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TT1
Canada10012 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:58 Empire.Beastyqt wrote: dude just do what ppl tell me to do, l2p.. raven + seeker missible is pretty good vs bl's as far as ive seen, just because u never play a certain style that doesnt mean u dont have any viable options available | ||
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NeilSC
114 Posts
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Tulkas25
Greece292 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:59 CptCutter wrote: well hopefully patch 1.4.4 with the broodlord nerf/snipe rebuff/viking buff wont be too far behind when they realise that zergs can go broodlords without any problems since vikings cannot counter them due to corruptor/infestor, marines cant get close enough and die super quickly to infestor/baneling and ghosts now take an unbelievable amount of shots to kill them. also ultralisks will be 10x better now. Pl also tend to forget the buff to the ultralisk building time.This made Infestor Ultra "timings"wayyyy more effective imo and tech switches far harder to fight. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26224 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:00 statikg wrote: Are you fing kidding me? So because the majoirty of the ladder is zerg since all they have to do is camp until tier 3 and then tech switch for the win, lets make it just completely impossible to beat. Thanks blizzard way to be completely out of touch with reality. Not really Blizzard's fault, Zerg QQ is pretty much at a level consistent with at any time in release, despite them stomping Protoss more and more as the months go by, and just having overtaken Terran (according the most recent TLPD thread anyway). I mean if Blizzard ever patch on community feedback alone... Zerg will be fearsome! | ||
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WonkySpecs
United Kingdom13 Posts
The phoenix change is interesting, but I'm not sure how big a difference it will make-mutas can still be produced so much quicker and a few corruptors will still destroy phoenixes Snipe change is good, but maybe a bit over the top I actually really like the gold base solution; the main reason for there removal from GSL was that they are unbalanced towards terran, but if that advantage is removed then gold bases could just become another interesting feature for map makers to use | ||
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ReturnStroke
United States801 Posts
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:43 Slomo wrote: I guess terrans will do a nosedive for a month or two and come back with new stuff and balance will be fine again. Just like Zergs and Protoss did serveral times in the past. When have zergs/protoss ever gotten a nerf that made them "nosedive" and then come back with new stuff? As far as I can tell the patching process has been really generous for them. Its pretty disheartening to see terran nerfed in the lategame where they are already at their weakest. Its not even a slight damage nerf, it makes the ghost-based lategame completely unplayable, and it was probably the best way to play lategame TvZ in the current patch. I guess Blizzard isn't happy until less than 1/3 of GSL are terrans, no matter how much better players they actually are. | ||
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Grebliv
Iceland800 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:56 turdburgler wrote: he's on ogs, must be better than a guy who he baaareeelly beat in one of the second guys only televised games. get off that korean dick well he did also mention the zerg retreating his whole army against 8 marines... that being said i didn't watch the game. | ||
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werynais
Germany1780 Posts
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:51 Chill wrote: Yea. I agree after the patch Ghosts are basically worthless above 5. Come to think about it, it's actually a good thing, IMO. Mass Ghosts was not very fun to play or observe, just like bk in the day with HT and KA. Though the question is what will Terran do in late game TvZ where FG can counter both Vikings and bio?! Agree with the MULE nerf. | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
As for snipe. GG. Now It's going to be used like it was in beta (never). snipe vs. muta... drones.. etc. Ghosts are just going to EMP and Nuke. They took the usefulness out of it in my opinion. I'd rather have 4 marines and 100 gas to boot. | ||
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bovineblitz
United States314 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:58 FatkiddsLag wrote: I've felt like this from the beginning. All the balance patches seem to be balancing the game around Protoss. You mean Terran. | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:57 ShatterZer0 wrote: 4 gate phoenix is going to be horrible... but it won't change a thing in PvT or PvZ I don't think... 6 range phoenix still have to run away unless in similar or higher numbers... MULE fix is awesome. APM/CPM change is also awesome. Snipe change is overbearing and pointless... why does blizzard think a 50 energy to kill a caster snipe is better than a 75 energy drain/splash snipe? They should have just made snipe have a longer than .5 second cooldown so that it took multiple volleys of snipe to kill heavy units... EDIT: This is assuming graviton beam still has a range of 4. If Grav beam has a range of 6 then EVERYTHING CHANGES <3 You need to research it in fleet beacon, which is an expensive ass building (aka fusion core of protoss) So whait now you mean terran will have 8*10*25 = 2,000 dps 10 full nrj ghost (that can be casted in 1-1.5 sec). its still not bad... | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On February 11 2012 05:02 Wombat_NI wrote: Not really Blizzard's fault, Zerg QQ is pretty much at a level consistent with at any time in release, despite them stomping Protoss more and more as the months go by, and just having overtaken Terran (according the most recent TLPD thread anyway). I mean if Blizzard ever patch on community feedback alone... Zerg will be fearsome! And Protoss players were complaining about being UP when 4 gate was ridiculous and Terran was complaining when 5 rax reaper was basically unbeatable. People rarely ever quiet their QQing, even if their race has a 75%++ win-rate in the match-up, it's just how people are. As for the patch, I don't know... Ghosts were too strong, I'll give them that. But I still think it should've been 35+15 instead. I guess we'll see how this works out though. I have a feeling people will catch on to the Raven's strength if ghosts don't cut it anymore. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:50 Tulkas25 wrote: none of the zerg and protoss comebacks were products of meditation and hardcore training alone.They were all supported by buffs from blizzard.TvZ and broodlord inf composition was still bad for terrans before they started using snipe.If you negate an option or nerf it you need to open a new one.No terran loves to mass ghosts and waiti to spam R believe me.We too would like to have viable late game units that we aim to get instead of waiting to respond to your tech of choice Then Blizzard will buff Terran again. I dont see the Problem. The thing is that Terran took a nosedive some time ago after some big nerfs, but afer a month they ruled everything in GSL again desprite being nerfed all the time. I agree, that mid-level may be much harder than GSL statistics suggest. But I think its impossible for terrans. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
snipe -> seems a bit too harsh? also does more damage against ht's and um...other ghosts? I'd say 30 or 35 and +15 or 20 psionic would be a bit less harsh :S Range upgrade -> not sure. APM -> CPM change: Honestly CPM just reminds me of Cost Per Impression (in 1000 views) in advertising o_o;;, but. Nice change XDD | ||
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MooLen
Germany501 Posts
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