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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
February 02 2012 07:18 GMT
#21
Most of those things that it could help you with is just shit you could look at/sticky note anyway, and so it wouldn't really help all that much. Having an audio reminder in your game feels like cheating to me anyway, and in some instances (pooling resources for mutas, etc.) wouldn't really be able to understand it accurately anyway.
Maynarde
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 07:18:39
February 02 2012 07:18 GMT
#22
On February 02 2012 16:13 Odal wrote:
People will literally do anything to avoid just practicing and learning how to play normally.


This. NOTHING is every going to be as good and effective as hard work and perseverance when it comes to improving.

Don't look for short-cuts or detours, just keep clicking that find match button and you'll improve over time and it'll stick. If you're reliant on apps, you're going to use them as a crutch eventually and they'll all banned from tournaments anyway.
CommentatorAustralian SC2 Caster | Twitter: @MaynardeSC2 | Twitch: twitch.tv/maynarde
Sveet
Profile Joined November 2010
United States86 Posts
February 02 2012 07:44 GMT
#23
I think this tool is very useful. It doesn't do anything you couldn't get by having a friend stand behind you saying "spend your money" "idle workers" and, at least for training purposes, I definitely wouldn't call that cheating. It also would have no bearing on professional matches.
Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
February 02 2012 07:52 GMT
#24
lol this reminds me of DJ wheat creating an audio loop of him saying "inject" so he didn't forget.
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1083 Posts
February 02 2012 07:58 GMT
#25
On February 02 2012 14:20 EienShinwa wrote:
It shouldn't be a program, but a custom game for practicing mechanics.

Bingo! OP, take any normal map, add some scripts into it and you've got a nice little trainer that does exactly what you want to do and it can't be used to cheat the ladder or online tournaments.

And yes, having someone stand behind you and tell you what to do is cheating and you should be disqualified from any online tournament if the organizers find out. Ladder is a bit more lenient as there really isn't anyting riding on the results and people just use it to practice anyways.
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
February 02 2012 08:09 GMT
#26
Doesn't help you at all, all you're doing is avoiding practice so you can do those things yourself just as easily, and relying on a program telling you what to do instead.

Just practice instead.
Phenny
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1435 Posts
February 02 2012 08:17 GMT
#27
It might help, might not, might work well for some people and not at all for others. But personally I'd want to be the one improving myself and reminding myself of these things and working on it that way rather than having assistance.
Ryndika
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1489 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 08:22:40
February 02 2012 08:20 GMT
#28
Maybe it might be good for some mental illness/disabled people etc, but for average joe, if you need this - I don't think you care enough to be better.

Someone suggested custom game above. Yes, this please. Micro practices with marines, prisms etc and some macro timing practices with a custom map would sound really good for everyone, because you can actually do more precise practice.
as useful as teasalt
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
February 02 2012 08:26 GMT
#29
I'm cool with inject timers. Auditory learners especially can train themselves in the timing this way, eventually it becomes ingrained so I think that's fine.

Not cool with this. decision making has to be the player's responsibility.
Mord
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway171 Posts
February 02 2012 08:28 GMT
#30
Voted no, I don't like the idea of any app that explicitly tells you what to do when.
sjcomp
Profile Joined January 2012
United States8 Posts
February 03 2012 02:30 GMT
#31
Not cool with this. decision making has to be the player's responsibility.
I agree and this program can not help with that.
sjcomp
Profile Joined January 2012
United States8 Posts
February 03 2012 02:40 GMT
#32
On February 02 2012 17:09 Canas wrote:
Doesn't help you at all, all you're doing is avoiding practice so you can do those things yourself just as easily, and relying on a program telling you what to do instead.

Just practice instead.

The point is to make your practice more efficient. In general there is a tendency to remove unnecessary things out of game, so that players can focus on what is important. For example, in sc you had to direct each worker to the mineral patch, in sc2 you do not have to. Did it make the game better? I think so. The same refers to practice.

The whole idea was formed after I noticed that I am doing this:
a) play a game
b) watch replay
c) notice I am missing larva
d) write a note to yourself to pay more attention to it
e) repeat

Reminder collapse a, b,c, and d. Now if I hear inject and I did not do it, it means I need to shift my focus to injects.

I also had difficulties with build orders. I did write sticky notes for that. And yes after looking at sticky note for 5 games I remember the sequence. But with audio reminders I can memorize the sequence in 3 games (isn't that what people do with playing youtube video in the background, or repeating audio clips?).

The purpose of the program is to optimize your training and not to serve a crutch for those who do not want to learn.
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