EPTLike someone else said though, this is pretty much HotS not releasing this year, I highly doubt they've actually decided the final direction for the races, wouldn't be surprised to see something completely different next demo. Still, props to Blizz, their changes for this season are all pretty good so far, I'm impressed.
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
Like someone else said though, this is pretty much HotS not releasing this year, I highly doubt they've actually decided the final direction for the races, wouldn't be surprised to see something completely different next demo. Still, props to Blizz, their changes for this season are all pretty good so far, I'm impressed. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On February 11 2012 22:36 ceaRshaf wrote: I am happy with all the changes. The snipe nerf is the final terran nerf I think. I hope the game will show balanced results in the next months to come. Terrans need to think a little about their race and create a different mindset. Things need to change or the mighty terrans will get behind. I love the condescending tone. I guess if we terrans now follow the protoss & zerg "mindsets" we should just bitch and moan until we get buffed, am I rite? | ||
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Consummate
Australia191 Posts
IMMVP v FXO_Lucky back in January for the perfect example of how ridiculously strong that zerg unit composition is vs Terran. I am not saying that because Lucky beat MVP in one of those games is why it is OP, I am just saying that it is just OP in theory and in practice. Snipe is what was NEEDED to beat it, mass vikings aren't feasible vs corruptors and infestors as shown in those games. | ||
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nicotn
Netherlands186 Posts
On February 11 2012 21:19 PureBalls wrote: Even if not, Archons have so much HP, that using snipe instead of EMP seems irrational energy wise. Snipe is only targetable on biological units, arcons are psionic. | ||
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
On February 11 2012 22:41 nicotn wrote: Snipe is only targetable on biological units, arcons are psionic. "Even if not" | ||
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ToastieNL
Netherlands845 Posts
On February 11 2012 21:26 Cirqueenflex wrote: exactly what i thought. Take 5 zerg vs 2 base terran as an example, and zerg still cannot win until they get a ton of brood lords. Imagine terran could only kill zerg when they get 4-6 bases and mass battlecruiser. That's the usual scenario for zergs to win vs turtling terran. Hilarious, that any kind of statistic gets waved away with 'but it was won before', 'one tournament doesn't count'. It's easy for P and Z to scream, they sometimes have to MICRO! Wtf. Poor P/Z. Micro!? Like, click F, aim, click again, aim, click another time, aim, select army, a, click. Zerg; select some units, click on the right. select some units, click on the left. select all, a, click. lol Has any Z/P EVER played vs their own race with Terran? You know what is happening; Blizzard has been nerfing Terrans rushes for about one and half a year now. Terran is the strongest race in early to mid- game, but because of strategie, build order and a lot of nerfs, Protoss and Zerg can hold most of those attacks off. Now comes the fun part. You know what happens after early to mid game? lategame. LOL. Terran has no lategame, just an extended midgame army because both BC and Thor get RAPED by things of lower supply, build time, cost, tech and production facilities. TERRAN T3 IS OUTCLASSED IN EVERY SINGLE WAY. That's why Terran doesn't like late game. So, early game was OP for Terran. got nerfed, now Terran early- game is about equal with the other races. However; lategame is SHIT. And now it is even more SHIT! Terran lategame revolves around scouting tech switches from the opponent and adapting. That is why Terran is terrible against Toss and Zerg late-game, the tech switches are to slow and too small. Now, the situation vs Zerg was reasonable by using Ghost as a buffer, they weren't the be all, end all of all Zerg T3, at least, with proper overseer/spore usage, but allowed for Terran to buy time to switch tech around. That just got killed, so like in TvP, Terran is doomed too: Hope they guess right and get Vikings vs Brood Lord. If they guess wrong; GG """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Marauders vs Ultralisk"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" GG Just like the same mechanism with Viking/Collosi and Ghost/Zealot Archon. Which is boring and poor gamedesign because it relies on Terran being lucky with a scout/prediction and not on P/Z outplaying Terran. Racial imbalance. IMBALANCE. Lategame is shit. thrashed. Time to practice those 2 base all- ins again. One good points; I have only 2 matchups to practice left, TvT is soooo rare! User was warned for this post | ||
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optical630
United Kingdom768 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On February 11 2012 22:45 optical630 wrote: everyone forgets how slow broodlord infestor is, leaves zerg open for a lot of drop harass >_> Lingfestor into broodlords, you'll have plenty of banes/lings to deal with drops. The great thing about BL/infestor is that you dont need 140 supply of it to be effective, with proper control much smaller numbers can break a terrans defense. | ||
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KAmaKAsa
Finland210 Posts
The phoenix change is OK... stops zerg from going mass mass mass muta... like 30+ which can be hard to deal with in alot of maps The snipe change... is pretty bad now terran will just kind of have to outmicro the bl/corrupter/infestor army with ghost/thor/viking/marine since ghost isnt that viable of a counter against broodlords anymore but you still need to deal with the infestors, which on the plus side you can now 2 shot with snipes  .It takes 5 snipes now to kill a broodlord... with the change it will take 9 snipes to kill a broodlord so you would need 225 energy to kill one broodlord... which is alot and also the scroll sniping trick is cheating because you need a 3rd party program to use it. The change might be good, but it will make tvz late game much harder and you would need to use raven/viking/thor and some ground army and ghosts against a broodlord/corrupter infestor composition. and try to pdd/hunterseeker missile and do splash damage with thors while kiting the corrupters and eventually killing off the corrupters so you have your vikings to left to deal with the broodlords while you try to cleanup the infestors and the rest of the ground army then again your going to have a weaker ground army because of the vikings and ravens but guess you can just add a few banshees to sort out that problem | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
but i will still win tvz lategame, why, because know something many terrans in this thread dont can you try to guess what it is? sidenote: protoss change is stupid. im thinking about going 5 mutalisk and then stopping make muta and deny scout for 5 minute and hope they get a big boner in excitement for massing up 20 phoenixes with range upgrade, little do they know i stopped making mutas :D i like the apm change | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On February 11 2012 22:30 bashalisk wrote: Blizzard does. One would hope that after all this time, players would've got the point but gawd you guys are stubborn. And that is horrible. They should not tell us how to use every unit and change it around so you only can use it like they want us to use it. How is this is even fun? It's like "Here is your stuff, this unit does this thing and that unit's purpose is to counter XXX unit. Now play!" And if someone finds out a way to use a unit in a different way than Blizzard had in mind, they change that so you can't. | ||
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KAmaKAsa
Finland210 Posts
On February 11 2012 22:43 ToastieNL wrote: Hilarious, that any kind of statistic gets waved away with 'but it was won before', 'one tournament doesn't count'. It's easy for P and Z to scream, they sometimes have to MICRO! Wtf. Poor P/Z. Micro!? Like, click F, aim, click again, aim, click another time, aim, select army, a, click. Zerg; select some units, click on the right. select some units, click on the left. select all, a, click. lol Has any Z/P EVER played vs their own race with Terran? You know what is happening; Blizzard has been nerfing Terrans rushes for about one and half a year now. Terran is the strongest race in early to mid- game, but because of strategie, build order and a lot of nerfs, Protoss and Zerg can hold most of those attacks off. Now comes the fun part. You know what happens after early to mid game? lategame. LOL. Terran has no lategame, just an extended midgame army because both BC and Thor get RAPED by things of lower supply, build time, cost, tech and production facilities. TERRAN T3 IS OUTCLASSED IN EVERY SINGLE WAY. That's why Terran doesn't like late game. So, early game was OP for Terran. got nerfed, now Terran early- game is about equal with the other races. However; lategame is SHIT. And now it is even more SHIT! Terran lategame revolves around scouting tech switches from the opponent and adapting. That is why Terran is terrible against Toss and Zerg late-game, the tech switches are to slow and too small. Now, the situation vs Zerg was reasonable by using Ghost as a buffer, they weren't the be all, end all of all Zerg T3, at least, with proper overseer/spore usage, but allowed for Terran to buy time to switch tech around. That just got killed, so like in TvP, Terran is doomed too: Hope they guess right and get Vikings vs Brood Lord. If they guess wrong; GG """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Marauders vs Ultralisk"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" GG Just like the same mechanism with Viking/Collosi and Ghost/Zealot Archon. Which is boring and poor gamedesign because it relies on Terran being lucky with a scout/prediction and not on P/Z outplaying Terran. Racial imbalance. IMBALANCE. Lategame is shit. thrashed. Time to practice those 2 base all- ins again. One good points; I have only 2 matchups to practice left, TvT is soooo rare! think youre gonna get temporarily banned when some TL guy reads this and youre just wrong on alot of stuff you wrote and people focus too much on the tiers of units which doesnt really matter at all | ||
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Cdtf
France15 Posts
On February 11 2012 22:45 optical630 wrote: everyone forgets how slow broodlord infestor is, leaves zerg open for a lot of drop harass >_> Yeah. Siege your tanks, use Stim, micro your raven, be careful with your vikings, snipe and EMP with your ghosts, and multi drop. That's so easy, isn't it? Oh wait. I'm not MVP. What's more, a Terran CAN'T afford to lose 20 supplys (two full medivacs) while facing a T3 Zerg army. | ||
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Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
It is true that Terran has been nerfed loads in the games history, but since we're still at a point where the game is more or less balanced in terms of both tournament results and ladder results (when we have the numbers, but since they claim to monitor them it'd be wrong to just assume the game is beyond the numbers they deem acceptable) it'd be impossible to say that there wasn't at least some point of truth in nerfing the things they did and I think after a month or so the game will likely find another solution late game TvZ. That said I think after that Blizzard should be extremely careful about future nerfs and maybe look at the HOTS redesign chance to make lategame more fun for Terran players, or give a buff somewhere else if it's needed, but again I imagine Blizzards people already know that so I'm sure the game will end up balanced. Also, since it seems to matter to people in this thread, yes I main Zerg. I also have a random account. | ||
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Alliptnx
Poland6 Posts
On February 11 2012 22:48 MorroW wrote: i wonder if i will ever lose a zvt lategame again :DDD but i will still win tvz lategame, why, because know something many terrans in this thread dont can you try to guess what it is? sidenote: protoss change is stupid. im thinking about going 5 mutalisk and then stopping make muta and deny scout for 5 minute and hope they get a big boner in excitement for massing up 20 phoenixes with range upgrade, little do they know i stopped making mutas :D i like the apm change No, I can't :D | ||
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niladorus
Greece116 Posts
On February 11 2012 22:48 MorroW wrote: i wonder if i will ever lose a zvt lategame again :DDD but i will still win tvz lategame, why, because know something many terrans in this thread dont can you try to guess what it is? sidenote: protoss change is stupid. im thinking about going 5 mutalisk and then stopping make muta and deny scout for 5 minute and hope they get a big boner in excitement for massing up 20 phoenixes with range upgrade, little do they know i stopped making mutas :D i like the apm change i am a huge fan so i ll go for a guess. how to nuke and and macro and use thors and ravens and vikings and all the other stuff? | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
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Tomken
Norway1144 Posts
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On February 11 2012 22:59 MorroW wrote: your not there yet keep guessing Abusing BL/Infestor immobility? | ||
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tztztz
Germany314 Posts
On February 11 2012 22:59 MorroW wrote: your not there yet keep guessing HSM? | ||
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