EPTUI still sub-par 2 years later. Why don't we care? - Page 79
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
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Zythius
Norway94 Posts
I wonder if Blizzard dropped the statistics because it disarms the players when it comes to balance discussions, and gives Blizzard more power. I remember in a lot of the balance discussions in WC: 3 being based on statistics. A lot of it sucked, but it was something. | ||
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Parnass
Germany145 Posts
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korona
1098 Posts
On March 18 2012 01:08 DrowSwordsman wrote: Oh yeah also, I JUST noticed this yesterday, but I never looked at the numbers that Bnet UI showed in SC2. It said there were 306 people in public chat channels?! Is there a different stat for private chat channels or is that just the total number of people going into chat channels? That is so hideously low, I felt like. The implementation of the public channels is lousy. You can have only one public channel open at a time... and almost always most channels are empty. Private channels such as 'teamliquid' are more active in both EU and NA. Thankfully they allow opening multiple private channels at a time. I think the numbers you mentioned mean just public channels? For example when I wrote this message there were 73 people in EU public channels for English speakers (I counted this by howering the cursor over each public channel). Total 330 people if you count all languages (according bnet main screen). | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3357 Posts
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korona
1098 Posts
On March 20 2012 03:51 Parnass wrote: I still think the changes promised in 1.5 aren't going far enough, I think with more band aids without fixing the issue it will be hard to keep the draw of the game. They better get it rightby HOTS launch, otherwise it will be the worst case of missed opportunity. Yes the patch 1.5 does not promise much regarding the social features. On the other hand it is very interesting to see how they implement the marketplace (arcade). It can potentially be a big improvement regarding the custom games. I do hope that people are not satisfied too easily. They did not give any schedule regarding the v 1.5. Also the quality of the Bnet UI features Blizzard has delivered after the release has been lacking. Time will tell how big improvement the v 1.5 will be. But one thing is certain - There will still be much to improve after v 1.5: social features (clans, chat improvements, etc), statistics, replay tools, etc. I hope community will actively remind Blizzard regarding this. | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
On March 20 2012 08:04 WGT-Baal wrote: Too late for SC2 for me, although I really hope they will fix Bnet in the future, especially for Diablo 3! It would be horrendous if they kept the same UI I was lucky to get D3 beta key couple of weeks ago. At the moment D3 beta Bnet seems even worse than SC2:s. For example chat channel implementation is worse and it is cumbersome to check others' profiles & heroes. Also the friends list requires that both parties always accept each other to the list. Thankfully the game itself seems promising. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On March 18 2012 00:18 Shockk wrote: Thread #6 on the US forums is up, please support and "like" it just like all the others. It'd be great if everyone with access to the US forums could "like" the current thread. Despite activity and 5 pages filled so far, it hasn't yet reached "popular" status and thus has zero chance to be spotlighted on the main page. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4175362558?page=1 | ||
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wunsun
Canada622 Posts
On March 20 2012 08:14 korona wrote: I was lucky to get D3 beta key couple of weeks ago. At the moment D3 beta Bnet seems even worse than SC2:s. For example chat channel implementation is worse and it is cumbersome to check others' profiles & heroes. Also the friends list requires that both parties always accept each other to the list. Thankfully the game itself seems promising. What changes did they make to the chat channel that made it worse? | ||
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Ashur
Czech Republic646 Posts
On March 21 2012 14:46 wunsun wrote: What changes did they make to the chat channel that made it worse? Chat window is perfectly hidden, you need several mouseclicks to open it and you need to know what channel to join. An they are almost empty at the moment. | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
On March 21 2012 19:51 Ashur wrote: Chat window is perfectly hidden, you need several mouseclicks to open it and you need to know what channel to join. An they are almost empty at the moment. There are only predefined public chat channels (trade, hardcore, looking for group and class specific) and no private channels. I am not sure how many users can fit in one channel (40+ is the most I have seen in one channel). There is only one chat channel window, which is not resizable or movable. You can have only one channel open at a time. The buffer is very short and at the moment you cannot ignore spammers. There are no restrictions how many messages can be send in a certain time period. One spammer can fill the whole buffer with couple of long pastes in a second (I am pretty sure Blizzard will implement some kind of ignore for the retail version). You cannot access chat channels in-game. It is cumbersome to check who are in the channel as it requires opening the attendee list from the context menu. The attendee list is located over some player profile UI elements, so when checking others' profiles and heroes you often want to close it. There is no chat gem  The only noticeable improvement over SC2 is that there is no auto scroll in chat windows. It would be very straightforward to implement the latter to SC2 also. The private, party & in-game chat is located in a separate always open window. All in-game messages such as NPC messages use that window too. Of course D3 and its' Bnet is still in beta stage, but I am not expecting major improvements. No wonder why they wanted to cut chat channels in first place as the current implementation is not commercial quality in my eyes. A month ago Blizzard stated that there will be no big changes to the chat channel interface before release: http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/no-changes-to-chat-before-release Here is a youtube walkthrough to the D3 chat interface: Some related discussion topics from TL's D3 forum: D3 Bnet is going the same way as SC2 and Chat channels at Release. (edit: added links to external sources) (edit 2: added links to related discussion topics in TL's D3 forums that could be used for deeper discussion) | ||
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RnRa76
United States2 Posts
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Art_of_Kill
Zaire1232 Posts
it starts at 11mins tlo saying what more people should say, maybe that way blizzards eyes get opened | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
TLO at MLG Winter Championships 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz0uHNyKvSc&t=11m01s iNcontroL at MLG Winter Championships 2012 Sheth at MLG Winter Championships 2012 Minigun at MLG Winter Championships 2012 In DjWheat's shows there is lots of good critisism regarding Bnet. For example in Inside the Game episode that aired 2012-03-06 Painuser, Machine and Incontrol gave critisism regarding chat & shared replay viewing (question starts 1:31:10): http://blip.tv/insidethegame/episode-6037316 If somebody finds similar interviews where progamers criticize Bnet UI features it would be good to link them here. (edit: added link to ItG episode) | ||
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Areon
United States273 Posts
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
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Hertzy
Finland355 Posts
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
Hopefully this will make blizzard polish the Bnet even more in patch 1.5 | ||
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