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United States7481 Posts
A new road has opened for Starcraft 2 players to attain GSL Code A.
Currently the Global Starcraft2 League (GSL) has a format with Code S, Code A, and the code B tournament. The Esports Weekly Match (EWM) will add on to this, starting February 5th.
The EWM is a weekly online tournament with 64 players. The winner each will advance into an offline tournament, and the winner of that will get the Code A seed. In 2012, the EWM is expected to provide 1 seed for every code A tournament.
The 64 players will be chosen on a first-come, first-serve basis. To qualify, a player must be above 500 rating in Masters league on the Korean server. However, players that are part of a team, domestic or foreign, are eligible to particpate regardless of rank and are given first priority to particpate.
The format is best of 3 for every round, and the map order is Daybreak, Dual Sight, and Antiga Shipyard.
The tournament will be broadcast overseas via TwitchTV, and will be cast by popular foreign casters John "TotalBiscuit" Bain and Shaun "Apollo" Clark.
source: http://www.gamechosun.co.kr/article/view.php?no=85848
Original Author: 이시우, @ssidaglez on twitter
Some additional info from VirgilSC2:
On January 31 2012 14:26 VirgilSC2 wrote:It's first open to Foreign Players living in Korea, and then open to Korean players on Korean pro-teams (The major pro teams that is). After that it's first come-first serve to players in Korea. tl;dr You have to be in Korea.It should also be noted that Mr. Bitter and RotterdaM will be joining in on the casting as well. As far as I've been informed, players currently in Code S/Code A will not be competing.
+ Show Spoiler [Signup Details] +email ewmkr@naver.com with the following information:
1. Participant Name: James Brown
2. Participants Date of Birth: 01/07/1991
3. Battle.net ID and Friend Code (Korea server): LovelyJames .123
4. Race Played by the Participant: Zerg
5. Participant contact information (cell phone): 010-1235-1235
6. Team Status of the Participant: Team XXXX (or Teamless)
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United States33339 Posts
Poor KSL and ESV Weekly 
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so they took ESV and put on a different name with different casters
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Did not expect this. Oh well, more content is for the best I guess.
I just don't get it. Why set up a brand new tournament when KSL and ESV are already established? Weird.
I suppose if this tournament is only for Code B players this could be spectacular and I love the idea.
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Sorry for the ignorance, but how will this affect KSL and ESV Weekly?
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No poor ESV weekly.
If the prize is a code a spot, what stops friends from forfeiting a match? See Coca fiasco.
Diamond made a rational and well thought out choice to get the best games. Qualifiers where some players have already qualified..well..yeah.
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Didn't ESV not want to give out Code A spots for the sake of their tournament? From the sounds of it, this tournament is PURELY for a Code A spot and there is no other prize.
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On January 31 2012 12:50 leperphilliac wrote:
Sorry for the ignorance, but how will this affect KSL and ESV Weekly?
Pretty much same format, but instead of cash they have code A spot reward
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Will players already in Code A and S not be allowed in the tournament? Makes no sense for them to join. =/
If only code B players are allowed then this might turn into an interesting tournament of up-and-comers.
Edit: Since code B is no longer live streamed/casted.
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wow poor ESV, those guys can't catch a break
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On January 31 2012 12:59 lichter wrote:
Will players already in Code A and S not be allowed in the tournament? Makes no sense for them to join. =/
If only code B players are allowed then this might turn into an interesting tournament of up-and-comers.
Edit: Since code B is no longer live streamed/casted.
If there is no monetary reward, why would they spend their time playing it?
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United States15275 Posts
This sounds nice but seriously, will there ever be a SC2 equivalent to Dream League? That was the shit.
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ESV doesn't really lose anything from this, except for the additional competition. They willingly stopped giving out Code A spots because of the CoCa fiasco. I assume they would only invite non Code-A/S players.
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I do kind of wish they made a partnership with one of the other tournaments and combine to add the code A spot there. Either way this will only make it grow and give lesser knowns a chance to get in the spot light. Can't wait!
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Seems great for up and coming korean players, and with TB&Apollo casting it should be great.
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Are people who are currently in Code A/S able to participate? (They might end up getting knocked out.) ESV had a code A slot as part of it for a while, but then removed it because it caused problems...
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On January 31 2012 13:04 Xcobidoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 12:59 lichter wrote:
Will players already in Code A and S not be allowed in the tournament? Makes no sense for them to join. =/
If only code B players are allowed then this might turn into an interesting tournament of up-and-comers.
Edit: Since code B is no longer live streamed/casted. If there is no monetary reward, why would they spend their time playing it?
For shits and giggles if they don't need the Code A seed.
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How do people sign up for this?
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Canada1245 Posts
On January 31 2012 13:13 goswser wrote:
How do people sign up for this?
what he said
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Wait, so ESV no longer gives those lovely Code A spots? Darn it, twas so very fun to watch the koreans "duke it out" so to speak.
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Not sure what all the poor KSL/ESV comments are about.
You could say that about any organization when any new tournament pops up.
Anyways, this is a great way for Code B players to showcase their talents a bit more and make it easier to qualify. I love the idea.
This only becomes a problem for the KSL/ESV (or anyone else for that matter) if they are forced to broadcast at the same time (which is a possibility).
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On January 31 2012 13:17 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Wait, so ESV no longer gives those lovely Code A spots? Darn it, twas so very fun to watch the koreans "duke it out" so to speak.
They stopped giving them out in response to the matchfixing that occurred last year.
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Totalbiscuit and dApollo casting Korean pros? My favorite caster duo casting Korean pros? Hell yes!
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Awesome! We get to watch even more koreans play sc2 :D
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On January 31 2012 13:17 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Wait, so ESV no longer gives those lovely Code A spots? Darn it, twas so very fun to watch the koreans "duke it out" so to speak.
We still run those tournies man, we just have a bigger cash prize than last year and no code A slot.
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Who to talk to about getting players signed up for this T_T.
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Don't do the "poor ESV" thing. We are doing fine. Also foreigner tournament invites are worth more then Code A spots to Koreans (71 players per season already have Code A/S). 
More competition is good for everyone!
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Interesting. This should really help expose the foreign community to the newest stars and ladder gosus of the Korean scene. I wish something like this could be done for all the servers. Hopefully many foreigners participate.
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I hope the quality of ESV and Ksl doesnt drop. I will continue to watch both, and will watch this new weekly aswell - hopefully overall it maintains its entertainment value.
Jw, any chance of rep release for EWM?
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First impression:
Not a fan, but real lack of info, sooo..
imho, why? and going back to lack of info what controls do they have in place so that the match fixing prob is fixed...assuming that is what stopped ESV
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Nooo.. ESV
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On January 31 2012 13:17 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Wait, so ESV no longer gives those lovely Code A spots? Darn it, twas so very fun to watch the koreans "duke it out" so to speak.
They are still duking it out. Not sure why people think they aren't. Outside of the GSL, ESV still probably the best regularly-run tournament as far as quality of games.
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This article is still too vague. How long until we get details about he offline tournament? How many players? WHEN and WHERE will the offline tournament be held? I also want more details that prevent current Code A/S players from participating.
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Should've added one map that at least isn't fixed spawn positions imo. (Assuming they're using GSL Antiga). Entombed Valley / Calm before the Storm instead of Dual Sight would make an awesome map pool.
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Let me get this straight...
GOM thinks having a weekly tournament with a potential Code A spot prize is a bad idea, so they take it away, and then establish a weekly tournament with a Code A spot prize. With one word in the title changed, and syndicated by a TotalBiscuit incorporated as opposed to ESV.
Someone help me understand.
edit: After reading Diamond's thoughts, it does seem to make sense for them to go in this direction. I still don't understand GOM though.
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Well atleast some really good casters!!! and more sc2 is always good
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What's the requirements for the team to actually be "legit"?
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On January 31 2012 13:13 goswser wrote:
How do people sign up for this?
It's first open to Foreign Players living in Korea, and then open to Korean players on Korean pro-teams (The major pro teams that is).
After that it's first come-first serve to players in Korea.
tl;dr You have to be in Korea.
It should also be noted that Mr. Bitter and RotterdaM will be joining in on the casting as well. (Casters are subject to change if scheduling conflicts arise)
As far as I've been informed, players currently in Code S/Code A will not be competing.
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as long as they don't allow GSL players to participate, I think this is a great idea.
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On January 31 2012 14:26 VirgilSC2 wrote:It's first open to Foreign Players living in Korea, and then open to Korean players on Korean pro-teams (The major pro teams that is). After that it's first come-first serve to players in Korea. tl;dr You have to be in Korea.
still doesn't explain how/where to signup etc, so hope something more specific is out soon..
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United States7481 Posts
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On January 31 2012 14:28 cArn- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 14:26 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 31 2012 13:13 goswser wrote:
How do people sign up for this? It's first open to Foreign Players living in Korea, and then open to Korean players on Korean pro-teams (The major pro teams that is). After that it's first come-first serve to players in Korea. tl;dr You have to be in Korea. still doesn't explain how/where to signup etc, so hope something more specific is out soon..
I'm honestly not sure how/where sign-ups, but if you'd like to add me on Skype (VirgilSC2) I can get you in touch with the man in charge.
That goes for anyone currently in Korea, I'm not sure how he went about contacting players/teams but I'd be happy to help.
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On January 31 2012 14:23 tsuxiit wrote:
Let me get this straight...
GOM thinks having a weekly tournament with a potential Code A spot prize is a bad idea, so they take it away, and then establish a weekly tournament with a Code A spot prize. With one word in the title changed, and syndicated by a TotalBiscuit incorporated as opposed to ESV.
Someone help me understand.
edit: After reading Diamond's thoughts, it does seem to make sense for them to go in this direction. I still don't understand GOM though.
The nice thing about the ESV weekly having a Code A seed was that it gave players another chance to get into Code A, something that's very difficult to do. However, the ESV weekly wasn't originally created with that purpose in mind, it was just a deal that came about after they started doing it. ESV decided they didn't want to offer a Code A seed after the Byun / Coca incident because of the complications it causes. Thus, Gom decided to make a new qualifier tournament solely for the purpose of earning a Code A seed.
Don't really see what's so hard to understand -- again, as long as they don't overlap in broadcasting time, it shouldn't really have a big effect on the KSL / ESV weekly, though we'll see. Having a Code A seed up for grabs is exciting, but that's a lot of players and a lot of games to go through for one seed, so I don't think I'll watch much of it, perhaps towards the finals.
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Russian Federation228 Posts
What organization stands behind this "EWM" thing? GOMTV?
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On January 31 2012 14:32 dormer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 14:23 tsuxiit wrote:
Let me get this straight...
GOM thinks having a weekly tournament with a potential Code A spot prize is a bad idea, so they take it away, and then establish a weekly tournament with a Code A spot prize. With one word in the title changed, and syndicated by a TotalBiscuit incorporated as opposed to ESV.
Someone help me understand.
edit: After reading Diamond's thoughts, it does seem to make sense for them to go in this direction. I still don't understand GOM though.
The nice thing about the ESV weekly having a Code A seed was that it gave players another chance to get into Code A, something that's very difficult to do. However, the ESV weekly wasn't originally created with that purpose in mind, it was just a deal that came about after they started doing it. ESV decided they didn't want to offer a Code A seed after the Byun / Coca incident because of the complications it causes. Thus, Gom decided to make a new qualifier tournament solely for the purpose of earning a Code A seed. Don't really see what's so hard to understand -- again, as long as they don't overlap in broadcasting time, it shouldn't really have a big effect on the KSL / ESV weekly, though we'll see. Having a Code A seed up for grabs is exciting, but that's a lot of players and a lot of games to go through for one seed, so I don't think I'll watch much of it, perhaps towards the finals.
I'm currently discussing broadcasting times with the casters involved. I have a fair amount of freedom thanks to the fact that it's going to be cast from replays (due to time constraints). I've already solidified that it won't be cast during the KSL or the ESV Korean Weekly because a) I don't want to compete with either tournament, they're both fantastic and I love helping them in any way that I can and b) The KSL is at an inconvenient time in the morning as it is (because it's live from Korea) and the Korean Weekly is at a bad time for European viewers (whom I've been asked to accommodate as well as North American viewers)
On January 31 2012 14:35 sunnata wrote:
What organization stands behind this "EWM" thing? GOMTV?
The current sponsors I'm aware of include GOMTV, TwitchTV and NaDaMall. Blizzard is involved in some fashion as well.
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Why is ESV brought up in this thread? This is about a new weekly tournament in Korea and gives non-code A/S players a change to get in to code A. I think not accepting players already in code A/S in the tourney will prevent match fixing.
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To avoid people "losing for there friends" a rule should be put in place that if you have a spot in the GSL at the time of the tournament you should not be able to participate in the event. Simple as that.
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Isn't this just a harder version of the regular qualifiers?
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More bitterdam and more koreans. Sweet.
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On January 31 2012 14:55 Psi-Kick wrote:Is this the signup website? http://ewm.kr/
That would be the Korean website for the tournament, yes. However, there is no way to register for the tournament there as far as I'm aware.
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On January 31 2012 15:03 VirgilSC2 wrote:That would be the Korean website for the tournament, yes. However, there is no way to register for the tournament there as far as I'm aware.
Actually according to google translate to sign up you need to email ewmkr@naver.com the following details:
1. Participant Name: James Brown
2. Participants Date of Birth: 01/07/1991
3. Battle.net, ID and code number of participants (Korea server): LovelyJames, 1234
4. Race participants (after applying changes to species not hasilsu): Zerg
5. Participant contact information (cell phone): 010-1235-1235
6. Part of the participants (the game listed short-lived, non-partisan office if you filled out lie): team OOO
Google Trans Link
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Oh god, more code A seeds...............
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On January 31 2012 15:04 Psi-Kick wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 15:03 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 31 2012 14:55 Psi-Kick wrote:Is this the signup website? http://ewm.kr/ That would be the Korean website for the tournament, yes. However, there is no way to register for the tournament there as far as I'm aware. Actually according to google translate to sign up you need to email ewmkr@naver.com the following details: 1. Participant Name: James Brown 2. Participants Date of Birth: 01/07/1991 3. Battle.net ID and Friend Code (Korea server): LovelyJames .123 4. Race Played by the Participant: Zerg 5. Participant contact information (cell phone): 010-1235-1235 6. Team Status of the Participant: Team XXXX (or Teamless)
Yes, I was aware that was the route to take
I didn't know it was on the website though. I would like to caution all foreign players before doing this to be aware that you must be living in Korea to participate in this tournament.
I think it should also be added to the OP that it was in-part Diamond's decision to not continue the Code A seed for the ESV Korean Weekly, and that therefore this might be GOM saying "but we liked that idea, so we're going to do it anyway!"
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On January 31 2012 14:23 tsuxiit wrote:
Let me get this straight...
GOM thinks having a weekly tournament with a potential Code A spot prize is a bad idea, so they take it away, and then establish a weekly tournament with a Code A spot prize. With one word in the title changed, and syndicated by a TotalBiscuit incorporated as opposed to ESV.
Someone help me understand.
edit: After reading Diamond's thoughts, it does seem to make sense for them to go in this direction. I still don't understand GOM though.
The difference is the other event (ESV) had a weekly cash prize as well (incentive for current Code A/S players to compete). This has no cash prize and is essentially just a qualifier for Code A.
Code A + cash leads to match fixing. Pure qualifier has no such problems. Which is why GOM would be ok with this.
And the point of this event is to give more exposure to Code B players as well as make the qualification process a little easier. It is also considerably better for foreigners trying to qualify for Code A because the majority of the event is online.
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It is cool that dApollo and TB are doing this.
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On January 31 2012 15:00 fourColo wrote:
Isn't this just a harder version of the regular qualifiers?
Yes. But it is primarily online and takes place more often. It may be harder, but you have more chances. It makes it easier for foreigners and players that should be in Code A/S but are stuck in Code B because of the current qualification system.
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In B4 someone plays on behalf of another player online so that they get the qualification... Thats the only scandal that can happen next right?
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I think it's cool that they're doing this, but if they want to produce content solely out of Code A qualifiers, why do they rarely stream the actual Code A qualifier?
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Cool, should be fun. Hope the casting times aren't too bad for europe. Good luck!
On January 31 2012 15:38 Vul wrote:
I think it's cool that they're doing this, but if they want to produce content solely out of Code A qualifiers, why do they rarely stream the actual Code A qualifier?
There's A LOT of pressure for code A qualifiers and GOMTV feels they don't want to add on more by streaming it, though I wouldn't mind replaycasts
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GOM took up a junior partner and give them some token reward. When the concept proven popular, drop the partner like a rock and copy the concept wholesale.
Typical GOM.
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is it just me or are they trying to find a way to push foreigners into code A without the hard road of code B? dont get me wrong im all for foreigners in the gsl but the reason the top koreans are there and are at tht skill level is because they have ran that gauntlet and only the strong survive. i mean how many western players have we seen seeded in only to drop out first round?
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On January 31 2012 15:41 Primadog wrote:
GOM took up a junior partner and give them some token reward. When the concept proven popular, drop the partner like a rock and copy the concept wholesale.
Typical GOM.
Drop the hostility and read Diamond's posts in this thread
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On January 31 2012 15:41 Primadog wrote:
GOM took up a junior partner and give them some token reward. When the concept proven popular, drop the partner like a rock and copy the concept wholesale.
Typical GOM.
...We are still partnered with the GSL, there is many areas of partnerships (such as promotional) and Code A is just not one part of it. I did not even opt to try and apply for a Code A slot (or know if GSL would have provided it) as is. After the CoCa and Byun incident I thought a lot and came to the conclusion having a GSL Code A (or even Code S for that matter) slot was actually not a good long term direction for the Korean Weekly...
From an ESFI interview with ESVDiamond after the ASUS ROG Partnership.
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Canada1637 Posts
On January 31 2012 15:40 Zeroxk wrote:Cool, should be fun. Hope the casting times aren't too bad for europe. Good luck! Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 15:38 Vul wrote:
I think it's cool that they're doing this, but if they want to produce content solely out of Code A qualifiers, why do they rarely stream the actual Code A qualifier? There's A LOT of pressure for code A qualifiers and GOMTV feels they don't want to add on more by streaming it, though I wouldn't mind replaycasts
Well, its not like they won't be under pressure when they do qualify and have to win?
Nothing wrong with them having pressure while trying to qualify, IMO this complicated things, but hey, more content is always good, and if it can be more flexible so foreigners and some Koreans like PuMa who travel a lot can qualify, then hell yeah. Much better than just random seeds like arguably they've historically done.
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So if Bitter and Rotterdam join what happened to Moletrap?
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On January 31 2012 12:50 Baffels wrote:
Did not expect this. Oh well, more content is for the best I guess.
I just don't get it. Why set up a brand new tournament when KSL and ESV are already established? Weird.
I suppose if this tournament is only for Code B players this could be spectacular and I love the idea.
I dont understand either. KSL is pretty popular and a good tournament. Why create a new one when you can give it to them and give the tournament a bigger stake, which is exchange gives it more importance to players and to spectators(more ppl will watch). I really think, even though more content is usually better, that it would have been better to give it to the current weekly tournaments.
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On January 31 2012 16:19 nakedsurfer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 12:50 Baffels wrote:
Did not expect this. Oh well, more content is for the best I guess.
I just don't get it. Why set up a brand new tournament when KSL and ESV are already established? Weird.
I suppose if this tournament is only for Code B players this could be spectacular and I love the idea. I dont understand either. KSL is pretty popular and a good tournament. Why create a new one when you can give it to them and give the tournament a bigger stake, which is exchange gives it more importance to players and to spectators(more ppl will watch). I really think, even though more content is usually better, that it would have been better to give it to the current weekly tournaments.
The reason it was set-up this way as opposed to giving it to the KSL stems from the fact that the KSL doesn't currently have lee-way for any players outside the current 8 team structure, and further-more teams also frequently field players that are currently in Code A/S
With the ESV Korean Weekly, after the CoCa/ByuN incident, Diamond made the executive decision to not apply for a Code A slot come 2012.
GOM (and the other parties involved), having seen the results/popularity the Code A spot brought to the Korean Weekly decided to take the idea and run with it along-side the Korean Weekly.
On January 31 2012 16:07 devPLEASE wrote:
So if Bitter and Rotterdam join what happened to Moletrap?
Considering I was asked to contact casters (specifically outside of Korea), I'm fairly certain Moletrap was never involved in casting this. The broadcast times we're looking at will not favor anyone in Korea, and it would be incredibly inconvenient for a caster located in Korea to broadcast to a time that suits both European and North American viewers.
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Looking forward alot to watching this!
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Cool, another tournament to watch, gonne be exciting too see top(?) foreigners and up&coming Koreans duke it out!!
I love both TB and Apollo as casters, but do they know enough about the Korean pro/up&coming scene? Im not sure, even Bitter and Rotti?
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Well, I think this is too much. We already have the KSL and ESV, which I don't see this surpassing. Of course "more content is good", but I just hope this doesn't steal any viewers from either KSL or ESV.
Also, I REALLY dislike the name. Resembles the Korean Weekly far too much.
But anywho, gl hf to you guys.
EDIT: The guy above me makes a good point, do TB and Apollo have enough knowledge about the upcomming Korean scene? We all know that orb and Diamond put a ton of work into making sure they know their players, and they've "been working" on that knowledge, adding on, ever since the first Weekly.
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I hate map roster instead of map choice.
Seing the same map every bo3 get boring pretty quickly.
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On January 31 2012 15:41 Primadog wrote:
GOM took up a junior partner and give them some token reward. When the concept proven popular, drop the partner like a rock and copy the concept wholesale.
Typical GOM.
You are about 50% correct.
I get the feeling that Gom may have bigger ambition that if this tournament runs well (btw, this one seems to be a more serious tournament with offline competition and Blizzard involved), they may change the code A qualifier format to this kind of weekly tournament to make code B player more exposed.
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On January 31 2012 17:22 Testuser wrote:
Well, I think this is too much. We already have the KSL and ESV, which I don't see this surpassing. Of course "more content is good", but I just hope this doesn't steal any viewers from either KSL or ESV.
Also, I REALLY dislike the name. Resembles the Korean Weekly far too much.
But anywho, gl hf to you guys.
EDIT: The guy above me makes a good point, do TB and Apollo have enough knowledge about the upcomming Korean scene? We all know that orb and Diamond put a ton of work into making sure they know their players, and they've "been working" on that knowledge, adding on, ever since the first Weekly.
Time permitting, after I receive a roster for the upcoming weeks event I'm going to start preparing small dossiers on players who's information I know/is available to find.
It's not a perfect system, but hopefully it will get the job done.
Frankly, there just aren't a lot of casters outside the GSL that keep close enough tabs on the developing Korean players. No matter who we chose, we would most likely have run into this issue.
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On January 31 2012 15:40 Zeroxk wrote:Cool, should be fun. Hope the casting times aren't too bad for europe. Good luck! Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 15:38 Vul wrote:
I think it's cool that they're doing this, but if they want to produce content solely out of Code A qualifiers, why do they rarely stream the actual Code A qualifier? There's A LOT of pressure for code A qualifiers and GOMTV feels they don't want to add on more by streaming it, though I wouldn't mind replaycasts
To be honest the whole "There's A LOT of pressure for code A qualifiers and GOMTV feels they don't want to add on more by streaming it" is a big joke. What is better. Player failing to qualify for Code A cause he fail the pressure or Player failing his first game after qualifying for code A due to the same pressure and becoming a big embarrassment for the team? (yeah i know the embarrassment part is blowing it up out of proportion but still.)
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On January 31 2012 17:47 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 15:40 Zeroxk wrote:Cool, should be fun. Hope the casting times aren't too bad for europe. Good luck! On January 31 2012 15:38 Vul wrote:
I think it's cool that they're doing this, but if they want to produce content solely out of Code A qualifiers, why do they rarely stream the actual Code A qualifier? There's A LOT of pressure for code A qualifiers and GOMTV feels they don't want to add on more by streaming it, though I wouldn't mind replaycasts To be honest the whole "There's A LOT of pressure for code A qualifiers and GOMTV feels they don't want to add on more by streaming it" is a big joke. What is better. Player failing to qualify for Code A cause he fail the pressure or Player failing his first game after qualifying for code A due to the same pressure and becoming a big embarrassment for the team? (yeah i know the embarrassment part is blowing it up out of proportion but still.)
Most koreans that went thought it said they never wanted to go back due to the pressure and how it felt being there. I dont get why you would add increased pressure on it when pretty much every code a qualifier interview says they hope to never have to qualify again.
If these players fail to qualify for code a they have to wait 2-3 months now to be able to compete in any real tournement again.
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That's pure speculation but except Khaldor/Moletrap, I don't think any gom caster gives a close look to the korean scene. And about the korean on mid-tier team, I doubt that a foreign caster has hear a lot about them so a good combo like TB/dAppolo or Bitterdam is perfectly fine, and really nice for them.
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I don't like how priority is given to team members, it would have been a good way to promote yet unkown players to the already established teams.
edit: not saying that they should prioritize unkown players, just go according to bnet rank.
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On January 31 2012 18:13 JustPassingBy wrote:
I don't like how priority is given to team members, it would have been a good way to promote yet unkown players to the already established teams.
edit: not saying that they should prioritize unkown players, just go according to bnet rank.
Most team members are already high GM and Masters players already.
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On January 31 2012 18:26 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 18:13 JustPassingBy wrote:
I don't like how priority is given to team members, it would have been a good way to promote yet unkown players to the already established teams.
edit: not saying that they should prioritize unkown players, just go according to bnet rank. Most team members are already high GM and Masters players already.
see? that's another point, that rule is somewhat superflous already.
it just makes somebody who climbs his way all to the top of the korean ladder lose his spot because somebody from an established team below him wants to participate.
on the other hand, players in teams do have a disadvantage because they cannot ladder all day.
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as long as they box out people who already have spots this sounds fantastic.
I imagine they will.
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Hope this doesn't clash with the KSL, although I wouldn't trade watching the all kill format KSL team league with any daily SC2 tourney. Or the normal KSL for that matter, better players involved.
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That's a good start, however to get a Code A spot this way you need to 1) win a 64 player tournament 2) win an offline tournament (likely at least 8 players). This is still a chance, but you would not really bet on it given that in Code B you "just" need to win one of the many brackets of 32 players (actually, much less nowadays - half of the spots in the bracket are empty).
What I would like to see is Code B being developed to a longer-term tournament, with Up&Down matches between Code B and Code A. In this scenario the Code B "regular season" (for Code B only players) could be conducted online; and GOM can delegate streaming/casting of this tournament to ESW/ESV/KSL/whomever. In this case Up&Down matches would be held between Code B winners + Code A loosers + seeds/invites.
I think that this system would provide much more opportunities to Code B players, and better chances to qualify for Code A.
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So did I get the ESV/ESW situation correct:
- ESV did a weekly tournament to give the skilled korean players something to do outside of GSL. They had a cash prize to attract the players.
- GOMTV and ESV decided that it'd be cool to add a code-A spot as well, to spice it up further.
- Coca scandal made them realise that it's not a good idea to hand out code-A spot when GSL players are in the tourney.
- Now ESV has to either a) drop the GSL players from the tourney b) drop the code-A spot.
- ESV want to keep the GSL players, so they drop the code-A spot and keep (even increase?) the cash price.
- GOM liked the idea of weekly tournaments giving a code-A spot, so they open a weekly on their own, doing the b) alternative: shutting out GSL players, but keep the code-A spot.
If they send them in NA/EU times (ie, EU evening/night, NA (early) afternoon i guess), which doesnt collide with the other weekly tournys as i understand, everything seems fine, and it is just more content for us spectators.
Did I get it right?
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On January 31 2012 19:44 Cascade wrote:So did I get the ESV/ESW situation correct: - ESV did a weekly tournament to give the skilled korean players something to do outside of GSL. They had a cash prize to attract the players. - GOMTV and ESV decided that it'd be cool to add a code-A spot as well, to spice it up further. - Coca scandal made them realise that it's not a good idea to hand out code-A spot when GSL players are in the tourney. - Now ESV has to either a) drop the GSL players from the tourney b) drop the code-A spot. - ESV want to keep the GSL players, so they drop the code-A spot and keep (even increase?) the cash price. - GOM liked the idea of weekly tournaments giving a code-A spot, so they open a weekly on their own, doing the b) alternative: shutting out GSL players, but keep the code-A spot. If they send them in NA/EU times (ie, EU evening/night, NA (early) afternoon i guess), which doesnt collide with the other weekly tournys as i understand, everything seems fine, and it is just more content for us spectators. Did I get it right?
As far as I know, yes -- thank you :-p Makes much more sense when summed up like this, seemed like a lot of people hadn't been following what ESV was doing with the weekly and were confused by this announcement.
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Very nice, looking forward to seeing some foreigners play, and the casters are great as well.
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seems nice, the only critique I have in the prioritization with foreign players. Foreigners have already so many ways to get into code a (not that it's easy for them, but easier than for players in korea without a team).
other than that, seems like a good idea, maybe I'll watch it some time
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On January 31 2012 15:34 FXOpen wrote:
In B4 someone plays on behalf of another player online so that they get the qualification... Thats the only scandal that can happen next right?
Do you really think any of the Code S players would do this for their friends at the risk of getting caught after seeing what happened with coca/byun and getting banned from the GSL? ( Or whatever would happen, it would be bad though )
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There (indirectly) is a monetary reward since Code A Ro48 gives ₩ 400,000 / $ 355 / € 260 (Source)
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yea how to sign up got 5days to figure this out =D
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Winner of the weekly match gets ₩100,000
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The people saying that having a code a spot means that people will match fix are just not thinking clearly. It's not like a Code A spot has some special, moral inhibition reducing quality that can't be simply addressed. Sounds like no code A or S players are going to be playing. ESV's loss, but frankly, they took it away from the players and showed no trust to them because of what two people did. It was a pretty sloppy move and it was inevitable that someone would make use of GOMs willingness to saturate other high level tournaments with a GSL seed prize pool.
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On January 31 2012 23:45 Lumi wrote:
The people saying that having a code a spot means that people will match fix are just not thinking clearly. It's not like a Code A spot has some special, moral inhibition reducing quality that can't be simply addressed. Sounds like no code A or S players are going to be playing. ESV's loss, but frankly, they took it away from the players and showed no trust to them because of what two people did. It was a pretty sloppy move and it was inevitable that someone would make use of GOMs willingness to saturate other high level tournaments with a GSL seed prize pool.
The problem came from the fact that sometimes non-GSL players would run into friends/teammates in Code A/S and at that point, it becomes a very real possibility (i.e. CoCa/Byun) that the player in the GSL doesn't play his hardest because he wants his friend/teammate to have a shot at the GSL spot.
It essentially came down to Diamond choosing between the Code A spot and only allowing non-GSL players or allowing any Korean player and no Code A spot. He chose the latter so GOMTV decided to take the other option and run their own tournament for it.
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On January 31 2012 15:41 Primadog wrote:
GOM took up a junior partner and give them some token reward. When the concept proven popular, drop the partner like a rock and copy the concept wholesale.
Typical GOM.
You could at least have the elegance to edit that post.
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Conflict of interest isn't the only thing that would make people "match fix". So I'm not really sure where the argument lies. Only that it would be more obvious to try and deduce that one player did not try as hard as he is legally required to try for a match to be valid competition. I had to go there to make the point that when you say someone doesn't try as hard it's a pretty arbitrary judgement and you would need to set up a ton of stuff to be consistent with enforcing any rules created around this.
Say a player like MKP drops out of Code A, he plays here and meets his team mate. He could lose and let the teammate go through because he will most likely get through the actual qualifiers anyway.
Doesn't have to be team mates it can be friends too like Coca/Byun, ex teammates.
I really think you can even make the argument that if it's two unknown players from the same team it's possible that they won't try their hardest. Most simple way would be they meet in a round (say semi finals), they can know race x or person x will be in the next round (final) and when one guy is really bad against that race and the other is really good. You can set it up so that the player that will most likely get the spot if he goes through is the one that actually goes through.
When there is an incentive to cheat, a small percentage of people always will.
However my post serves no real point since I'm not sure what the relevance is to this league and such. Just wanted to put this perspective out there. I wonder if there could become any concrete rules for the future. Tagging on the idea of a governing body in the future, what those rules could entail.
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PLEASE GIVE IT A DECENT NAME! Like Road to code A etc,.. with all these weeklies around its so hard to tell tournaments apart especially if you give such a generic name to it.
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Agree, the concept is good, the name is horrible. xD
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On January 31 2012 15:34 FXOpen wrote:
In B4 someone plays on behalf of another player online so that they get the qualification... Thats the only scandal that can happen next right?
The final qualification is an offline tournament, so the only scandal I foresee is Carmac showing up as Dimaga. Then we'll be left with a situation in which the tournament organizers have to shoot one of the "Dimaga's" while both of them try to convince everyone that the other is a fake.
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hehe i wouldn't worry about esvs korean weekly, still an epic map pool and coverage and casters and they did fine before they had this code a spot. But the code a spot was really nice to get more popular nevertheless.
nice to see a new tournament over there though ^^. The bad side is... soon 24/7 tournaments uggghh.
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I think Apollo and TB are my second favorite duo. They are really good together.
Damn, not seeing IdrA in that list above me.
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GomTV should reward the effort that ESV and KSL do for the korea scene allowing them to give a Code A seed.
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nice player list!
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On February 01 2012 03:33 -Strider- wrote:
GomTV should reward the effort that ESV and KSL do for the korea scene allowing them to give a Code A seed.
where have you been? ESV had a code A seed reward and cancelled it because of match fixing.
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Oh nice, player list.
Looks like HuK is not giving up on sc2 as some doomsayers are predicting, no Idra though.
Now we get to see what ZeNEXCutter is made of.
And ST-Legend? Is it wrong of me to hope he loses so he keeps observing the gsl games?
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On February 01 2012 03:34 y0su wrote:nice player list! edit: Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:33 -Strider- wrote:
GomTV should reward the effort that ESV and KSL do for the korea scene allowing them to give a Code A seed. where have you been? ESV had a code A seed reward and cancelled it because of match fixing.
So that's why...
thank you for clarifying!
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Seeing the list and format I get the feeling that this tournament already has the potential to replace ESV/KSL if they are going to broadcast live replays during NA/EU time.
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On February 01 2012 03:30 Koshi wrote:
I think Apollo and TB are my second favorite duo. They are really good together.
Damn, not seeing IdrA in that list above me.
Apollo is FAR FAR better with TLO.
It would have been nice to see TLO and Apollo rather than TB and Apollo.
If we're getting what should be high level games, why don't we get high level commentary?
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On February 01 2012 04:08 eleaf wrote:Seeing the list and format I get the feeling that this tournament already has the potential to replace ESV/KSL if they are going to broadcast live replays during NA/EU time.
KSL is in EU time and ESV is in US time. Neither of the tournements are played in the timespan that would define US/EU friendly time
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Brackets from leveltory via google translate Here!
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so no more ESV Weekly free code A/
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Nice. Jinro and Sase fighting! So now that we have a bracket I guess it'll happen soon. Any time frame?
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On February 01 2012 05:24 Vadrigar wrote:
Nice. Jinro and Sase fighting! So now that we have a bracket I guess it'll happen soon. Any time frame?
First week's matches are going to be played 2/5
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Anyone have any info on ThePainTrain? Is that AiCytoplasm?
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On February 01 2012 05:43 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 05:24 Vadrigar wrote:
Nice. Jinro and Sase fighting! So now that we have a bracket I guess it'll happen soon. Any time frame? First week's matches are going to be played 2/5
sorry is that 5th of February or 2 of May?
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On February 01 2012 06:00 aderum wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 05:43 VirgilSC2 wrote:On February 01 2012 05:24 Vadrigar wrote:
Nice. Jinro and Sase fighting! So now that we have a bracket I guess it'll happen soon. Any time frame? First week's matches are going to be played 2/5 sorry is that 5th of February or 2 of May?
Fifth of February
On February 01 2012 05:55 TylerThaCreator wrote:
Anyone have any info on ThePainTrain? Is that AiCytoplasm?
Yes, that's AiCytoplasm
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On February 01 2012 04:08 eleaf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:04 VirgilSC2 wrote:Just thought everyone should know they've posted a player list for the first week. It might still be subject to change but: Seeing the list and format I get the feeling that this tournament already has the potential to replace ESV/KSL if they are going to broadcast live replays during NA/EU time.
I don't know about replace, but ESV will have to step up his cast.
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That's a sick lineup. And to think that it's consisted of players that are not in Code A or S... If you hold a tournament in Korea, at least you are guaranteed a collection of high quality games simply because of a deep player pool.
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From looking at above those I think there's 2 more pages possibly, since it says A, B and then it says a group and b group on the brackets.
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On February 01 2012 03:04 VirgilSC2 wrote:Just thought everyone should know they've posted a player list for the first week. It might still be subject to change but: + Show Spoiler +
My money is on losira or puma to win this, but I think that huk and maybe haypro, based on his mlg performance, will do really well.
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Noblesse, Dream or Losira for the win imo.
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Sucks about the ESV change, hopefully this is a good alternative
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There is no ESV change I think xD
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On February 01 2012 00:34 careohx wrote:
PLEASE GIVE IT A DECENT NAME! Like Road to code A etc,.. with all these weeklies around its so hard to tell tournaments apart especially if you give such a generic name to it.
I agree. I like the concept you guys are going for but the name is a poor choice.
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I agree the name is disappointing.
But you know you are doing shit right when the biggest tournament out there copies you wholesale!
Either way, for those STILL going "poor ESV" read my posts on page 2 (might be 3), we r fine.
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cool, hope to see foreigners make it in this way
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wait why is HuK in this but not IdrA? TT
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Hmm, possibly more opportunities for foreigners to attain Code A? Sounds good to me.
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Does anybody else really think it's not fair that you HAVE to be on a team? I understand being in Korea for lag and everything, but finding a team isn't always easy.
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On February 01 2012 08:49 reikai wrote:
Does anybody else really think it's not fair that you HAVE to be on a team? I understand being in Korea for lag and everything, but finding a team isn't always easy.
You don't have to be on a team to play.
For example  cArn, currently teamless, will be playing in the first week's event.
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Pretty sweet tournament, loving more Korean content too, there was hardly any about a year ago apart from Code S and Code A, now look how far we have come.
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On February 01 2012 08:49 reikai wrote:
Does anybody else really think it's not fair that you HAVE to be on a team? I understand being in Korea for lag and everything, but finding a team isn't always easy.
I think the list of priorities goes like this: Foreigner in Korea > Korean on a major team > Other Koreans. If less then 64 Foreigner living in Korea sign-up, Code-B Koreans on major teams are allowed to participatate, if thats not enough the tournament will be open to everyone in Korea.
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Everything seems great but 500+ masters? That 500 really means nothing...(im assuming they are referring to profile points)
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I like both the casters and the idea of more content. Seems great all around
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Well, let's see the average level of the players when draws available, but I don't understand wy no more code A seed for the ESV korean weekly and now one for this...
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On February 01 2012 19:12 SolidMustard wrote:
Well, let's see the average level of the players when draws available, but I don't understand wy no more code A seed for the ESV korean weekly and now one for this...
There never was a code A spot in the KW technically. The only season there was one it was not given because of the cocabyun thing.
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On February 01 2012 19:27 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 19:12 SolidMustard wrote:
Well, let's see the average level of the players when draws available, but I don't understand wy no more code A seed for the ESV korean weekly and now one for this... There never was a code A spot in the KW technically. The only season there was one it was not given because of the cocabyun thing.
IIRC It was given to STSquirtle after he won the Monthly Finals
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On February 01 2012 19:27 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 19:12 SolidMustard wrote:
Well, let's see the average level of the players when draws available, but I don't understand wy no more code A seed for the ESV korean weekly and now one for this... There never was a code A spot in the KW technically. The only season there was one it was not given because of the cocabyun thing.
No. They only gave it at the Finals events. Squirtle won his Code A spot through that. CoCa/Byun were under the impression that there was one for the upcoming Finals, but there wasn't any.
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On February 01 2012 13:10 Hamzilla wrote:
Everything seems great but 500+ masters? That 500 really means nothing...(im assuming they are referring to profile points)
The 500 is referring to ladder points.
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I love the ESV. Dont know why we want another organiser for our code A spot?
I thought ESV did almost anything right. Somebody tell me what they did wrong?
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On February 02 2012 07:34 Tiazi wrote:I love the ESV. Dont know why we want another organiser for our code A spot? I thought ESV did almost anything right. Somebody tell me what they did wrong?
They gave Code A seeds away but invited Code A/Code S players.
Either way, Diamond, the guy behind the ESV tournaments has made a conscious decision not to give out Code A seeds this year, and much rather give out seeds to foreign tournaments. The next GP winner will be getting a seed to Assembly.
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On February 02 2012 07:50 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 07:34 Tiazi wrote:I love the ESV. Dont know why we want another organiser for our code A spot? I thought ESV did almost anything right. Somebody tell me what they did wrong? They gave Code A seeds away but invited Code A/Code S players.
How is that solely ESV's fault? GOM certainly knew how the tournament worked.
I am not trying to say that GOM is not being loyal or is acting unfairly, and I am not aware of their reasons for the creation of yet another tournament, but to claim that ESV deserved to be dropped in favour of another tournament would be unreasonable.
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On February 02 2012 23:37 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 07:50 pdd wrote:On February 02 2012 07:34 Tiazi wrote:I love the ESV. Dont know why we want another organiser for our code A spot? I thought ESV did almost anything right. Somebody tell me what they did wrong? They gave Code A seeds away but invited Code A/Code S players. How is that solely ESV's fault? GOM certainly knew how the tournament worked. I am not trying to say that GOM is not being loyal or is acting unfairly, and I am not aware of their reasons for the creation of yet another tournament, but to claim that ESV deserved to be dropped in favour of another tournament would be unreasonable.
The point he's trying to make is that after the CoCa/ByuN incident, Diamond elected to keep his tournament format, rather than keep the Code A slot prize. It was an either/or situation, and GOM picked up the other side of the coin and turned it into this.
Just an update for you guys, due to scheduling conflicts (because this was much sooner that I'd planned) Monday-Tuesday, Thursday-Saturday will be commentated by the amazing crew over at IMBAtv
Monday and Tuesday we will broadcast select matches from the Round of 64
Wednesday will broadcast select matches from the Round of 32
Thursday will broadcast the Round of 16
Friday will broadcast the from the Round of 8 all the way up to and including the Finals.
Saturday (and possibly Sunday) we will try to broadcast games from the Round of 64/Round of 32 that were not previously shown.
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On February 03 2012 03:07 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 23:37 WigglingSquid wrote:On February 02 2012 07:50 pdd wrote:On February 02 2012 07:34 Tiazi wrote:I love the ESV. Dont know why we want another organiser for our code A spot? I thought ESV did almost anything right. Somebody tell me what they did wrong? They gave Code A seeds away but invited Code A/Code S players. How is that solely ESV's fault? GOM certainly knew how the tournament worked. I am not trying to say that GOM is not being loyal or is acting unfairly, and I am not aware of their reasons for the creation of yet another tournament, but to claim that ESV deserved to be dropped in favour of another tournament would be unreasonable. The point he's trying to make is that after the CoCa/ByuN incident, Diamond elected to keep his tournament format, rather than keep the Code A slot prize. It was an either/or situation, and GOM picked up the other side of the coin and turned it into this.
It might behoove you to put in the OP that Diamond consciously decided to let go of the Code A seed, not that GOM took it from him, or you're going to continue answering the same six questions over and over again.
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On February 03 2012 09:31 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 03:07 VirgilSC2 wrote:On February 02 2012 23:37 WigglingSquid wrote:On February 02 2012 07:50 pdd wrote:On February 02 2012 07:34 Tiazi wrote:I love the ESV. Dont know why we want another organiser for our code A spot? I thought ESV did almost anything right. Somebody tell me what they did wrong? They gave Code A seeds away but invited Code A/Code S players. How is that solely ESV's fault? GOM certainly knew how the tournament worked. I am not trying to say that GOM is not being loyal or is acting unfairly, and I am not aware of their reasons for the creation of yet another tournament, but to claim that ESV deserved to be dropped in favour of another tournament would be unreasonable. The point he's trying to make is that after the CoCa/ByuN incident, Diamond elected to keep his tournament format, rather than keep the Code A slot prize. It was an either/or situation, and GOM picked up the other side of the coin and turned it into this. It might behoove you to put in the OP that Diamond consciously decided to let go of the Code A seed, not that GOM took it from him, or you're going to continue answering the same six questions over and over again.
I've PM'd Antoine about it already, but thanks for the suggestion
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On February 03 2012 09:33 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 09:31 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:On February 03 2012 03:07 VirgilSC2 wrote:On February 02 2012 23:37 WigglingSquid wrote:On February 02 2012 07:50 pdd wrote:On February 02 2012 07:34 Tiazi wrote:I love the ESV. Dont know why we want another organiser for our code A spot? I thought ESV did almost anything right. Somebody tell me what they did wrong? They gave Code A seeds away but invited Code A/Code S players. How is that solely ESV's fault? GOM certainly knew how the tournament worked. I am not trying to say that GOM is not being loyal or is acting unfairly, and I am not aware of their reasons for the creation of yet another tournament, but to claim that ESV deserved to be dropped in favour of another tournament would be unreasonable. The point he's trying to make is that after the CoCa/ByuN incident, Diamond elected to keep his tournament format, rather than keep the Code A slot prize. It was an either/or situation, and GOM picked up the other side of the coin and turned it into this. It might behoove you to put in the OP that Diamond consciously decided to let go of the Code A seed, not that GOM took it from him, or you're going to continue answering the same six questions over and over again. I've PM'd Antoine about it already, but thanks for the suggestion
Totally thought you made the OP, sorry.
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On February 01 2012 23:45 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 19:27 MrCon wrote:On February 01 2012 19:12 SolidMustard wrote:
Well, let's see the average level of the players when draws available, but I don't understand wy no more code A seed for the ESV korean weekly and now one for this... There never was a code A spot in the KW technically. The only season there was one it was not given because of the cocabyun thing. IIRC It was given to STSquirtle after he won the Monthly Finals
Ho yeah, I forgot that.
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On February 03 2012 09:57 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 23:45 VirgilSC2 wrote:On February 01 2012 19:27 MrCon wrote:On February 01 2012 19:12 SolidMustard wrote:
Well, let's see the average level of the players when draws available, but I don't understand wy no more code A seed for the ESV korean weekly and now one for this... There never was a code A spot in the KW technically. The only season there was one it was not given because of the cocabyun thing. IIRC It was given to STSquirtle after he won the Monthly Finals Ho yeah, I forgot that.
Just to confirm, Squirtle did receive his Code A spot. The CoCa/Byun incident happened in a season with no Code A.
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Here is the working link to the full bracket.
http://ewm.kr/366
Losira is probably the favorite to win
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Just so everyone's aware, there will be a thread coming up for Week #1 as soon as all the necessary artwork is finished, so be prepared for HYPE!
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Sorry for bumping old thread but I haven't seen results from season 2 ewm for the Code A spot in gsl season 3. I'm a huge Coca fan and was wondering who won this or when it will be broadcasted. Wiki says the finals should have been played yesterday.
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yeah, would really like to know what happened in the season 2 final
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I'm reliably informed the English broadcast of the finals should be on Friday =)
Keep an eye out on the calendar to be sure, it's definitely coming.
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Gogo Coca! We need you back in the GSL!
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On May 23 2012 17:56 Asha` wrote:
I'm reliably informed the English broadcast of the finals should be on Friday =)
Keep an eye out on the calendar to be sure, it's definitely coming.
Thank you Asha!
Man, I really hope CoCa gets the seed.
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hope tear gets it! :D lol no terrans TT
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