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Code A seeds on the line in Esports Weekly Match - Page 6

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Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
January 31 2012 14:45 GMT
#101
The people saying that having a code a spot means that people will match fix are just not thinking clearly. It's not like a Code A spot has some special, moral inhibition reducing quality that can't be simply addressed. Sounds like no code A or S players are going to be playing. ESV's loss, but frankly, they took it away from the players and showed no trust to them because of what two people did. It was a pretty sloppy move and it was inevitable that someone would make use of GOMs willingness to saturate other high level tournaments with a GSL seed prize pool.
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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 31 2012 14:53 GMT
#102
On January 31 2012 23:45 Lumi wrote:
The people saying that having a code a spot means that people will match fix are just not thinking clearly. It's not like a Code A spot has some special, moral inhibition reducing quality that can't be simply addressed. Sounds like no code A or S players are going to be playing. ESV's loss, but frankly, they took it away from the players and showed no trust to them because of what two people did. It was a pretty sloppy move and it was inevitable that someone would make use of GOMs willingness to saturate other high level tournaments with a GSL seed prize pool.

The problem came from the fact that sometimes non-GSL players would run into friends/teammates in Code A/S and at that point, it becomes a very real possibility (i.e. CoCa/Byun) that the player in the GSL doesn't play his hardest because he wants his friend/teammate to have a shot at the GSL spot.

It essentially came down to Diamond choosing between the Code A spot and only allowing non-GSL players or allowing any Korean player and no Code A spot. He chose the latter so GOMTV decided to take the other option and run their own tournament for it.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
January 31 2012 15:05 GMT
#103
On January 31 2012 15:41 Primadog wrote:
GOM took up a junior partner and give them some token reward. When the concept proven popular, drop the partner like a rock and copy the concept wholesale.

Typical GOM.

You could at least have the elegance to edit that post.
legatus legionis
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands559 Posts
January 31 2012 15:13 GMT
#104
Conflict of interest isn't the only thing that would make people "match fix". So I'm not really sure where the argument lies. Only that it would be more obvious to try and deduce that one player did not try as hard as he is legally required to try for a match to be valid competition. I had to go there to make the point that when you say someone doesn't try as hard it's a pretty arbitrary judgement and you would need to set up a ton of stuff to be consistent with enforcing any rules created around this.

Say a player like MKP drops out of Code A, he plays here and meets his team mate. He could lose and let the teammate go through because he will most likely get through the actual qualifiers anyway.
Doesn't have to be team mates it can be friends too like Coca/Byun, ex teammates.
I really think you can even make the argument that if it's two unknown players from the same team it's possible that they won't try their hardest. Most simple way would be they meet in a round (say semi finals), they can know race x or person x will be in the next round (final) and when one guy is really bad against that race and the other is really good. You can set it up so that the player that will most likely get the spot if he goes through is the one that actually goes through.

When there is an incentive to cheat, a small percentage of people always will.

However my post serves no real point since I'm not sure what the relevance is to this league and such. Just wanted to put this perspective out there. I wonder if there could become any concrete rules for the future. Tagging on the idea of a governing body in the future, what those rules could entail.
careohx
Profile Joined June 2011
263 Posts
January 31 2012 15:34 GMT
#105
PLEASE GIVE IT A DECENT NAME! Like Road to code A etc,.. with all these weeklies around its so hard to tell tournaments apart especially if you give such a generic name to it.
murtas
Profile Joined December 2010
Portugal249 Posts
January 31 2012 16:34 GMT
#106
Agree, the concept is good, the name is horrible. xD
Bijan
Profile Joined October 2010
United States286 Posts
January 31 2012 17:16 GMT
#107
On January 31 2012 15:34 FXOpen wrote:
In B4 someone plays on behalf of another player online so that they get the qualification... Thats the only scandal that can happen next right?


The final qualification is an offline tournament, so the only scandal I foresee is Carmac showing up as Dimaga. Then we'll be left with a situation in which the tournament organizers have to shoot one of the "Dimaga's" while both of them try to convince everyone that the other is a fake.
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
January 31 2012 17:18 GMT
#108
Did we miss the boat ? what are these brackets

http://ewm.kr/303
http://ewm.kr/308
http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 17:49:31
January 31 2012 17:47 GMT
#109
hehe i wouldn't worry about esvs korean weekly, still an epic map pool and coverage and casters and they did fine before they had this code a spot. But the code a spot was really nice to get more popular nevertheless.
nice to see a new tournament over there though ^^. The bad side is... soon 24/7 tournaments uggghh.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 18:35:04
January 31 2012 18:04 GMT
#110
Just thought everyone should know they've posted a player list for the first week. It might still be subject to change but:

(Z)TSLSymboL
oGsRicgoon
(P)NsHSSan
(P)dtGNalZa
(P)MvPfinale
(Z)TSLRevivaL
(T)STRainBOw
(T)STHack
(T)ZeNEXCutter
(P)MvPTAiLS
(P)NsHSTassadar
(T)IMdreamertt
(T)FXOTheBest
(Z)NsHSFreaky
(T)FXOTree
(P)STTiger
(P)ClassicPrime
(Z)IMhorror
(P)FXOTear
(P)IMReady
(Z)ZeNEXPet
(T)FnaticRain
(P)ZeNEXTREME
(Z)oGsBerra
(T)STSound
(T)MvPBang
(P)MvPVampire
(Z)TSLRagnaroK
(P)cOrePrime
(Z)FXOWhale
(P)NsHSSage
(Z)IMTrue
(Z)RS_Galaxy
(Z)STKingKong
(P)SlayerSVen
(P)oGsVINES
STLegend* (No Information Available)
(P)FXOChoya
(T)EGPuMa
(Z)SlayerSMiya
(P)ZeNEXYangSongE
(T)ZeNEXJjun
(Z)oGsJookTo
(T)oGsIllusion
(T)MvPDream
(T)NsHSSting
(T)MvPNoblesse
(Z)TSLShine
(P)IMYongHwa
(P)SlayerSCranK
(T)FXOAlways
(Z)MvPMonster
(Z)SlayerSCella
(Z)IMLosirA
(Z)SlayerSMin
(Z)SalMoSaPrime
(T)ZeNEXSparta
(P)EGHuK
(Z)Liquid`HayprO
(Z)AiCytoplasm
(T)Liquid`Jinro
(Z)QxGShuffle
(P)QxGSaSe
(T)cArn
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 18:30:58
January 31 2012 18:30 GMT
#111
I think Apollo and TB are my second favorite duo. They are really good together.

Damn, not seeing IdrA in that list above me.
I had a good night of sleep.
-Strider-
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico1605 Posts
January 31 2012 18:33 GMT
#112
GomTV should reward the effort that ESV and KSL do for the korea scene allowing them to give a Code A seed.
What is up? IM NESTEAAAA!
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 18:35:54
January 31 2012 18:34 GMT
#113
nice player list!

edit:

On February 01 2012 03:33 -Strider- wrote:
GomTV should reward the effort that ESV and KSL do for the korea scene allowing them to give a Code A seed.

where have you been? ESV had a code A seed reward and cancelled it because of match fixing.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 31 2012 18:59 GMT
#114
Oh nice, player list.

Looks like HuK is not giving up on sc2 as some doomsayers are predicting, no Idra though.

Now we get to see what ZeNEXCutter is made of.

And ST-Legend? Is it wrong of me to hope he loses so he keeps observing the gsl games?
-Strider-
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico1605 Posts
January 31 2012 19:04 GMT
#115
On February 01 2012 03:34 y0su wrote:
nice player list!

edit:

Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 03:33 -Strider- wrote:
GomTV should reward the effort that ESV and KSL do for the korea scene allowing them to give a Code A seed.

where have you been? ESV had a code A seed reward and cancelled it because of match fixing.

So that's why...
thank you for clarifying!
What is up? IM NESTEAAAA!
eleaf
Profile Joined September 2011
526 Posts
January 31 2012 19:08 GMT
#116
On February 01 2012 03:04 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Just thought everyone should know they've posted a player list for the first week. It might still be subject to change but:

(Z)TSLSymboL
oGsRicgoon
(P)NsHSSan
(P)dtGNalZa
(P)MvPfinale
(Z)TSLRevivaL
(T)STRainBOw
(T)STHack
(T)ZeNEXCutter
(P)MvPTAiLS
(P)NsHSTassadar
(T)IMdreamertt
(T)FXOTheBest
(Z)NsHSFreaky
(T)FXOTree
(P)STTiger
(P)ClassicPrime
(Z)IMhorror
(P)FXOTear
(P)IMReady
(Z)ZeNEXPet
(T)FnaticRain
(P)ZeNEXTREME
(Z)oGsBerra
(T)STSound
(T)MvPBang
(P)MvPVampire
(Z)TSLRagnaroK
(P)cOrePrime
(Z)FXOWhale
(P)NsHSSage
(Z)IMTrue
(Z)RS_Galaxy
(Z)STKingKong
(P)SlayerSVen
(P)oGsVINES
STLegend* (No Information Available)
(P)FXOChoya
(T)EGPuMa
(Z)SlayerSMiya
(P)ZeNEXYangSongE
(T)ZeNEXJjun
(Z)oGsJookTo
(T)oGsIllusion
(T)MvPDream
(T)NsHSSting
(T)MvPNoblesse
(Z)TSLShine
(P)IMYongHwa
(P)SlayerSCranK
(T)FXOAlways
(Z)MvPMonster
(Z)SlayerSCella
(Z)IMLosirA
(Z)SlayerSMin
(Z)SalMoSaPrime
(T)ZeNEXSparta
(P)EGHuK
(Z)Liquid`HayprO
(Z)AiCytoplasm
(T)Liquid`Jinro
(Z)QxGShuffle
(P)QxGSaSe
(T)cArn


Seeing the list and format I get the feeling that this tournament already has the potential to replace ESV/KSL if they are going to broadcast live replays during NA/EU time.
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 19:53:21
January 31 2012 19:52 GMT
#117
On February 01 2012 03:30 Koshi wrote:
I think Apollo and TB are my second favorite duo. They are really good together.

Damn, not seeing IdrA in that list above me.

Apollo is FAR FAR better with TLO.
It would have been nice to see TLO and Apollo rather than TB and Apollo.

If we're getting what should be high level games, why don't we get high level commentary?
HOLY CHECK!
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
January 31 2012 19:53 GMT
#118
On February 01 2012 04:08 eleaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 03:04 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Just thought everyone should know they've posted a player list for the first week. It might still be subject to change but:

(Z)TSLSymboL
oGsRicgoon
(P)NsHSSan
(P)dtGNalZa
(P)MvPfinale
(Z)TSLRevivaL
(T)STRainBOw
(T)STHack
(T)ZeNEXCutter
(P)MvPTAiLS
(P)NsHSTassadar
(T)IMdreamertt
(T)FXOTheBest
(Z)NsHSFreaky
(T)FXOTree
(P)STTiger
(P)ClassicPrime
(Z)IMhorror
(P)FXOTear
(P)IMReady
(Z)ZeNEXPet
(T)FnaticRain
(P)ZeNEXTREME
(Z)oGsBerra
(T)STSound
(T)MvPBang
(P)MvPVampire
(Z)TSLRagnaroK
(P)cOrePrime
(Z)FXOWhale
(P)NsHSSage
(Z)IMTrue
(Z)RS_Galaxy
(Z)STKingKong
(P)SlayerSVen
(P)oGsVINES
STLegend* (No Information Available)
(P)FXOChoya
(T)EGPuMa
(Z)SlayerSMiya
(P)ZeNEXYangSongE
(T)ZeNEXJjun
(Z)oGsJookTo
(T)oGsIllusion
(T)MvPDream
(T)NsHSSting
(T)MvPNoblesse
(Z)TSLShine
(P)IMYongHwa
(P)SlayerSCranK
(T)FXOAlways
(Z)MvPMonster
(Z)SlayerSCella
(Z)IMLosirA
(Z)SlayerSMin
(Z)SalMoSaPrime
(T)ZeNEXSparta
(P)EGHuK
(Z)Liquid`HayprO
(Z)AiCytoplasm
(T)Liquid`Jinro
(Z)QxGShuffle
(P)QxGSaSe
(T)cArn


Seeing the list and format I get the feeling that this tournament already has the potential to replace ESV/KSL if they are going to broadcast live replays during NA/EU time.

KSL is in EU time and ESV is in US time. Neither of the tournements are played in the timespan that would define US/EU friendly time
nebok
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden85 Posts
January 31 2012 20:07 GMT
#119
Brackets from leveltory via google translate Here!
RusHXceL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1004 Posts
January 31 2012 20:09 GMT
#120
so no more ESV Weekly free code A/
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