EPTdjWHEAT on eSports Past and Present - Page 2
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serojja
Ukraine90 Posts
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On February 06 2012 20:40 pezit wrote: djWHEAT is awesome but I will never agree with the "let's all come together" stance he has about gaming. Different games are as different as different sports and people will like one and dislike the other and argue which one is the best. I agree, that's why I never got this "eSports" thing, I just wanna watch SC2. | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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Ruscour
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On February 06 2012 20:44 GrungyMunchy wrote: I agree, that's why I never got this "eSports" thing, I just wanna watch SC2. That's the point. You don't have to watch LoL or SF4 or Bejeweled or whatever. But don't shit on it; respect it. Because if that game grows, SC2 grows indirectly. StarCraft 2 alone can't fill a stadium by itself, at least not for a long time. Now imagine if there's LoL and fighting game and Counter Strike fans in the same stadium, and we watch MVP vs NesTea after Fnatic plays SK. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
On February 06 2012 20:15 BrosephBrostar wrote: I like wheat but I can't help but feel a little hypocrisy from the way he talks about playing nice with other games. This isn't an issue with him in particular, but pretty much all of the big name personalities. How can you tell people to respect League of Legends and Halo while at the same time completely ignoring Starcraft BW or treating it like some nostalgic fossil? It's like "Yeah support these other games, except for the one in direct competition with the one I work with." How hard can it be to say "salt," "blown up," "free," "downloaded," and "good read" as frequently as possible? Another SC2 vs BW comment - djWheat has never trashed BW - he only calls out BW elitists | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
On February 06 2012 20:40 pezit wrote: djWHEAT is awesome but I will never agree with the "let's all come together" stance he has about gaming. Different games are as different as different sports and people will like one and dislike the other and argue which one is the best. He never said to go and watch the games you don't want to see - merely, don't go about dis-respecting other games. For instance, don't go about making posts comparing games (e.g. like some BW-elitists are prone to doing). As an example of what SC2 fans are doing, I've seen many posts mocking LoL as a competitive game. | ||
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TiTanIum_
Brazil1335 Posts
Obviously I am kidding. Thanks! | ||
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BrosephBrostar
United States445 Posts
On February 06 2012 21:01 Azzur wrote: Another SC2 vs BW comment - djWheat has never trashed BW - he only calls out BW elitists I'm not saying he trashed it, I'm saying that he basically doesn't acknowledge its existence. | ||
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coolcor
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But don't shit on it; respect it. Because if that game grows, SC2 grows indirectly. But is that really true? Counterstrike and quake and broodwar don't seem to be growing with sc2 they seem to be dieing. In the past we've had no problem getting sponsors and partners excited about the featured games we ran on the circuit. This year however people are taking a longer look at last years title performance on a case by case basis. Meaning everyone wants to be associated with the title they see the most potential around. Unfortunately that has left us scrambling to find the resources to run a full line up. We're working around the clock to try and find support for the games we think need to be on the circuit but time isn't on our side. from sundance Sounds like halo is having trouble getting sponsors because sc2 and LoL are taking all of them. Shouldn't it be growing with sc2 if what you said is true? What if in the future all the sponsors decide LoL gives more ROI than sc2 because of the viewer numbers are you sure sc2 will grow with a bigger game instead of being crushed by it? | ||
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cydial
United States750 Posts
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
On February 06 2012 21:04 Azzur wrote: He never said to go and watch the games you don't want to see - merely, don't go about dis-respecting other games. For instance, don't go about making posts comparing games (e.g. like some BW-elitists are prone to doing). As an example of what SC2 fans are doing, I've seen many posts mocking LoL as a competitive game. As coolcor pointed out I don't believe SC2 grows with LoL at all, the industry as a whole might grow but not SC2. And while someone like djWHEAT or an organization profits regardless of which game is popular I don't because I think some games are just garbage, just like I think some sports are garbage. | ||
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jinixxx123
543 Posts
However i can see why wheat would want such a thing, because his career would benefit on any esport game. However for me i only like to watch Starcraft 2 and Street Fighter, everything else just does not hold my interest at all. So with that said i not sure why wheat is trying to get ppl to cross watch games. People will only watch what they interested in seeing. | ||
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Lynda
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 06 2012 21:10 BrosephBrostar wrote: I'm not saying he trashed it, I'm saying that he basically doesn't acknowledge its existence. it doesnt exist outside korea and it was never a game he focused on, in what context would you want him to discuss it? no one bashes bw, it just isnt relevant anymore in foreign esports. | ||
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
Maybe a LoL only tournament having a lot of viewers might not seem to help the SC2 community, but thing is, it helps the teams. And guess what, the teams that have LoL rosters are the same one with the SC2, CS, DotA2 or whatever the hottest game in esports are nowadays. Each game growing is more exposure for the proffessional teams, and without the teams there is no pro-gaming. So yes, we're all in the same boat whatever game you are playing. I personally don't like LoL, i do find it's not a great game but whatever it's super successfull and rise the awareness of esports around all gamers across the globe. So whatever, it could be minesweeper i wouldn't care much, it's just good that there are games with competitive players, training hard to be on top, watched by a ton of people. edit : on topic, djWheat is just amasing  | ||
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Abort Retry Fail
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son1dow
Lithuania322 Posts
On February 06 2012 20:15 BrosephBrostar wrote: I like wheat but I can't help but feel a little hypocrisy from the way he talks about playing nice with other games. This isn't an issue with him in particular, but pretty much all of the big name personalities. How can you tell people to respect League of Legends and Halo while at the same time completely ignoring Starcraft BW or treating it like some nostalgic fossil? It's like "Yeah support these other games, except for the one in direct competition with the one I work with." This. This interview was, while professional, pretty obvious. Sorry wheat, I'm not going to respect bejeweled, and really, I shouldn't be asked to. EDIT: Who cares about helping teams. Hey guys, support my company, it isn't related to starcraft but I'ma fan of starcraft and if I get more money I might have more free time to watch starcraft! | ||
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
On February 06 2012 23:23 Marou wrote: I see this thread derailling towards the topic of appreciating other games that the one you like, and i just want to clarify something for the people that are not understanding how LoL/SF4 growing helps SC2 growing. Well it's very simple, it's all about the team. Maybe a LoL only tournament having a lot of viewers might not seem to help the SC2 community, but thing is, it helps the teams. And guess what, the teams that have LoL rosters are the same one with the SC2, CS, DotA2 or whatever the hottest game in esports are nowadays. Each game growing is more exposure for the proffessional teams, and without the teams there is no pro-gaming. So yes, we're all in the same boat whatever game you are playing. I personally don't like LoL, i do find it's not a great game but whatever it's super successfull and rise the awareness of esports around all gamers across the globe. So whatever, it could be minesweeper i wouldn't care much, it's just good that there are games with competitive players, training hard to be on top, watched by a ton of people. edit : on topic, djWheat is just amasing It helps the teams yes and then they realize that all their interest comes from LoL and removes the SC2 team. Maybe you only care about esports as a whole but most people care about one or a few games and the people who "loves all games equally" are usually those who profit from it. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On February 06 2012 21:44 pezit wrote: As coolcor pointed out I don't believe SC2 grows with LoL at all, the industry as a whole might grow but not SC2. And while someone like djWHEAT or an organization profits regardless of which game is popular I don't because I think some games are just garbage, just like I think some sports are garbage. It's about industry health. With more titles proving to be sustainable it creates trust. The very same trust general business and society builds upon. If it weren't for CS, Quake, SC:BW and WC3, there wouldn't be SC2. There wouldn't have been existing organizations knowing how to run tournaments and leagues, regardless of the game. There wouldn't have been MLG, DH, IEM and GOM. Their experience is derived from developing different scenes, making different errors and learning from them. No matter how much you love your own game, if there is no general positive environment, chances are slim for resource-rich and knowledgeable.third parties to enter the field. One can choose to refuse outside expertise and build everything from scratch over and over again, or create an atmosphere of exchange and mutual benefit. When looking at the event coverage of Dota 2's The International, there are certainly things to learn from. Bracket display, accessibility, and live statistics. Nobody would have created Twitch.tv for SC2 only. That's all there is to it. If Twitch really believed that SC2 will be the only game to be using their technology, the investment would not have paid off. One can choose to take the risk on himself, but fact of the matter is there are rarely individuals in possession of the funds, technology and passion to gamble on that. With a larger base of business, these risks are being alleviated, making it easier for potential investment. | ||
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