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On January 31 2012 15:40 Zeroxk wrote:Cool, should be fun. Hope the casting times aren't too bad for europe. Good luck! Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 15:38 Vul wrote:
I think it's cool that they're doing this, but if they want to produce content solely out of Code A qualifiers, why do they rarely stream the actual Code A qualifier? There's A LOT of pressure for code A qualifiers and GOMTV feels they don't want to add on more by streaming it, though I wouldn't mind replaycasts
To be honest the whole "There's A LOT of pressure for code A qualifiers and GOMTV feels they don't want to add on more by streaming it" is a big joke. What is better. Player failing to qualify for Code A cause he fail the pressure or Player failing his first game after qualifying for code A due to the same pressure and becoming a big embarrassment for the team? (yeah i know the embarrassment part is blowing it up out of proportion but still.)
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On January 31 2012 17:47 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 15:40 Zeroxk wrote:Cool, should be fun. Hope the casting times aren't too bad for europe. Good luck! On January 31 2012 15:38 Vul wrote:
I think it's cool that they're doing this, but if they want to produce content solely out of Code A qualifiers, why do they rarely stream the actual Code A qualifier? There's A LOT of pressure for code A qualifiers and GOMTV feels they don't want to add on more by streaming it, though I wouldn't mind replaycasts To be honest the whole "There's A LOT of pressure for code A qualifiers and GOMTV feels they don't want to add on more by streaming it" is a big joke. What is better. Player failing to qualify for Code A cause he fail the pressure or Player failing his first game after qualifying for code A due to the same pressure and becoming a big embarrassment for the team? (yeah i know the embarrassment part is blowing it up out of proportion but still.)
Most koreans that went thought it said they never wanted to go back due to the pressure and how it felt being there. I dont get why you would add increased pressure on it when pretty much every code a qualifier interview says they hope to never have to qualify again.
If these players fail to qualify for code a they have to wait 2-3 months now to be able to compete in any real tournement again.
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France9263 Posts
That's pure speculation but except Khaldor/Moletrap, I don't think any gom caster gives a close look to the korean scene. And about the korean on mid-tier team, I doubt that a foreign caster has hear a lot about them so a good combo like TB/dAppolo or Bitterdam is perfectly fine, and really nice for them.
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I don't like how priority is given to team members, it would have been a good way to promote yet unkown players to the already established teams.
edit: not saying that they should prioritize unkown players, just go according to bnet rank.
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On January 31 2012 18:13 JustPassingBy wrote:
I don't like how priority is given to team members, it would have been a good way to promote yet unkown players to the already established teams.
edit: not saying that they should prioritize unkown players, just go according to bnet rank.
Most team members are already high GM and Masters players already.
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On January 31 2012 18:26 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 18:13 JustPassingBy wrote:
I don't like how priority is given to team members, it would have been a good way to promote yet unkown players to the already established teams.
edit: not saying that they should prioritize unkown players, just go according to bnet rank. Most team members are already high GM and Masters players already.
see? that's another point, that rule is somewhat superflous already.
it just makes somebody who climbs his way all to the top of the korean ladder lose his spot because somebody from an established team below him wants to participate.
on the other hand, players in teams do have a disadvantage because they cannot ladder all day.
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as long as they box out people who already have spots this sounds fantastic.
I imagine they will.
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Hope this doesn't clash with the KSL, although I wouldn't trade watching the all kill format KSL team league with any daily SC2 tourney. Or the normal KSL for that matter, better players involved.
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That's a good start, however to get a Code A spot this way you need to 1) win a 64 player tournament 2) win an offline tournament (likely at least 8 players). This is still a chance, but you would not really bet on it given that in Code B you "just" need to win one of the many brackets of 32 players (actually, much less nowadays - half of the spots in the bracket are empty).
What I would like to see is Code B being developed to a longer-term tournament, with Up&Down matches between Code B and Code A. In this scenario the Code B "regular season" (for Code B only players) could be conducted online; and GOM can delegate streaming/casting of this tournament to ESW/ESV/KSL/whomever. In this case Up&Down matches would be held between Code B winners + Code A loosers + seeds/invites.
I think that this system would provide much more opportunities to Code B players, and better chances to qualify for Code A.
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So did I get the ESV/ESW situation correct:
- ESV did a weekly tournament to give the skilled korean players something to do outside of GSL. They had a cash prize to attract the players.
- GOMTV and ESV decided that it'd be cool to add a code-A spot as well, to spice it up further.
- Coca scandal made them realise that it's not a good idea to hand out code-A spot when GSL players are in the tourney.
- Now ESV has to either a) drop the GSL players from the tourney b) drop the code-A spot.
- ESV want to keep the GSL players, so they drop the code-A spot and keep (even increase?) the cash price.
- GOM liked the idea of weekly tournaments giving a code-A spot, so they open a weekly on their own, doing the b) alternative: shutting out GSL players, but keep the code-A spot.
If they send them in NA/EU times (ie, EU evening/night, NA (early) afternoon i guess), which doesnt collide with the other weekly tournys as i understand, everything seems fine, and it is just more content for us spectators. 
Did I get it right?
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On January 31 2012 19:44 Cascade wrote:So did I get the ESV/ESW situation correct: - ESV did a weekly tournament to give the skilled korean players something to do outside of GSL. They had a cash prize to attract the players. - GOMTV and ESV decided that it'd be cool to add a code-A spot as well, to spice it up further. - Coca scandal made them realise that it's not a good idea to hand out code-A spot when GSL players are in the tourney. - Now ESV has to either a) drop the GSL players from the tourney b) drop the code-A spot. - ESV want to keep the GSL players, so they drop the code-A spot and keep (even increase?) the cash price. - GOM liked the idea of weekly tournaments giving a code-A spot, so they open a weekly on their own, doing the b) alternative: shutting out GSL players, but keep the code-A spot. If they send them in NA/EU times (ie, EU evening/night, NA (early) afternoon i guess), which doesnt collide with the other weekly tournys as i understand, everything seems fine, and it is just more content for us spectators. Did I get it right?
As far as I know, yes -- thank you :-p Makes much more sense when summed up like this, seemed like a lot of people hadn't been following what ESV was doing with the weekly and were confused by this announcement.
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Very nice, looking forward to seeing some foreigners play, and the casters are great as well.
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Austria899 Posts
seems nice, the only critique I have in the prioritization with foreign players. Foreigners have already so many ways to get into code a (not that it's easy for them, but easier than for players in korea without a team).
other than that, seems like a good idea, maybe I'll watch it some time
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On January 31 2012 15:34 FXOpen wrote:
In B4 someone plays on behalf of another player online so that they get the qualification... Thats the only scandal that can happen next right?
Do you really think any of the Code S players would do this for their friends at the risk of getting caught after seeing what happened with coca/byun and getting banned from the GSL? ( Or whatever would happen, it would be bad though )
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There (indirectly) is a monetary reward since Code A Ro48 gives ₩ 400,000 / $ 355 / € 260 (Source)
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yea how to sign up got 5days to figure this out =D
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Winner of the weekly match gets ₩100,000
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EPT
