EPTOn February 11 2012 22:59 MorroW wrote:
your not there yet keep guessing
your not there yet keep guessing
you know how zergs think maybe?
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niladorus
Greece116 Posts
you know how zergs think maybe? | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On February 11 2012 22:39 Bagi wrote: I love the condescending tone. I guess if we terrans now follow the protoss & zerg "mindsets" we should just bitch and moan until we get buffed, am I rite? Yeah, cause not all the statistics got terran nerfed, but all the tear rivers. | ||
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pepsimaxibon
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AcesAnoka
Belgium262 Posts
Why does blizzard always want to buff a unit just to counter a specific strategy? so retarded. This doesn't come from a zerg PoV btw, i'm terran | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
You can't make the argument that because you've got the best early game your race should also have a unit which completely nullfies the T3 of another race in the same way that lawnmowers nullify grass. Balance is always done at the highest level of play, and anybody who saw the infamous MVP/Nestea game and didn't see the issue with ghosts was watching wearing a blindfold. It isn't just that ghosts counter both T3 options the Zerg have, it's that it does so more cheaply and for less supply. Most of the time you can engage without even losing ghosts AND annihilate the entire Zerg army. There's something seriously wrong there. I've always felt Thors are in need of some sort of buff, specifically to 250mm strike cannons. It strikes me as a bad thing when a unit's additional ability is simply not used for any reason. Same for the Raven H/S missile (though that could be just because PDD is so good). Perhaps an upgrade that would change their air missiles to be designed against anti-massive instead of light? That would create a situation where the Zerg could tech switch back into mutas to counter thors, after the thor has been upgraded to counter mutalisks. I know it sound wacky, but it's all about options, right? We don't want the game pidgeonholed into specific game styles for each matchup that will happen every time regardless of player. | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
On February 11 2012 22:03 gh0un wrote: You are biased if anything. A unit that counters both t3 options for zerg with the same spell already sounds imbalanced. On top of that they counter Infestors aswell. Ghosts that are positioned inbetween tanks and a few blue flame helions to roast incoming lings, and you basically have an untouchable army, not only on paper. Ghosts have more range on their snipe than broodlords or infestors, so you actually cant do shit with ranged attacks. Ultras are roasted by tanks and snipes. Roaches are shit against tanks anyways. Hydras are shit against terran overall. Lings get roasted by tanks and blue flame helions. Basically a ghost mech army was just untouchable for current zerg compositions because the ghost negated long range siege attacks (broodlords) or fist to the face im inbetween your tank attacks (ultralisks). Leaves all the other shit zerg has that is countered by tank helion. Blizz did the right thing in nerfing snipe. If terran is set up like you describe, broods open up on the hellions, tank splash kills them, then lings swarm and its over. Yes, ghosts could be used vs broodlords but it was by no stretch an autowin. Also all the calculations around here seem to assume that ghosts spawn from the rax with 200 energy. | ||
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Roynalf
Finland886 Posts
On February 11 2012 23:04 anoka wrote: All these changes seem reasonable except for the phoenix change, with the range upgrade this'll just decimate muta play. Why does blizzard always want to buff a unit just to counter a specific strategy? so retarded. This doesn't come from a zerg PoV btw, i'm terran Retarderded? only thing retarded is phoenix wich should be anti light unit gets countered by mutas wich are light units. Anyway the upgrade requires fleet beacon and it research might be pretty long. This would only help if you opened with stargate any other non stargate opening would still have way too long time before they get nice phoenix count with range upgrade. | ||
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AcesAnoka
Belgium262 Posts
On February 11 2012 23:14 Roynalf wrote: Retarderded? only thing retarded is phoenix wich should be anti light unit gets countered by mutas wich are light units. Anyway the upgrade requires fleet beacon and it research might be pretty long. This would only help if you opened with stargate any other non stargate opening would still have way too long time before they get nice phoenix count with range upgrade. Cant find a VOD but watch incontrol and when he sees muta play he goes double stargate and absolutely rapes muta play | ||
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Doganaws
Italy52 Posts
Marine will cost 100 min. - 50 gas; Marine damage will be 3 + 100 to critters Marine range will be 1,5 STIM will reduce health to 1 straightly Tanks will loose the siege mode and gain the +0.00001 to attack TNX User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
On February 11 2012 23:15 anoka wrote: Cant find a VOD but watch incontrol and when he sees muta play he goes double stargate and absolutely rapes muta play i do like that play by him | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
On February 11 2012 22:59 MorroW wrote: your not there yet keep guessing The bunker rush! | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On February 11 2012 23:15 anoka wrote: Cant find a VOD but watch incontrol and when he sees muta play he goes double stargate and absolutely rapes muta play It's about the level of opponents. In a truly competitive scenario double stargate almost never works because zerg can hunt down phoenixes before their numbers rise to big numbers. Double stargate phoenix is a "reactive" build, which you make to try and counter mutas, which means you will always be behind in the muta v/s phoenix count, probably by a large margin, and enough mutas counter low to mid amount of phoenixes. It's a different story if you go blind double stargate, it goes unscouted and your opponent goes mutas. Then you'll definiely rape them, but this is an extremely uncommon situation. Range 6 phoenixes means that with appropriate micro, phoenixes can actually survive and pepper at mutalisk numbers while the phoenix count rises, making them a plausible counter. It's a good change. Also, mutalisk with infestor support completely destroys phoenixes, that battle is as one-sided as it gets. | ||
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KimJongIlJr
Korea (North)61 Posts
Why punish someone like Boxer who made the BFH envogue for a while. Quit punishing races for thinking outside the box, fix the other races instead. | ||
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Quintum_
United States669 Posts
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
On February 11 2012 10:36 Bagi wrote: Its just for MLG providence I think, somehow added up the win rates and game times and it showed terran getting most of their wins in the early game with pretty bad winrates in 20min+ games. Isn't this common knowledge by now though? I think every terran would rather fight muta/ling/bling instead of a hive zerg, that's just how the match-up has always been. Terran weakness in the late game is a myth. It simply takes longer for a slightly better zerg to beat a terran than it takes a slightly better Terran to beat a zerg. I'm not saying it's harder or easier, just that it takes longer to overcome a Terran's defensive advantage. | ||
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ActionpointTV
60 Posts
On February 11 2012 22:48 MorroW wrote: i wonder if i will ever lose a zvt lategame again :DDD but i will still win tvz lategame, why, because know something many terrans in this thread dont can you try to guess what it is? sidenote: protoss change is stupid. im thinking about going 5 mutalisk and then stopping make muta and deny scout for 5 minute and hope they get a big boner in excitement for massing up 20 phoenixes with range upgrade, little do they know i stopped making mutas :D i like the apm change Could it possibly be connected with mech? | ||
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On February 11 2012 23:40 pred470r wrote: Interesting changes, I can't wait to see if someone will actually get the phoenix upgrade in a pro-match. I am more excited about what they are going to name the upgrade | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On February 11 2012 23:37 Quintum_ wrote: Where is the bunker nerfs, every patch has to have bunker nerfs in it or it does not feel right. Next patch our bunkers can accumulate interests =P 75% + 1% for every minute that passes. | ||
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pepsimaxibon
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