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sjcomp
Profile Joined January 2012
United States8 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-03 02:28:13
February 02 2012 02:37 GMT
#1
When I started playing sc2 I had real difficulty remembering what I need to do next (so many things to remember). It included what to do next in a build order, as well as repetitive tasks, such as injects. So I decided to make a program that would help me with these issues.

The program takes a screenshot of the game (just like fraps or any other screen capturing soft), then uses OCR to find out what game time it is and how many resources you currently have. Then based on this information it plays audio prompts: idle worker, too much minerals, inject, etc...

In short it helps with developing mechanics faster. I would like to know what people think about this idea and if the community would benefit if I release this program. The program does not modify sc2 in any way or sends any events to it, it simply takes screenshots. It does not affect fps in any significant way either. Of course, it can not help with micro or decision making, but it can help with macro and make sure you do not forget some things.

Let me know what you think. Or PM me if you want to try it.
Poll: Would you like to have such a program?

No (65)
 
70%

Yes (28)
 
30%

93 total votes

Your vote: Would you like to have such a program?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No

Monkeybacon
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada26 Posts
February 02 2012 02:40 GMT
#2
From bronze to diamond only a program away
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 02:44:50
February 02 2012 02:42 GMT
#3
I think there was already a thread discussing something similar to this, and most people considered it cheating if it was used in online play. But if it's just used for training against AI or something it sounds interesting, I would definitely look into it.

Note that even if this doesn't modify SC2, it might still be considered a violation of Blizzards EULA.
lSasquatchl
Profile Joined February 2011
United States309 Posts
February 02 2012 02:44 GMT
#4
It could be helpful..but I think using it during ladder goes against blizzards terms of use or something.
lolsil
Profile Joined January 2012
United States37 Posts
February 02 2012 02:51 GMT
#5
yes.
Nyct0
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom33 Posts
February 02 2012 02:53 GMT
#6
Using any kind of program like this is cheating :/
Marksman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Malaysia523 Posts
February 02 2012 02:56 GMT
#7
I believe even if this program is developed as intended, it will still be unable to work very efficiently especially with respect to zerg. If the player does not select the queen or hatchery / command centre / nexus / MBS, the program will not be able to work. So, it will need a minimum of base skill from the player in order to benefit from it. A simpler program that will be more effective will probably be a repeated macro voice timer like that been suggested before.

My experience with OCR systems have been rather disappointing as well so I'm unsure on how effective your program can be.

My 2 cents.
I live by the LoL
HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
February 02 2012 03:07 GMT
#8
its just like all those other gimmicky programs that don't actually help you...its a cheat sheet for playing SC. Instead of doing it by learning u r doing it by it telling you to. Over time it MIGHT help...but thats it...you will learn it faster if you force yourself to do it, not when its given to you
CounterOrder
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada457 Posts
February 02 2012 04:15 GMT
#9
Say no to cheating! Offline do w/e you feel like.
Peekay.switch
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada285 Posts
February 02 2012 04:54 GMT
#10
How is it any different then simply looking at those three information (Ressources, Idle Worker and Warp Gates)?
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
February 02 2012 05:06 GMT
#11
why don't you actually modify your thought process to go through those problems in your play?

like a sticky note that says to look at those information or whatever?
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
sjcomp
Profile Joined January 2012
United States8 Posts
February 02 2012 05:09 GMT
#12
Interesting reaction. Is having a sticky note with a build order on your monitor a cheat as well? I guess the same refers to coaching. I saw a video where HDStarcraft was playing and PainUser was giving him hints about what to do. I believe sticky notes, coaching, youtube videos playing in background have more affect in the next game you play, than in the current game. Next game your habits are a little better. It seems that having someone to remind you what to do next will reinforce habits faster, then remind these things to yourself when watching a replay.

I thought of this tool might help people develop their skills a little faster Those who would like to try this out program PM me and I will keep you updated.
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
February 02 2012 05:20 GMT
#13
It shouldn't be a program, but a custom game for practicing mechanics.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches. Alice Roosevelt Longworth
CounterOrder
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada457 Posts
February 02 2012 06:00 GMT
#14
If you write a sticky note with a bo thats one more thing to look at. This program takes away thingss you need to pay attention to by throwing you an alert. Preparing for a match isnt the same thing as having a program hold your hand. geez
nobody_important
Profile Joined February 2012
5 Posts
February 02 2012 06:21 GMT
#15
I think this is a great idea for people that want to train themselves. Having a program like this to periodically remind you what you should be remembering to do (inject, build worker, chrono boost, scout, etc.) isn't really cheating. It's just training your mechanics so that they become second nature. As for releasing the program, I'd only recommend releasing it if you release the source code with the binaries.
alpinefpOPP
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States134 Posts
February 02 2012 06:24 GMT
#16
Isn't using something like this a bit close to cheating?
Xenocryst
Profile Joined December 2010
United States521 Posts
February 02 2012 06:45 GMT
#17
seems like cheating to me
PeZuY
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
935 Posts
February 02 2012 06:57 GMT
#18
What I read this sounds very much cheating. Let me give you a old fashioned way to learn: Learn a section at a time and by the time you have your micro in a decent level compared to the league you are in you can start learn other sections etc.
Holy_AT
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria978 Posts
February 02 2012 07:05 GMT
#19
This is a bad Idea! If you additionally to that programm you take out the silly micro you would realize that only pure strategy is left in this game and players would find out that SC II is more like a microfps game then a strategy game XD
So bad programm ! Do not use !
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
February 02 2012 07:13 GMT
#20
People will literally do anything to avoid just practicing and learning how to play normally.
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