Patch 1.4.3 - Preview Blog - Page 182

On February 13 2012 20:53 fishinguy wrote:
T players will now start doing some other strategy, P and Z will whine more and T will get nerfed again, wait and see.

On February 13 2012 21:57 Snowbear wrote:


I agree with this. Every time terrans find out about something, it gets nerfed. I got the feeling that the raven will be the next nerf target.

On February 13 2012 22:02 jsdk wrote:

The side effect of balancing a complete race with two incomplete ones.

On February 11 2012 09:19 Bagi wrote:

EMP already counters HT's, having 2 abilities do the the same exact thing is kinda redundant don't you think?

On February 13 2012 23:16 UBavarice wrote:

EMP also counter every protoss unit as well as infestors. So there is certainly another use for EMP.

On February 13 2012 22:22 Big J wrote:


so how is Terran complete and the other ones incomplete?

On February 13 2012 23:22 neoghaleon55 wrote:


Because Terran has all options available to them, and early on.
Zerg lacks sieging weapon until late late game
Zerg lacks anti armor until late late game...and the ultralisk sucks in Wings of Liberty
Zerg lacks cheap early game anti air units
Protoss lacks early game splash damage
Protoss lacks harassment options
Protoss lacks good splash for antiair

Seriously, even David Kim and Dustin Browder went over these at Blizzcon.

On February 13 2012 23:22 neoghaleon55 wrote:


Because Terran has all options available to them, and early on.
Zerg lacks sieging weapon until late late game
Zerg lacks anti armor until late late game...and the ultralisk sucks in Wings of Liberty
Zerg lacks cheap early game anti air units
Protoss lacks early game splash damage
Protoss lacks harassment options
Protoss lacks good splash for antiair

Seriously, even David Kim and Dustin Browder went over these at Blizzcon.

On February 13 2012 23:26 s3rp wrote:
And Terran lacks lategame units that aren't just there to counter stuff of the other races and have several super limited units that are useless besides 1 purpose. Not to mention the worst lategame macro mechanics . It's not like Terran is perfect either. The games just rarely got to that point up until now .

On February 13 2012 23:44 Big J wrote:


Terran lacks melee units... all game
Terran lacks early beefy units.
Terran lacks early casters.
Terran lacks mobile versatile units.
Terran lacks versatile production facilities.
Terran lacks cheap nonsupply antiground defense.
Terran lacks versatile unit upgrades.
Terran lacks fast remax options.
Terran lacks fast reinforcement options.
...

Seriously, especially David Kim and Dustin Browder know that the game would be super boring if every race could play the same strategies just with different units.

Phx look so good now it's probably legit to change INTO stargate mid game if you see the muta count getting high.

On February 13 2012 23:49 neoghaleon55 wrote:


Are you seriously complaining that Terran lacks melee?
Range is always better...stop trolling.

Marauder is plenty Beefy

nobody has an offensive caster early game

Hellions are plenty mobile, Marines are plenty mobile and versatile

Planetary is pretty damn cheap for it's firepower, splash damage.

I agree with this, but the problem can be mitigated with more barracks/reactors

.Terrible balance whines.

On February 13 2012 23:58 Big J wrote:


lol, I'm a Zerg, I'm absolutly not gonna complain about Terrans being UP when I talk about them. Just saying that every race has things that they can't do as well as the others/not at all.
But really: melee + range when the units are properly balanced > range, because the melee units have the no range drawback therefore their stats are just better. But that means that as long as you have only as few melee units as you need to have all of them attack, it's usually just a stronger composition.
The unstimmed Marauder is already quite bad in beefiness compared to the cheaper and more beefy roaches/zealots. Argueable even zerglings are beefier per cost.
The sentry is a great offensive caster. chokes between main and natural alone make sentries great offensive units.
Hellions are not versatile, Marines without stim and medivacs not mobile.
Planetary... well, don't want to discuss it. I guess it is not superexpensive, but there is a reason why mass PFs is seen less often than mass spine or canon.

On February 13 2012 17:21 Roblin wrote:


I disagree with the bolded.
the rest is debatable.

lets say the ghosts do get fungaled, that does not mean they die, zerg has no way of denying energy, thus ghosts can always kill (and or emp) the infestors that are in range and avoid being chainfungaled, sure, they will be vulnerable for 4 seconds, but thats all. 4 seconds is a lot, but not so much that zerg easily can take advantage of it.

for example: speedlings, the fastest unit in the game, moves 3 units per second, thus they will need 3 seconds to close the gap of 9 range between the army and only 1 second is left of the ghosts snare, and this is if you instantly send your fastest units the instant you get the oppurtunity to fungal, and by the way, its impossible to know beforehand when you get the oppurtunity to fungal, thus this is practicly impossible.

tl.dr: getting fungaled rarely kills groups of ghosts.

On February 13 2012 23:30 DaemonX wrote:
Terrible, ham-fisted changes to my mind.

ZvT is very balanced at the moment, and if the stats are skewed lategame, they need to make mid game changes to correct this rather than break the matchup.

Also, making ghosts worthless vs bio *and* zeals seems like a really brutal truncation of potential future innovation, as well as affecting team games.

The phoenix change is completely ridiculous. Phoenix were already fantastic units, and Zergs have only JUST learned how to use mutas vs toss, and toss have had no time to learn to adapt. Preemptively buffing the phoenix is literally the worst idea I have ever heard for 'fixng' muta PvZ, which I'm not convinced was an issue without another GSL to see it play out. Phx look so good now it's probably legit to change INTO stargate mid game if you see the muta count getting high.

Also, stargate openers were always strong, now stargate just means zerg is blugeoned out of ever going mutas to begin with, another dampener on innovation. RIP Ling muta which is now is as dead as the reaper, and long live FFE into Stargate - the only opener you will see for a year now. God, what an awful, awful change.

The high yield change is irrelevant, but as flavour it's just more cutting of the interesting cute things that kept terran fresh (like the salvage nerf. Irrelevant, but irritating). But I will say this: the burst of minerals on high-yields never once turned the result of a tournament on its head.

Words can't describe...especially since each of these issues had many more sensible options to address them if blizzard thought about it for 3 seconds. Or read TL.