu : D | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:20 mTwTT1 wrote: range is irrelevant vs bl's cus they cant run away, ive seen korean t's integrate ravens w/ ss while going mech and bio, i think the problem is just that koreans are ahead in the metagame atm obviously ghosts wont work as well vs bl's in the lategame anymore and if foreign t's cant adapt themselves to new styles then glhf going mass marines vs bl's I think range was referring to "how close ravens have to get close" instead of "how far a hunter seeker missile reaches". Low range in the first meaning, means that a lot of ravens die in the encounter. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:22 zhurai wrote: he left it out but really also ht's are affected by it too, idk if it'll take one less shot to kill those though. No. High temps have 40 hp, 40 shields. (25 + 25) x2 = 100, (25 + 20) x2 = 90, both would 2 shot kill. | ||
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kcbgoku
Poland156 Posts
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shizna
United Kingdom803 Posts
vikings attempting to kill upgraded broodlords with queens healing them... not gonna happen i'm afraid. snipe was silly before, but it was necessary because zerg has braindead spammy lategame units that completely obliterate you unless you have a hard counter. i can't wait to see what happens though. two possibilities: 1) terran is now just as awful in lategame TvZ as they are in TvP... therefore blizzard can do something to address both problems 2) terran players figure out a new way to play that is more effective than braindead ghost spam | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:22 zhurai wrote: he left it out but really also ht's are affected by it too, idk if it'll take one less shot to kill those though. Nah it'll still take 2 shots, they have 40/40 hp/shield | ||
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NeWeNiyaLord
Norway2474 Posts
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Merany
France890 Posts
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:19 ScareCrow` wrote: Snipe change is way too drastic and becomes useless for anything that isn't a templar or an infestor. No more timing attacks or uses for things like marines, or general smaller units. Really sad to see the unit beaten down every patch to the point where it fills such a niche role while constantly shifting the meta-game through "fixes" rather than just letting it play out. it's better than having it be a swiss army knife mega unit. i like the change. it makes the unit what it was intended to be. | ||
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
t.t | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
Can't wait O_O I do however feel that 30 (+20 psionic) would be a bit better though... | ||
Adebisi
Canada1637 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:25 mTwTT1 wrote: i dl reps(less of this ofc, i only dl reps of famous players) and watch vods of every mu : D Zerg spreads out broodlords, broodlords don't die, Terran now has a bunch of 200 gas observers that aren't invisible... Whuch korean Terrans do you see integrating Ravens? I watch like.... all the Korean games available publicly and have never seen this kind of play outside of humiliation tactics. | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:24 Bobgrimly wrote: I really don't get all the terrans in this thread... Wah snipe is nerfed I can't play against zerg because my vikings will be fungaled..... That is singularly the most retarded statement EVER. Snipe is still as it was against infestors. (IT STILL DOES 45 DAMAGE TO INFESTORS) Now though instead of sniping the broodlords and auto winning you just switch target to the infestors guarding them and SNIPE THE INFESTOR. Now the broodlords have no protection and one viking can beat 50 broodlords (just might take a while) Seriously anyone qqing about this change is just upset that they can't mass one unit to win. Oh no. Scanning is so hard. You will be eaten alive, because you don't know what you are talking about and you write like you ate all wisdom there is in sc2.. | ||
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blackberry_
114 Posts
EDIT: I agree with the the person below me. Shakuras Plateau is the only map where a Terran can actually get away with massing ghosts because of how easy it is to split the map. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:28 Chill wrote:I think the Snipe change needs to be reconsidered. Snipe in TvZ is an all-or-nothing choice. In late game Shakuras Plateau, you're either going to see 3 Ghosts for EMP on Infestors, or 20 Ghosts to crush Broodlord / Ultralisk armies. It's rarely in between. While I think Ghosts are a little too good at countering late game Zerg, I don't think Zergs were trying all the options yet to punish Terrans that play for this late game style. Ghosts are still slow and vulnerable. What this change does is eliminate the 20+ Ghost-using-Snipe option. In my eyes, you shouldn't see more than 5 Ghosts on the field in TvZ now for key EMPs and nukes. Their Snipe damage is simply too low now. Maybe that's what Blizzard wanted, but I think there is a better medium where massing Ghosts for Snipe is still viable and good, but not as good. Maybe 25 + 25 psionic is that point? I don't think so, but we'll see. You know what's the problem here ? Shakuras fucking plateau. Not snipe. Mass ghost games are shakuras plateau games like 9 times to 10. | ||
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
Seems like I might chance back to my BW race with this rate... | ||
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acrimoneyius
United States983 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:20 ReignFayth wrote: for what it's worth you can snipe queens though, queens are psionic I think it will be okay on big maps. Queens still need creep. On smaller maps, you can almost over prepare with vikings + ghost cause you're not as concerned about ultralisks with smaller chokes. They def need to look back into HSM and make more adjustments. The range makes them feel like scourge...sacrificial kamikaze's. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
The pheonix range upgrade seems sort of irrelevent to me considering that it would require a fleet beacon and considering that it seems like top protoss' have gotten really good at PvZ lately according to what everyone is saying. I do not like the snipe change purely because ghost was needed to make the tech switches less brutal. I could potentially see a ultra to broodlord or broodlord to ultra techswitch (which takes far less time for zerg to mass up then for terran) becoming a bit of a problem. I still think that teching down is the perfect solution to MVP's ghost turtle build and I actually havnt seen anyone else even try that build. | ||
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